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As an additional cost to cast Abjure, sacrifice a blue permanent.
Counter target spell.
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3 months ago
4 months ago
These are the cards above 10 dollars and what to include instead:
- Exploration can be changed for Burgeoning, but Exploration is more explosive since it lets you also cast a one mana creature on turn one and attack with it on turn two, drawing a card.
- Temporal Manipulation can be changed for Part the Waterveil
- Time Warp is very importart, I would recommend you buying it (I'm saving for Capture of Jingzhou since 5 mana take a turn are crucial for going off), but if you are short on money Temporal Trespass may do the trick
- Gaea's Cradle can be replaced with Boreal Druid. Don't use Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, since it is too slow. Remember to take out Crop Rotation
- Flusterstorm can be replaced with some other cheap counterspell, maybe Mana Leak, Disdainful Stroke or Swan Song (beware: the bird token blocking your flying creatures is very annoying)
- Force of Will can be replaced with Foil, specially since you will have more basics by taking out fetches. Abjure is another good option.
- Chrome Mox, Mana Crypt and Mana Crypt: fast mana is really important for this deck, maybe Elvish Spirit Guide can replace one, also try Druids' Repository and Nature's Will (specially if there is stax in your meta.
Regarding the mana base, just take of all the fetches, shocks and Cavern of Souls (its not that important) and replace them with duals lands that come into place untapped, like Reflecting Pool and Exotic Orchard (this is very important). If you don't find lands that come into play untapped, just play basics, a high basic land count its actually a good thing since Elvish Pioneer on turn one is one of your more explosive hands (it lets you cast Edric on turn two and attack with a creature).
This is a very "all in" version of the deck. Maybe a budget friendly version could try to be more resilient and run cards like Coastal Piracy, Bident of Thassa and more ways of protecting your creatures from wrath effects, Wrap in Vigor, Chasm Skulker, Hangarback Walker, Whisperwood Elemental, Foundry of the Consuls, Faerie Conclave are just some that come to mind.
This deck started as a budget one, and it did very well then :) it does improve with expensive cards, but not as much as you would think.
Best of luck! Upload yours when you build it and let me know of the results.
6 months ago
Looks quite solid on first glance. You run lot's of good cards and your curve and average cmc looks good. However you also run a few bad cards. Let me pitch some ideas for replacements:
Maybe try Kindred Discovery and name drake? Could be worth it and might draw an insane amount of cards.Maybe Tamiyo, the Moon Sage and target yourself with the -2 if you have lot's of drakes.Reliquary Tower and Thought Vessel because keeping 20 counters in hand is fun.
If you ever run close to milling yourself, try fitting Laboratory Maniac in as another fun wincon.If that way doesn't work you can try the opposite path and go recurring stuff with Timetwister(Budget: Day's Undoing / Time Reversal)
Refill your entire hand with Windfall.
More playable counterspells in no particular power order Abjure, Condescend, Flusterstorm(Opponents also help with storm), Logic Knot, !!!Mana Drain!!!, Memory Lapse, Mental Misstep(if your meta is running many 1cmc spells), Spell Snare, Miscalculation, Power Sink, Pact of Negation, Prohibit, Remand, Spell Siphon, Syncopate, Dissolve, maybe Unified Will. Please don't play all of them, some of the conditional ones might be VERY bad. Sometimes a Cancel is better than a cmc2 conditional that you can't cast for some reason. You know how your deck plays and what fit's in there. More here: http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Acounter+o%3Atarget+o%3Aspell+c%21u+cmc%3C%3D3&v=card&s=cname
As I said this is some ideas, some might be very bad but most should be quite good in the deck. There's so many ways to play Talrand, just keep playing lot's of spells so you keep making free drakes. Maybe even play Phyrexian Altar and or Ashnod's Altar to pitch your drakes in to pay for more counterspells..
If you ask specific questions and provide some info about your meta I'd be happy to help :)
7 months ago
Kiyomeii I agree with you somewhat on the efficiency of the reanimation spells that I have chosen for the deck, and your comment on my land choices. I'll take a second to try and explain what I've tried to accomplish.
Dance of the Dead, Animate Dead, and Necromancy are pretty hard to use multiple times because the theme with my deck, and one of the best things it can do for itself is to sacrifice my commander, Child of Alara, to wipe away the board. So these cards once they are in the graveyard can be rather tricky to efficiently return in order to continually benefit off of child. There are some incredible enchantment recursion cards out there, but some of them in my current list would require me to cast Argivian Find targeting necromancy or the like. Then casting the animation spell, which works entirely, but then if I want to do it again because I decided to cast Abjure, sacrificing child, to counter something like a Blightsteel Colossus, I'd have to go the route of casting a Noxious Revival or something else to try and do the same thing again. Plus cards like Animate Dead and Dance of the Dead have drawbacks to them. They are often susceptible to cheaper removal, thus getting rid of child in the process. It feels way more comfortable to Breath of Life child into play with no strings attached. Then my Archaeomancer just targets that and I'm off to the races. No middle man shenanigans.
Now, the reason all this is important, and why I assume that I'm going to have to do this multiple times is because child is a 6/6 and everyone at the table has 40 life (they also hate child). You only need 21 damage to win which is 4 unblocked swings with child but that all together is swinging 12 times in a row completely unblocked. That is not going to happen. The easiest way to control the board state with child is to purposefully sacrifice it. And if you have spells or abilities that sacrifice as a part of the cost, the trigger for child's death goes on the stack before I pass priority to the next player. It's why Perilous Research is probably going to be coming out, because it sacrifices on resolution. So if the spell gets countered I don't get my cards or a child trigger on the stack.
The reason Necromancy is in the deck is because there are creatures out there that have haste. Some of them are whatever like Glitterfang, but there are other creatures like Maelstrom Wanderer that are often the commander of a deck. So that player always has access to them, And it sucks when an 8 cmc, 7/5 haste, gives other creatures haste, cascade cascade creature drops in 2 big threats or a Protean Hulk and tries to kill me or the board. Necromancy can be played at instant speed, and I sacrifice at the end of turn, but I would probably do that anyways. I like to think of Necromancy as a combat trick more than anything. Maelstrom Wanderer is part of the reason I'm considering adding Comeuppance to the deck.
The other thing this deck has going for it is Maze's End and I've spent some time explaining how efficient that can be if you have the right cards in hand. Plus it's a combo that is available to 5 colors, and doesn't go away when I sacrifice child. A turn 4 Maze's End could mean I'm color fixed for the rest of the game.
I run a lot of basics because they're easier to ramp out into play. A lot of competitive land destruction targets nonbasic lands too, if that counts for anything. And there's plenty of reasons why I don't want to run a Hermit Druid 0% basic land combo deck with a hyper efficient fetches and shocks mana base.
If I ever get around to making a recording of the deck working well in a multiplayer pod, I will definitely upload it to this page to help provide insight on how I play the deck. And how I react in most situations with my experience in commander while running my list.
7 months ago
mattman856 think about it this way, if you take Child of Alara's death trigger and add it to a lot of my spells, it's almost like getting an added wrath to a lot of my spells, further locking down the board. The deck heavily relies on playing child of alara, and sending it to the graveyard, because it has to in order for the death trigger to happen. Momentous Fall + Child of Alara basically reads "Gain 6 life, draw 6 cards, destroy all nonland permanents. they can't be regenerated" which for 4 mana (technically 9 because you need child to be in play) is incredibly strong. Abjure is really funny because I'm probably countering a spell that an opponent is casting to try and disable or slow me down, and while I do that for a single blue mana, I'm also blowing up the board. The playstyle is very much "cast child, sacrifice child, reap the benefits". I tried to design the deck with the versatility of not needing permanents, hence how spell heavy it is, because of child dying as often as I need it to. The few creatures in the deck are there for their utility or to strengthen the synergy. I have two gods in the deck Xenagos, God of Revels which makes child a 12/12 haste trample commander damage that if you kill will just destroy the board, and Erebos, God of the Dead is to shut down life gain and to have a Greed effect. and the benefit of the gods is that they create an effect that I care about, and stick around even while I'm blowing up the board just about every turn.
8 months ago
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll definitely work towards some of these, budget doesn't currently allow but I will look out for them in trades for the time being. I'll have to consider the consistency of Force of Will and Abjure given the high percentage of colourless cards in this deck but these suggestions are very much appreciated.
8 months ago
Hi cool deck, if your budget permits I would streamline your permission suite into the following:
- Cryptic Command out, Force of Will in
- Cancel out, Pact of Negation in
- Scatter to the Winds out, Muddle the Mixture in
- Stoic Rebuttal out, Mana Drain/Abjure in
Generally you want to keep your permission as low cmc as possible to be able to more effectively leave the least mana open to protect your board.
9 months ago
Thanks everyone for your input!
PlattBonnayI love the idea of Bontu the Glorified, he's a bit expensive money-wise, but he is a Standard staple and the combo is hilarious so I'll consider buying him. Greater Gargadon is just amazingly OP (I would probably put in a one drop that could only help me wrath a couple times, but I also get a free 9/7? Sweet!) I'll also consider Angelic Purge for one of the 99. It's definitely sideboard worthy, in case I come up against a Avacyn, Angel of Hope deck or something.
the.beanpole Thanks for mentioning Grim Backwoods, the deck is focused around mana ramp so the 4 mana won't be a problem, and hey I get a free card. However, I don't think that the Child of Alara has to go to the graveyard for it's ability to trigger. My reasoning is that stuff like Kokusho, the Evening Star has "when put into the graveyard from play", which is the same as dying, except the graveyard bit is specified. I'll have to check with my playgroup, however.
Chandrian and cklise: thanks for the idea, but I'm planning to focus heavily on the Maze's End win con, and thus pretty much the only permanents I have are lands, my commander and things like Expedition Map and Sakura-Tribe Elder, which aren't gonna stay on the battlefield long. But still, thanks for your input!
Ohthenoises... I have no idea what's going on there, but thanks anyway!
Iron_Cube: Keldon Necropolis, is definitely usable. As i said earlier to beanpole, the deck has a shit load of Explore and Urban Evolution effects, so mana won't be a problem. Granted, the two damage will be effectively useless, with the wipe happening immediately after and the win condition not being damage related, but it's the sacrifice bit that's important. Mirrorpool isn't the best sac ability, as it can only trigger once, and is mildly expensive mana wise and has no additional effects. I would rather play Morbid Curiosity or Disciple of Bolas to get something out of the solo sac. Westvale Abbey Flip would just take too long and use up too much mana to pump out the clerics, and I don't have my one creatures to supplement Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip's diet. And I would swear the creepy kid didn't have to go to the graveyard... but I'm running lots of recursion to get back stuff like removed gates or Expedition Map so even if it does so I should be fine. Gift of Immortality would however mean that I don't have to pay the casting cost ever again, command zone or no, so it's a definite addition.
PookandPie: Thanks for going to all the trouble of getting the list of all those lands together, now I know that all you guys haven't missed anything. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Grim Backwoods and Keldon Necropolis, the entire deck is built to getting lots of land out as fast as I can, so mana shouldn't be a problem. As for copying, I would rather not turn my lands into creatures, simply because they would be that much easier to remove: I don't to lose my Izzet Guildgate to a Doom Blade lol. But yeah Phyrexian Tower and co. are too expensive for a little edh player like me lol.
Epidilius: The idea is sound, but there are instant/sorceries out there that have sac a creature as an additional cost, and thus their CMC is really low too (eg. Culling the Weak or Abjure). As for removing opponent's stuff, the commander is literally wrath on a stick that (effectively) doesn't effect me. If I were to use removal, I would probably use exile effects, cos destroy may not cut it.