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Into the Roil
Kicker [symbol:1 (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. If Into the Roil was kicked, draw a card.
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Into the Roil Discussion
1 day ago
Aaerys No problem!
Yes definitely keep the artifact synergy, honestly if you don't like the combo approach and want to go for the more interaction routes with fun things to play (like playing with other people's deck ;3) than I would suggest more protection, counterspells, artifact synergy, card draw, as well as interaction.
Here is a list of some additional cards that I found useful and within the $20 or less range.
These cards will make opponents less likely to hit you, or will at least slow them down enough for you to interact with them.
A couple more useful counters, best one I like to use for Sen Triplets is cards like Remand, Muddle (because the 2 cmc transmute comes in clutch), and Arcane Denial as it gives more options to choose from their hand.
Shimmer Myr and Raff Capashen are honestly auto include in my opinion, giving the ability to flash in your commander and not waiting to wait one whole turn before her upkeep effect is amazing, it also allows us to hold up mana to interact with other players before deciding what we can do. The curve is also great since Shimmer Myr is 3 cmc and Raff is 4 cmc, we can hold mana for our counterspells and interactions and if the coast is clear flash in Sen. Trophy Mage is for the redundancy that you have more than a likely chance of tutoring your Shimmer Myr or Crystal Shard (Shard always makes sure that your opponent will be reluctant to tap out and thus preventing them to cast more creature spells). Voltaic Key is there just for more fun shenanigans, I always like having them in these type of artifact decks. Academy Ruins is a card I would highly recommend investing into, it saves your artifacts, it allows recursion, and if the case where Sen dies, you won't have to consistently pay the tax for it with this card on the field.
On another note Paradox Engine is a powerful card, it allows you to gain extreme amount of value, hence the reason you would want to include more mana rocks into the deck. I added Aetherflux into list in the case you want to close out a game, since you are running Isochron Scepter already, adding in Dramatic Reversal will be your win con and also allows you to net infinite mana and play your opponents hand if you so would choose. The playstyle is all there for you to choose ;3
Some choice cards I like to use, Notion Thief is there for them really sneaky plays when there is a mass Windfall or if someone taps out for a burst draw. Sphinx is a high power card engine. The time warp is there for just pure value.
Some notable cards are like Snap, which untaps your land and bounces the creature back to their hand, pure value if its your turn next as now you will be able to cast that creature as well! Capsize is also a deadly card, as you can bounce their land and then play the land you bounced on your turn with Sen on the field, buyback is also killer (I have people scooped many times when I used this trick 1v1). Tower of Magistrate is really interesting against other people playing with artifacts (This auto de-quips voltron commanders!). A lot of these spells can also be copied on to Isochron Scepter making them extremely useful for you to control your opponent and allowing them what spells they can play, bouncing the spells you want to play from their deck, and removing the cards you don't like.
One more card which is a great mana rock.
Hopefully this gives you a better idea of a Control Sen Triplets shell, I think you can tell that this was one of my favorite decks before I retired her ;P
2 weeks ago
thegigibeast here are some of my thoughts on the matter, dunno if it helps!
Wait... Myojin of Seeing Winds is tier 5? That is the best Omni-Show deck in the format, being surprisingly powerful with proper gameplay, running as a controling sort of deck before dropping Omniscience and going all Super-Saiyan and drawing the deck and casting it all for free. It uses it because when you get Omni out you can cast your commander, then Chain of Vapor, Into the Roil, Snap, and Blink of an Eye it to hand and draw into more bounce and card draw to draw more bounce to bounce Myojin and keep storming off until it hits Enter the Infinite and wins. Surprisingly a really sweet list. Tier 4?
Also, Ragnar is Tier 5? That is the second best commander for creature-based bant stax decks, very close to Derevi. I mean, protecting the other creatures you run is really important, and Mother of Runes and Sylvan Safekeeper can't do a ton against sweepers like Austere Command, so Ragnar really helps the list. Tier 3 for me.
Ayesha Tanaka is a reasonably powerful commander for Azorius Stax, stopping many cards such as Basalt Monolith's untap, Grim Monolith's untap, Dramatic Reversal, Strionic Resonator, Aetherflux Reservoir, etc. Tier 4.
Dosan the Falling Leaf is a reasonably well-powered elf-ball commander, helping out stopping almost any interaction on combo-turn. It really is good, despite not being an elf, it is low-costed enough to be cast on turn two from a turn one elf, and easily go off turn three given little hate. Tier 3.
In tier 4... well there are a lot I disagree with:
Adun Oakenshield is a powerful midrange-combo commander, being good with Hermit Druid lines in a way most aren't. The line is a simple one, using Morselhoarder, Devoted Druid, Dread Return, Necrotic Ooze, and Walking Ballista, yet also is surprisingly powerful with the ability to use the commander to rebuild if the combo is disrupted, using Krosan Reclamation to bring cards back into the deck immediately and Riftsweeper to shuffle back in the Reclamation, the list also can use Adun to bring back key cards to attempt to recombo out the very next turn, given sufficient mana. Backup wincon in Survival of the Fittest/Protean Hulk/Apprentice Necromancer in case you can't access the druid. Tier 3 (Similar to Xira Arien in terms of as a card and power level).
Anafenza, the Foremost has been already discussed, and is much, much more powerful as a stax/hatebears commander than a load of currently much higher rated lists. Tier 2-3?
Dragonlord Dromoka is a commander that always surprises me as a really impressive commander for stax. It even has a relatively effective wincon in beatdown. Being able to stop interaction on your turn, laying out a thicker field of stax, every following turn, while also having a commander that is difficult to interact with (dependent on interaction) is really much stronger than people expect when they see the 6 cmc. Tier 3.
Eladamri, Lord of Leaves is another good option for elfball, leaving extremely little interaction. It can be targetted itself because it was errated, but it is a cheap, effective wall against targetted removal, and so should be considered more often in comparison to other lists. Tier 3 is my pick.
Heidar, Rimewind Master I have only seen once, and it didn't do amazingly, but after I looked at the list was a reasonable Dramatic Reversal Isochron Scepter list that uses all snow lands except for an Ancient Tomb using Scrying Sheets really well. The commander isn't amazing, but the interaction hitting nearly anything while being able to synergize with the countermagic suite the deck runs really seems good in the grindier games, in which it disables most other decks' combos for a turn or so if it sticks. Tier 3?
Linvala, Keeper of Silence is one of the better mono-white stax lists, along with Hokori, Dust Drinker, I would imagine they are better in the current metagame than most would expect. Tier 3 seems reasonable for both.
Masako the Humorless should be tier 5. I don't think this ability is useful at all in cEDH, and when we have Atogatog in tier 5, a commander that could replace many old Scions and Najeelas in the C-Zone and no one would notice in tier 1-2, this card shouldn't be considered tier 4.
I will write up lists for these if you want, but I think most speak for themselves.
1 month ago
Cool deck idea. Manabase seems quite solid Useful cards for casting many sorceries in a row could be Gelectrode or Guttersnipe to kill some creatures or drain some additional life. Maybe some additional deck-fetching: Preordain? Into the Roil is a card i find quite solid, too: Get rid of a card and, if needed, kick it to draw a card Also the new card Mission Briefing could serve as a low-budget snapcaster alternative
1 month ago
Hmm... Rescue is a serious suggestion. The reason why I am not automatically adding it is because I've tried to include unsummon spells that do more than just return the creature/permanent. Dream Stalker is a good example of this. Most of the time I would rather pay an extra mana at sorcery speed in order to get a 1/5 creature out of the unsummon spell. It is a good, versatile, suggestion though. After playing more with my group, I may find that the kicker cost of Into the Roil is usually too high and I may want to opt for Rescue as a cheaper alternative. Thank you!
1 month ago
- Retrofitter Foundry
- Whirler Rogue
- Echo Storm
- Maverick Thopterist
- Psychosis Crawler
- Scuttling Doom Engine
- Hellkite Igniter
- Into the Roil
- Enchanter's Bane
- Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor
- Endless Atlas
- Thirst for Knowledge
- Reverse Engineer
- Prismatic Lens
- Vessel of Endless Rest
- Dreamstone Hedron
- Daretti, Scrap Savant
- Goblin Welder
- Trading Post
- The Antiquities War
- Padeem, Consul of Innovation
- Mizzium Transreliquat
- Kuldotha Forgemaster
- Spine of Ish Sah
- Mechanized Production
- Clock of Omens
- Sai, Master Thopterist
- Whir of Invention
- Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain
- Shimmer Myr
- Grand Architect
- Storm the Vault
1 month ago
I'll start with my background: I'm a low level points grinder. I play Storm/Jeskai Control in Modern, and Miracles/2 Chains in Legacy. I'm gonna tell you what I don't like in your deck, why I don't like it, then I'll tell you what I would put in your deck, and why I would. We all play magic differently, so I hope you at least consider some of the changes, and overall I wish you luck in your building!
Mana Leak: I would not play 4 of. Honestly, I'm not sure I would play more than 1, and absolutely no more than 2. This card is only good early game, and you're a pseudo-control deck, which means you will go long sometimes. For me, it's down to 1 here
Echoing Truth: This card just doesn't deserve a main board slot, in my opinion. In loses you card parity, as opposed to repeal, which will cantrip. I'd move to have 2 total in the side.
Scalding Tarn: You don't need this many fetches, even if you are playing Jace, considering you play 4 Serum Visions and 4 Opt. You need more lands than anything, so petition to make this pair of fetches into a pair of Islands.
Into the Roil: This card seems like an odd fit. At best, it's a Cryptic that can't counter and can't tap the team. I would take this out completely.
Pact of Negation: You already play 3 -cost spells in the main, in Disrupting Shoal. This card (for the most part) prevents you from holding up counter magic on your next turn, or playing a spell on your next turn. You already play a ton of fair counterspells, this pair is overkill. I'd take 'em out.
Vedalken Shackles: I think this is more of a meta call, but I'm basing my evaluation of these cards in the vacuum that is the national meta of modern - which means that K-Command and Bolt probably are too good to play this card. But, again, I believe this is a meta call. As per the continuity of this comment, I would be taking these out.
Ensnaring Bridge: I know this is in your maybeboard, but I'm gonna squash this right now. This card is awful in a deck that wants 7 cards in hand at all times. Unless Pox / 8 Rack is the best deck in your meta, I wouldn't even consider this.
Okay, now to what I would add:
1 Vendilion Clique & 2 Wizard's Retort: These 3 go into the main to help out your Disrupting Shoals - you have few three drops without these. Playing a total of 11 Wizards makes a pair of Wizard's Retort pretty playable. For those reasons, these come in.
1 Repeal & 1 Unsubstantiate: Both of these cards are nuts. Unsub does double duty, being both a counterspell and an unsummon (and don't forget, you can use both of these cards on your own Snapcaster Mage to avoid a bolt or just flashback another card), while Repeal cantrips and sets your opponent back one turn. Try both of these out in the main, you won't be disappointed.
2/2 Psionic Blast: 2 in the Main, 2 in the Side. There's a reason that Jeskai Control is the best control deck in Modern right now - it can become a burn deck pretty easily. This is your answer to that. The two damage is negligible - considering you don't play shocks, it seems your life total will be pretty safe in the early game. As for playing a pair in the side, it's just a continuation of the burn gameplan. Thanks Durkle for throwing this out there.
Dismember could find a spot in the side, along with Surgical, but I would only take out some number of your Relic of Progenitus to do so. Maybe 2 Relic, 1 Surgical, 1 Dismember? It seems pretty meta dependent, but thought I'd bring it up. Okay, that's all I got for you. Hope I've been of some use. Cheers!