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3 weeks ago
I think there is a big issue here, 'political' can refer to either how a deck is played, or how it is built. If a hub is added, it should be used to mark decks that feature many cards that enable you to add substance to a deal, usually through interaction that is selective in some way (targeted removal is more political than a board wipe) or some kind of gift/buff (if you help only 1 opponent, it is political). Flumph is a Political card, while Howling Mine is a Group Hug card. Back to Basics is a Group Slug card, Mistbind Clique is a Political card. Politics is restricted to multiplayer, but many players do not design their decks to be able to hold things other than attacks/winning over an opponent's head. These are obviously the non-Political decks, and I feel like they are the majority at this point.
I don't think Group Hug or Group Slug are decks that would share ground with a Politics hub, which would be for decks that specifically help/harm selectively, such that that help/harm serves as leverage to affect other players.
Politics as a strategy of deck building (rather than playing) tends to be more casual than competitive, in part because other competitive players are much harder to deceive/manipulate, and tend to see through your plans much more. I have some decks that would probably add the Hub if it was added, obviously Tobias Andrion, Political Mastermind would get it, note that it actively favours effects that are 'known entities' in a lot of cases, where the idea is more to hold a stick (or rarely carrot) over people's heads, such as various Punisher effects and stuff like War Tax. War Tax and War Cadence are pretty good examples of Political cards, they can help you or someone else, it depends on when you use them, and the effect can also scale up, such that they can be impossible to pay for opponents if you dump all your mana into them, so they stay relevant. War Tax is a Politics card, Propaganda is not. Interaction that is stapled to a permanent (especially non-ETB stuff, but ETB stuff can be blinked) is top tier Poltics IMHO, but something like AEtherize can easily be political, because you can use it vs any opponent, even if they aren't swinging at you, and it only will hurt the attacking opponent.
TLDR: Politics effects are generally 'carrots' or 'sticks', and they tend to derive value from how much leverage they can exert on an opponent, and they almost never are symmetrical. I think that seems clear/concise, and I don't know what other hub that fits under atm.
1 month ago
Into the Roil, Druid's Deliverance and Sundering Growth seems to be a good fit for sideboard, I think counters should be sorted with Metallic Rebuke and Disallow in the main board, however the cost effectiveness of AEtherize and Aetherspouts dont really fit
1 month ago
Druid's Deliverance can stop you from taking damage and increase your clue tokens Sundering Growth can get rid of enchantments or artifacts and increase clue tokens Anticognition&Cancel are counters AEtherize&Aetherspouts&Into the Roil will send boards back to the owners hand
1 month ago
You might take a look at Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time, both are potentially very strong on a budget. Two cards I like that are budget atm I think are Aetherspouts and AEtherize, you might not need both but one is a pretty nasty surprise for an aggro deck. Abjure is a nice counter for Talrand decks, to counter a spell and sacrifice a replaceable Drake is pretty nice. Saw it Coming and Wizard's Retort are also good counters to look at. I love seeing Talrand decks built on a budget, Talrand is a very solid budget option, and lots of fun to play!
2 months ago
Scrib Nibblers Siphon Insight Wizened Snitches Expel from Orazca Cathartic Adept Vantress Gargoyle Mind Flayer Sage of the Beyond Krydle of Baldur's Gate Consuming Aberration Dazzling Sphinx Palladium Myr Ruin Crab Dark Ritual Negate Dimir Charm Infernal Grasp Aetherspouts AEtherize Winds of Rebuke Stolen Goods Extract from Darkness Necromantic Selection Talent of the Telepath Ravenform Pyxis of Pandemonium Commander's Sphere Hedron Archive Firemind Vessel Sisay's Ring Ur-Golem's Eye
4 months ago
Oh! I do recommend Grand Abolisher for the list, My Isshin list came out of a Ghired list (I got tired of the list and Isshin seemed to work better for what I wanted to do) that kept getting blown away by AEtherize and Aetherspouts like cards, counterspells keeping a finisher off, etc. Grand abolisher can keep those in check.
4 months ago
Thanks, I'm glad you found my suggestions helpful! 8 crabs would be ideal but I'm guessing it's 6 for budget purposes. I think you'll find the main board Dismember to be useful in almost every matchup, but you can always move it back to the sideboard if you dislike it. This looks solid for the budget, but you'll still have to play test and adjust accordingly for your meta.
BTW, when I was listing all the counterspells in my first post, I meant you could use whichever seemed best to you, not all of them :P It will probably be more useful to have a diverse range of cards in your sideboard, since a SB is essentially 15 cards to help you deal with certain matchups that your usual 60 struggles against. Jamming 6 counters might not be the most optimal choice, I was thinking more along the lines of 2-3 of one particular counter, sorry for my miscommunication lol. In most of your games, I'm assuming your 4 mainboard counters will get the job done, and then you can just bring in a pair of targeted counters like, say, 2 Essence Scatter for creature decks or 2 Mystical Dispute for other blue decks. This is going to depend entirely on your meta though. Three other cards caught my eye when I was looking at blue mill lists:
Merfolk Secretkeeper: If your budget can't allow 8 crabs, this is a good replacement for some number.
A few cards you can consider for your sideboard:
Aether Gust: Great against green and/or red decks
AEtherize: Could really save you against aggro/beatdown decks
Rebuild: Good against artifact based decks (e.g., affinity, hammer, Urza).
That's about all I have for now. I imagine you'll continue to adjust as you get spins in with this. Let us know if it's at all competitive.
4 months ago
Hi Anabasis! Since you asked for some feedback on the list prior to committing, I'll comment here since I can link cards easily. Let's begin with the archetype you are going for here, how it plays out with Braids, Conjurer Adept, how to make it run a bit smoothly. The archetype for this deck is "group hug," which is a bit of a misunderstood archetype that has gotten unnecessary bad rep in the past. Basically, a group hug deck built properly is one that has effects which benefit everyone, but benefit the player the most. The idea is that there is little incentive to target the group hug player because they are giving free stuff, and the free stuff nonetheless keeps every player more competitive, which takes more pressure off of the group hug player, who is then ahead in the value race. The most iconic group hug commander, for example, is Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis. This commander lets every player either draw an extra card or play an extra land each end step, whereas the Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis player gets to do both. Oftentimes what makes game uneven are some players encountering ramp or draw problems, and this evens things out and keeps them competitive. Usually players won't target Kynaios and Tiro because it is benefitting them, and because it is not inherently threatening. Nonetheless, the Kynaios player is ahead in the value race, and usually plans to win with some sort of alternate win condition like Approach of the Second Sun. Braids, Conjurer Adept plays out similarly, in that every player benefits from Braids, but unlike your opponents your deck is built to exploit it, and you will have scarier things to cheat out than they will. The difference with this deck, however, and this is the critical part, is that your deck will be inherently threatenting. People will soon figure out that you are dropping scary things and have plenty of incentive to kill braids. What's worse is that the way Braids works inherently gives them added incentive to do so. The scariest words on the card are "at the beginning of each player's upkeep" are ones you will come to loathe if you don't build this right. These words mean that if you play Braids normally, each of your opponents will get to use Braids before you do. This is bad, because after three opponents have used it, the third could kill Braids before you ever get to use her. This is the nightmare that should ever be in your mind when planning or playing this deck, but if you are mindful of it, it can be overcome. So let's think first about Braids' abilities and how to best protect and exploit her to your benefit over your opponents.'
The first is to do lots and lots of what blue does best, namely, countering spells. Whereas Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis are a pillowfort group hug deck, you should think of your deck as a control group hug deck. Forget the crappy boardwipes like AEtherize and Aetherspouts. You probably included them because you've sensed they won't hit your board, but you'll find that smart players never attack with their most important pieces, and that they won't generally do what you want them to. Spectral Deluge and Whelming Wave are probably fine, but leave the rest out- you're better off just stopping things from happening to begin with than wiping a board that will probably be in your favor. Counterspells are good here for two reasons. First and foremost, they protect Braids from removal, which will be their most important duty. Beyond that, since you're getting a free permanent every turn, you have the luxury of holding your mana open, so you might as well have stuff to do with it! I'd think about playing up to ten different counterspells along with premium blue targeted removal like Reality Shift, Ravenform, etc.
Since the weakness of Braids is that our opponents' get to use her first if we cast her at sorcery speed, we might as well rewrite the script and try to play her at instant speed where feasible. Leyline of Anticipation and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir can help with this. You'll enjoy much more playing Braids on your opponent's end step and getting to use her first than the reverse. This will also aid and abet your counterspell game, in that if you don't need to counter anything you can cast other spells on your opponent's end step rather than wasting your mana. I see that you included these spells, but I wanted to make sure that you realize how critical they are to your game, and that if you can find more of this effect it will be worthwhile to include it.
A third implication is that, in the true spirit of group hug, you should get to use Braids more than your opponents. It's only fair after all! Therefore cards that copy triggered abilities like Strionic Resonator are at a premium here. Braids is far better if you get to use her twice and your opponents only get to use her once.
You also need to rework your ramp section entirely. The general rule of commanders and ramp applies here, namely, that you mostly want to play ramp that can get your commander out a turn early. This means one and two mana rocks primarily, unless it can get extra lands out. Dreamstone Hedron and Hedron Archive are traps and will make you cry. I know the theory is that you can play them for free with Braids, but keep in mind that they will never help you cast Braids. Also, they tend to be removal targets, and you'd probably be putting out something threatening over a mana rock anyway. Caged Sun is definitely worth it though because of the overall value, and because it will be worth it even to double your mana for one turn in order to cast a massive x-spell. Armillary Sphere is just bad here. Importantly, it is not a ramp spell since it doesn't put anything onto the battlefield. When people do play it, it is just for color fixing in multi-colored decks, and you don't need that. It'd be better to just play more card draw so that you can draw into your land drops normally. Sol Ring, Mind Stone, and Thought Vessel are fine, but you want to add Wayfarer's Bauble, Sky Diamond, and Coldsteel Heart at least. Sword of the Animist and Dowsing Dagger Flip are also fabulously repeatable ramp that always makes me smile. Dreamscape Artist is also a sleeper blue card that can repeatedly ramp lands onto the battlefield which is often overlooked. You'll be far happy with these efficient options that can either get Braids out early or get her out on time with mana to spare for counterspells than with the big splashy cards.
Also, as far as card draw goes, I wouldn't take group hug to far here. You are already giving your opponents free permanents, and you are in the best card draw color and don't need their help in that. Personally I'd recommend skipping Kami of the Crescent Moon and the like entirely, and play more personal draw spells like Gadwick, the Wizened and Blue Sun's Zenith. Seriously. One advantage of Braids is that they will play spells for free and run out of stuff to cast, whereas you can keep drawing into it. If you help them out too much, you're just hurting yourself in the long run. I'd honestly replace all the reciprocal draw spells with spells which draw you cards. The only one that might be ok is Well of Ideas, but that one is benefiting you more and you first, so it fits the bill.
Some more cautions. While casting free haymakers is the reason for this deck, don't overdo it. You want to be able to afford to hard cast stuff sometimes, both in case Braids dies or just to amass more of a board presence. The power curve in magic has been getting lower in recent years, and there are many devastating spells that cost four and five mana, so don't sleep on those. Your average cmc here is 4.5, and while some high cmc haymakers are what you want, you also want lots of castable creatures.
I'm also not sure why we are playing the "creatures become every creature type" cards. Is this for better board wiping with Whelming Wave or synergy with Spawning Kraken? In my experience these synergies won't work out enough to justify the card slots, which might be better filled with counterspells or other creatures. Honestly, if I were to pick another theme to support this archetype I'd pick blink, since you doubling ETB counters can be great, but that's just me. Blinking is the sort of thing where you don't need to do a lot of it for it to be good.
A few other card choice matters. Reflections of Littjara only works on cast, so it won't copy creatures played with Braids. Definitely consider this before including a five mana enchantment that doesn't affect the board right away. Also, yes, absolutely play High Tide. It is so worth it in a mono-blue deck. Yes, Frozen Aether is amazing here. this is absolutely how to play group hug. Your opponents get free stuff, but it is only fair that you get to use your stuff first. Personally, I feel like Ominous Seas is one of the most overrated commander cards in recent years. It seems like you get a great rate on a vanilla 8/8, but often the enchantment will get blown up first, and it takes forever to come out. That's just my opinion thought.
One final thought, don't prejudice yourself too much in favor of sea monsters over against, say, eldrazi. I know the chase eldrazi are expensive, but Artisan of Kozilek is under one dollar in real world money and a wonderful thing to play with Braids, and to make copies of with your copy spells, and to give haste to with Crashing Drawbridge. You will have so much fun.
I think this will be a great deck and you have a lot of good ideas going here. I'd just refocus it a bit and then wreak some havoc!