Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
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Metallic Rebuke Discussion
1 week ago
Charles_Grimlie, thank you for your kind words.
I mostly agree with you when it comes to Simian Spirit Guide. It's a color I don't use to begin with and it's trading cheap mana for crucial card disadvantage. Yet I feel there's more than initially meets the eye, and I'm hoping that I can do a fair job of arguing its point while still emphasizing that I agree with you.
My current view on making the deck its most optimal is by removing the alternate win-con of lethal damage and focusing solely on Infinite Mill. Not meaning to sound redundant (as I've already shared my thoughts in my description), but this can change a few things for the deck and open it up:
- I could drop the full set of Steppe Lynx. Two slots would go to creating a full set of Altar of the Brood totaling eight milling pieces, and would open up two more slots.
- With the inclusion of two more colorless artifacts, the dependence on color-specific mana eases up a bit.
- Even if Spirit Guide is in the hand and isn't being spent on a combo piece, it can be exiled to pay for any , surprising many opponents with an unexpected Remand with one open land. Additionally, it would make running 2CMC cards less stressful. I could replace Spell Pierce for Mana Leak more confidently, or even attempt Metallic Rebuke with the artifacts I run. (Same could be said for running Thirst for Knowledge in place of either Sorcery for more drawing power and chance of casting it for .)
All in all, I believe it still would be impractical, but I feel it's worth more than it would first seem. It may warrant me to playtest it a bit, but I don't know if the overall card disadvantage will be worth it at all. If it ends up working for the turn 3 Infinite Mill combo, I'll update this deck list to reflect it.
Do you have any suggestions for the sideboard? I already know hand disruption will be the death of me, so I plan on 4x Leyline of Sanctity. However, I'm not sure what I would do with the remaining slots.
3 weeks ago
The control match-up has a lot of subtleties that are important. While it's definitely a positive match-up, there's a lot of small decisions to be made. Because I don't know your background as a magic player, I'm going to start with basic concepts for the match-up, some of which you may very well already know, and go from there.
Our game plan basically remains the same.
Drop Artifacts turns 1-3
Play Improvise cards turns 3 on.
Being on the play or on the draw is going to significantly change the pace of the game due to the cost of the control opponents counter spells. For example, on the play, playing a turn 3 Maverick Thopterist is a great play. On the draw, however, it's just asking to get countered by Disallow/Void Shatter. On the draw, I usually will wait until turn 4 to play a Thopterist, even if I had the opportunity to play it turn 3, taking turn 3 to play something that is insignificant or not cast anything at all. This is because of your control opponents game plan. Ideally, they would counter our turn 3 play and then cast Glimmer of Genius turn 4. By declining to cast anything turn 3 it makes them have to decide on turn 4 between countering our play and using their mana inefficiently or letting our threat resolve and casting their Glimmer. This is just one example of how to make the game more awkward for your control opponent. Every time you cast something, it needs to be deliberate. You need to figure out your turns ahead of time and make a game plan. Don't feel too pressured to make the first move, and if they are countering your artifacts, that's a counter spell out of their hand that isn't hitting a Bastion Inventor.
Speaking of Inventor, he is your absolute best chance of winning, and the entire game revolves around resolving him. Not only will Inventor win you games, but the threat of casting him will. What I mean by this is that because of how powerful he is, your opponent must respect that they could lose the game if they are caught without a counter spell in their hand, or by tapping out. This means that as long as you have any amount of pressure, it will be risky for them to remove your creatures in your combat phase, because of the threat of playing an Inventor in your second main phase. For example, even after turn 6 when they have Torrential Gearhulk mana. You can make really "bad" attacks with servos or Thopterists without caring if they drop a Gearhulk to block, because if they do it means they tapped out and you can land an Inventor.
These are your best cards in the match-up, in order of least to most impactful:
Whir of Invention is probably the sixth best card, but you could make an argument for some other cards too. Being able to do this at the end of their turn is great. Never Whir for a vehicle in this match-up, they are not even close to being more valuable than the other artifacts in the above list. Prioritize Key to the City, then Pacification Array, then Inventor's Goggles. The first copy of each of those cards is worth more than a duplicate of any of them, unless you suspect artifact removal from your opponent, then it just depends on the game.
A quick explanation of why these artifacts are so good:
Key to the City is a work horse in this match-up. Once you have one in play, your improvise cards no longer cost a card and you can grind your opponent out of counter spells. As if that wasn't enough, it provides unblockable to Inventors.
Pacification Array makes it very hard for your opponent to touch you. With only Gearhulks (and Dynavolt Tower) as their win condition it's extremely hard to get damage in. And if you run out of improvise cards to tap your Key, Array can do that with it's ability too.
Inventor's Goggles makes all your threats hit harder and make Inventors the size of Gearhulks.
This is my general plan against control:
It depends on what your sideboard looks like and if you suspect they are bringing in more threats after board and if they are playing Dynavolt Tower. But hopefully that should give you a good idea to start with.
I've played against a lot of different control decks with this deck, ranging from rogue Jeskai Fog to Temur Dynavolt Tower and I can assure you that the control match-up is very winnable. I like the idea of Elder Deep-Fiend and I had a few copies in my sideboard at one point too, but too often there just aren't enough targets to emerge with. Dispel is absolutely fantastic and I'd make room for those if you want more to bring in (I used to run 3 side).
I hope you found this information useful, feel free to shoot any more questions my way!
4 weeks ago
I recommend splashing blue. Standard is really controlling right now, so you should be running some counter removal/counters.Disallow, Dispel, Metallic Rebuke, Negate, Void Shatter. I'd also recommend running some removal of your own, like the all powerful standard allstar Harnessed Lightning.
4 weeks ago
Ceremonious Rejection does sound great at one copy!
The reason I don't like Ballista is because it turns on a lot of removal from our opponents that normally doesn't line up very well (grasp, fatal push, shock). I could see siding in creatures like this for game 2 when they side out their removal though.
Great to hear you like the deck! I actually used to play with Gearseeker Serpent in the early versions of the deck. It was mono blue and looked something like this: Mono Blue Improvise. After that, the deck went through a bunch of changes. I didn't give up on Gearseeker Serpent though. I still played with it in an FNM and a Game Day. One of the biggest problems with it though is that it's pretty terrible to have in your opening hand and overall makes hands that include it harder to keep. With improvise decks, consistency is one of your biggest issues. Cards like Pia Nalaar are mainly in the deck to help consistency, giving you a semblance of battlefield presence and an artifact in one card.
That's a lot of jumbled info to take in, so I'll narrow it down to a few points on why the Serpent doesn't make the cut in my list.
Is it better than any of the payoffs in the current list? I believe that 10 payoffs is the right number in an improvise list, so assuming that's correct, we'd have to shave one or more of them to make room for the Serpent(s), otherwise, our draws get unbalanced and clunky. In this list, the payoffs are 4 Maverick Thopterist, 4 Bastion Inventor, and 2 Whir of Invention. IMO, Serpent is far worse than these. Thopterist provides ramp, pilots, and blockers. Inventor is already a 5/6 most of the time thanks to Inventor's Goggles and has hexproof. And Whir is a centerpiece of the deck.
Could we make room for it by taking out a piece of interaction (i.e. Metallic Rebuke or Battle at the Bridge)? Unlikely. I've liked 6 pieces of interaction, especially with the best deck (Mardu Vehicles) being so aggressive.
This deck is excellent against spot removal. Serpent is not. Think about Unlicensed Disintegration.
We already have access to unblockable with Key to the City, and you'd be surprised how few times the Serpent's ability actually feels good to use. 6-mana is a real cost.
With that said, Serpent can be awesome when it lets you double spell with an improvise card, especially with Metallic Rebuke and Battle at the Bridge. If you really want to play it, I say go for it. I would take out a Whir of Invention or the third copy of Battle at the Bridge/1st copy of Unlicensed Disintegration depending on what your list looks like.
I hope this helps! All in all, I like to play cards that I have fun playing. If you have fun with Gearseeker Serpent I definitely think it could earn a spot in your list.
4 weeks ago
Hi wujekstaszek at moment only way to protect myself form field wipe or control is by early rush and delaying the game using Pacification Array and also Metallic Rebuke countering there kill spells, also of u look at the sidebaord there a lot of answers going to the deck of I'm going against control decks or aggro, beside all these options I'm still testing the deck and taking all advice's and suggestions can grab.
1 month ago
Yeah, experimentation with local meta is a really good way of figuring out what works and what doesn't.
I will say that Merchant's Dockhand is amazingly good in pure Improvise decks. He's an early drop that can help get Metallic Rebuke ready and Herald of Anguish out earlier. And in late game, when you don't need Improvise, you can tap those Artifacts to scry. But, in a more control style deck, it's definitely weaker.
1 month ago
First of all, I like the basic structure of your deck. It looks very versatile, and nothing is more fun than denying your opponent access to as many things in their deck as possible. That being said, I think you could stream line this deck a little more to help you do that better.
(2.) Westvale Abbey Flip -- In general, control decks don't need to have a lot of creatures out. They rely on the strength of their instants and sorceries to oppress their opponent's abilities until they can drop a huge bomb creature. So, I don't think you'd ever really see 5 creatures. Don't get me wrong, Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip is certainly a game-ending, bomb creature, but I don't think you'd ever really see him come out.
(3.) Maverick Thopterist -- This one is a bit iffy, actually. He's a really good card in Improvise decks for sure, but I don't think you use Improvise enough to have him be an A-lister for you.
Say you target a creature with Lightning, but you choose to pay 0 Energy. You now have in the bank. Because you played an instant, Tower gives you . You now have and can pump it into Tower to deal 3 damage to your opponent or redirect it to a PW they control. Essentially, having Tower out means you can now use Lightning to hit players as well as creatures for 3 damage.
Because of the fact that you are doing control, you'll always have the possibility of not having enough damage output. This a good way to counteract that.
(2.) Disallow -- Being a control deck, you want as much versatility as possible. Void Shatter and Metallic Rebuke are great cards, but they can't deal with something already on board. This card can. You may want to rearrange it so that you have an even number of Disallows and Voids.
(3.) Torrential Gearhulk -- I know, I know... he's expensive. But he's an amazing card that goes really well in control. Say they cast Saheeli Rai for their combo or their own Herald of Anguish or a burn spell to your face. You can respond with Torrential, giving you a 5/6 beat stick, but grabbing a counter spell to deny them their combo piece or threat. He's very good late game which is where control decks usually want to go.
The other thing I might suggest is that some cards in your mainboard should probably be moved to sideboard to make room. These cards are great, but are probably better for specialized matches. Noxious Gearhulk, for example, is a good card but Torrential can basically accomplish the same thing just at instant speed. Noxious should be considered for matches where someone is eating your life away quicker than you can get to your wincons.
Anyway, I hope this helped. Please keep us updated on how your deck does. I love Grixis and always want to see it do well.