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| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
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| Vanguard | Legal |
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Deep-Sea Kraken
Creature — Kraken
Deep-Sea Kraken can't be blocked.
Suspend 9— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay and exile it with nine time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost. It has haste.)
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if Deep-Sea Kraken is suspended, remove a time counter from it.
Diabeetus155 on
Jhoira of the ultimate destruction
5 months ago
grennpowerhouse thanks for commenting. Regarding your suggestions:
- There are only 3 cards with 9 cmc in my deck, that's too little for Grozoth. Besides, even if I tutor them all, I still have to cast them or suspend from scratch. Grozoth itself isn't too impactful on its own, and he requires mana to even function.
- Same with Deep-Sea Kraken. I used to play it, but unblockable Tarmogoyf isn't cutting it anymore in EDH. While it can have some impact early game, it's absolutley horrible late game. It can't help me against a stronger opponent, or even against aggro it draws on itself. I want every card I suspend to be either a boardwipe, a repeatable removal or card advantage so there is always an impact or extra value.
- Speaking of boardwipes, I don't play land wipes like Decree of Annihilation, Sway of the Stars or Worldfire on purpose, because they are too opressive. Any suspended card combined with them will win me a game in a long, painful and boring fashion. In the following games, Jhoira will become a must-kill commander and my opponents will gang up on me even if I don't have these insta-win cards. I don't want none of these things.
- Searing Wind is supposed to be a spot removal, and you don't want to play spot removal during your upkeep. Better play another boardwipe, or if you want aggro, play any eldrazi.
- Clone Legion is a nonbo with your suspended boardwipes. Additionally, your deck most likely will have low synergy with opponent's stuff and it's horrible against slow or weak creature decks. Moreover, enemies will see it miles away because of suspend and won't play their most valuable creatures. Some of them might use a boardrwipe right before you cast it, making it useless.
- Unfortunately, Apex of Power doesn't work with suspend.
- Eternal Dominion is way too risky. First of all, you deny yourself of spot removal and boardwipes for the rest of the game. Second, you limit yourself to one spell per turn which is not what EDH is about. And most of all, your deck is supposed to have the most powerful spells to begin with! Why exchange them for random spells and synergy of your enemies? Imagine you play agaist a goblin or an elf deck. Would you want to play one goblin per turn for the rest of the game? I'm not even gonna talk about technical troubles of tutoring in a foreign 100-card deck every single turn. The only one who knows the most powerful cards in a deck is the enemy, and he isn't supposed to tell you.
P.S. Eternal Dominion might actually be playable if you copy it a few times. This eliminates its biggest weakness of a one spell per turn limit. But this is not a copy spells deck unfortunately.
doc_frank_18 on
time for a clock (alaundo)
11 months ago
I recommend 35-36 lands with one of them being War Room
so remove Cyclical Evolution, remove Deep-Sea Kraken, remove Rift Sower, remove The Thirteenth Doctor, remove Tolarian Kraken, remove Rotating Fireplace....
Add Clockspinning!
doc_frank_18 on
A mill-ion
1 year ago
Get rid of Deep-Sea Kraken and put in Tasha's Hideous Laughter *list*
austintayshus on
Obeka Upkeep
2 years ago
looks fun! You might want Sphinx of the Second Sun which can help give you some upkeep-redundency in games where you just can't get in for damage with Obeka for whatever reason. Although it's a hefty casting cost at 8 mana.
In the same vein as Star Whale is Deep-Sea Kraken, one of my fav Time Spiral cards. Although I'm not sure it's better than Star Whale. I just like seeing old cards getting powered-up and remade for new sets.
Bitterblossom could also be fun in this deck if you can get more connect with Obeka and get extra upkeeps.
Lastly, Braid of Fire could be good if you want to move to a more instant/sorcery heavy strategy.
you've got a great draft here!
Licecolony on
Goaded With The Sauce
3 years ago
I really like your manifest take on Jon. Consider Dulcet Sirens. It's a clever way to mitigate risk of having those horrible creatures for yourself. I'll definitely be adding Crawlspace and Endless Whispers to my list.
Suggested removals from deck Plague Reaver. While it's a nice card to give away, the turn you play it you'll have to sacrifice Jon Irenicus to Plague Reaver's trigger regardless of which order you put the abilities onto the stack. You'd rather not lose Jon.
Gisa, Glorious Resurrector. It's something you can't give away, which means it's good when you're ahead, but not great when you're behind,. Your mileage may vary, but I think getting something more immediately impactful on the board tends to be best.
Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker. You're not running a mill strategy, you'll only be filling the graveyard of dedicate graveyard decks.
Taniwha. I love this creature and totally understand running it for the memes, but phasing triggers before your upkeep, which means that when you give it away, it'll be phased out for the first turn under your opponent, so they'll keep their lands and you won't draw a card from Jon's ability. The turn cycle has to make two full rounds before Taniwha does anything.
Tergrid, God of Fright Flip. Unlike Sheoldred, Tergrid doesn't make the opponent do either of its effects. It's another creature you don't want to give away, and Jon makes cards unsacrificeable. It just won't trigger much unless you're against a sacrifice deck.
Ensnaring Bridge. The creatures you donate will often be quite big. Ensnaring bridge will prevent them from attacking your opponents and deny you card draw.
Chromatic Lantern. It's only good if you need the mana fixing. You don't need the mana fixing. Try something like Thought Vessel or Decanter of Endless Water or Midnight Clock instead.
Assault Suit doesn't goad the creatures itself. Often they'll swing at you if possible.
Dissipation Field. Not as good as it looks. Doubles ETB triggers. Anti synergy with cards like Endless Whispers.
No Mercy Jon just has better options for this slot. If you can replace a non-creature with a creature in this deck, you usually want to.
Grave Betrayal. That's 7 mana for a card that could ruin your game by forcing you to revive bad cards you do not want.
Diplomatic Immunity. You want instant speed protection and protection from board wipes. Something like March of Swirling Mist is more versatile offensively and defensively.
Dark Ritual. I'm uncertain what you're trying to ramp into so quickly that you would need this. Maybe I'm wrong.
Countersquall. You may as well play the one mana version in An Offer You Can't Refuse.
Redirect may be bested by Narset's Reversal? That's a matter of opinion.
AEtherize risks bouncing creatures attacking other opponents such as those you've goaded but want them to keep. Try replacing this with a more versatile effect like Reins of Power or a more aggressive effect in Illusionist's Gambit.
Damnation. Jon prefers sacrifice board wipes so that your opponents keep their shit creatures.
Overall I think you could run less counter-magic in favor of more proactive effects.
Cards to Consider Creatures Generally I want to focus on adding creatures that you can give away and then steal back later to win the game.
With Jon, you often want cheap evasive creatures to give out for early card draw with his ability. Right now you have 1 two-drop creature. Throwing in a Changeling Outcast or a Slither Blade can mean you can give a creature away for cheap and still hold up mana for other things. Slither blade wouldn't die to Heartless Summoning too.
In the two-drop slot, you can run creatures that are more defensive like Baleful Strix, or give you card draw like Sygg, River Cutthroat or just more powerful creatures like Flesh Reaver which is a goaded 6/6 that can deal 12 damage a turn or Wretched Anurid. Heck, you can even add a versatile two-drop in Dimir Infiltrator which can be given away in the early game or used as a tutor in the late-game.
In the three drop slot, I think your idea of adding Steel Golem is a great one to make sure the only creatures your opponent has are the ones you're giving them. It's a brutal card. Rotting Regisaur is a card you don't mind giving away early, and can take back later to win. Phyrexian Soulgorger can be donated to an opponent as a goaded 10/10. They won't have to pay the upkeep, but that's a great body to give someone as a political tool. Cephalid Facetaker is also worth consideration though I personally don't run it.
In the four-drop slot, like you mentioned, Grid Monitor is a proactive creature counter. Abyssal Persecutor can save you from death. Archfiend of the Dross is risky but fun (it comes back to your control after the opponent dies).
In the 5-drop slot, both of the evil-eye cards are absolute ALL STARS. They work so well every game I've drawn them. They can also replace some of your weaker defenses like No Mercy and Dissipation Field
As a sidenote, I also like Deep-Sea Kraken as an unblockable 8/8 that can win you the game with homeward path.
Removal I recommend running more sacrifice-based removal since it'll mean your opponents keep the crap you give them. Things like Tergrid's Shadow or Vona's Hunger or All is Dust (one of my favorites) or Killing Wave. I also prefer Toxic Deluge to some of your other removal since it goes through hexproof. Curse of the Swine is also an exile effect that can be selective and works really well. You can also run single-target removal like Reality Shift or Pongify if you'd rather instant speed interaction. Feed the Swarm is quality. If you really don't care about cruelty, you can run Torment of Hailfire, but that card is honestly always too boring for me to want in my decks.
Card Draw Jon has access to some great card draw that most decks can't take advantage of. Fateful Handoff is a card draw spell that also donates (though does not goad). Sygg, River Cutthroat works well with evasive threats you give away (though should not be donated). Verity Circle works great with Jon's ability since it donates the creature first, and then taps it down. Teferi's Ageless Insight allows you to double your draw triggers from Jon.
Equipment Remember that you can donate creatures while they're equipped and you still control the equipment so they can't re-equip it. Pact Weapon makes the attacking creature bigger, while ensuring you can't die, and will draw you another card whenever the donated creature attacks. Dowsing Dagger Flip works effectively on evasive creature to get you ramped. Vorpal Sword is a win condition on your unblockable evasive creatures.
Goad Dulcet Sirens, Bloodthirsty Blade.
Misc Graveyard removal is king. Throw in a Scavenger Grounds. My favorite card to run is Reality Shift. Make an Avenger of Zendikar spawn a dozen Wretched Anurids. It's not GREAT, but it is always funny. Cultural Exchange is a fun time too with all your manifest and shitty creatures.
That is all. Hope it was helpful.
ladypickleton on
Oloro's Gambit
4 years ago
There are some great possibilities here I never considered and others that just remind me what is out there and need to get.
Archaeomancer's Map would be a game changer in these colors and top of my list to modify my own haha.
When initially learning to brew a deck I went for higher CMC cards but now I focus on 1-4 CMC especially when editing and taking out things that don't seem to be working. Other things on my list to use from here: Karlov of the Ghost Council Cleric Class Lone Rider Flip "don't mind this 2 drop haha" Voice of the Blessed Crested Sunmare (would be fun; probably also a target but omg if they leave it alone...) Paradise Plume (i think this would work especially well if there is a lot of overlap in the colors of your playgroup or playing 1v1)
Suggests: Bolas's Citadel (only because it's fun; it's also a huge target and the price of those cards can add up quickly) & Divinity of Pride (big hits, many lifegain) & Evil Twin or any other copy effect can be useful tactically taking out threats with it's ability but if they let you have Oloro out, you can copy it, sacrifice the real one and send it to the command zone and get double life-gain triggers. On that last note I have seen people instead of building towards pillowfort going for effects to abuse upkeep triggers ala: Paradox Haze with Golden Urn and Copy Enchantment and creatures like Deep-Sea Kraken and Indulgent Tormentor and Jhoira's Timebug and other supports like Clockspinning and can abuse it even more with Strionic Resonator or Mirrormade and similar effects. I like that idea because a lot of those pieces are useful just on their own but synergize quite well.
Good luck!! Thank you for the tag (:
wallisface on
4 years ago
9-lives i’m agreeing with shadow63 that you need more lands. Control decks need to make their land drops quickly & reliably, as they need their resources available to deal with whatever the opponent is doing. If the control deck only has enough lands in play to counter one spell, it’s super easy for their opponent to play around this and get stuff through.
I would suggest you needing 23 lands as an absolute, bare minimum. But realistically 24-25 would put you in a better position.
As a separate note, why play Ugin's Conjurant?? It’s a strictly worse Endless One… but neither really have a place in a control deck - i think you need a better finisher. Even something like Deep-Sea Kraken would serve you better
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