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Whenever a Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, put a gold counter on Dragon's Hoard.
, Remove a gold counter from Dragon's Hoard: Draw a card.
: Gain one mana of any color.
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Dragon's Hoard Discussion
2 days ago
Out: - Citadel Siege - Crucible of Fire - Dragon Breath - Dragon Fangs - Dragon Scales - Dragon Shadow - Fervent Charge - Mighty Emergence - Sarkhan's Unsealing - Triumph of Ferocity - Atarka Monument - Dragon's Hoard - Dromoka Monument - Kolaghan Monument - Ojutai Monument - Silumgar Monument - Response / Resurgence - Akoum Hellkite - Bone Dragon - Dromoka, the Eternal - Flameblast Dragon - Foe-Razer Regent - Furyborn Hellkite - Hoarding Dragon - Jugan, the Rising Star - Mana-Charged Dragon - Nicol Bolas - Shieldhide Dragon - Azorius Chancery - Gruul Turf - Izzet Boilerworks - Orzhov Basilica - Rakdos Carnarium - Simic Growth Chamber
Replacement Options - Atarka, World Render - Boneyard Scourge - Broodmate Dragon - Darigaaz Reincarnated - Dragonlord Kolaghan - Harbinger of the Hunt - Hellkite Tyrant - Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund - Kokusho, the Evening Star - Nesting Dragon - Rith, the Awakener - Ryusei, the Falling Star - Scourge of the Throne - Utvara Hellkite - Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire - Skyshroud Claim - Nissa's Pilgrimage - Farseek - Sol Ring - Smothering Tithe - Dragonspeaker Shaman - Earthquake - Commander's Sphere - Chromatic Lantern - Darksteel Ingot - Wayfarer's Bauble - Fellwar Stone - Armillary Sphere - Burnished Hart - Mirari's Wake - Curse of Opulence - Unclaimed Territory - Exotic Orchard - Mountain s, Swamp s, Forest s, Island s, Plains
2 days ago
as I'm experimenting with Dragons as well, I'll offer some tips.
first off its too top heavy. I would take out all cards you have with Hellkite in the name as they cost too much to be of use. Moonveil Dragon doesn't do enough for costing 6 mana. the only 6 drop dragon you'd want to consider is Lathliss, and then only as a 1 of, and that's because she makes free tokens when you cast a dragon. I have 1 Descent of the Dragons instead because my deck banks on Dragon Tempest and Scourge of Valkas so I want to get as many dragons entering as possible, and if I can blow up my entire board to get 4 or 5 dragon tokens, that's usually game.
speaking of Scourge of Valkas, that is a good win con if you're on the "get a lot of dragons" plan, so you want 4 of those guys, and that's the only 5 drop you should have, but you can consider Glorybringer , Stormbreath Dragon or Thundermaw Hellkite as alternate options. Mirrorwing is pretty terrible.
in my 4 drops, I only have Avaricious and Thunderbreak Regent. Avaricious is pretty good for extra draw if you're ok discarding at end of turn and Regent simply makes it hard for opponents to spot remove your stuff. Crucible is not very good at all in modern and is a card you only want in EDH dragons.
Sarkhan Fireblood is your goto card for dragons and you want 2-3 of him ideally. not 4 cause extra copies are useless. Dragon Egg is decent as a 1 of, but I actually have been liking Dragon's Hoard at 3-4 because of how helpful it is. the turn you play it you can use it for mana, or if you play a dragon after it, you can immediately draw off of it and its easy to build up multiple counters on it and then its a constant extra card every turn.
at 2 mana I like 3-4 Dragon Tempest because that's one of the main win cons, but I don't wanna see a bunch early on in lieu of creatures. I have 3 of the goblins that makes the dragons cost 1 less, but I also have Generator Servant as it gives you 2 mana plus haste to the dragon incase you don't have a Tempest. I don't think much else in mono red makes sense.
you need some 1 drops for consistency. I like Slumbering Dragon because if played early and left unchecked, he can grow large by himself, but more importantly he's a 1 drop dragon to trigger your Tempest effects late game. 4 Faithless Looting is the main thing you want. its the best draw spell red has, letting you trade extra lands for spells or extra Sarkhans or whatever. also I recommend a couple Bolts just cause its Bolt.
I'm still play testing and figuring this deck out, and trying to see whether I should splash in some green for ramp or not, but that's what I've found works best so far. if you want all the big expensive dragons, those are best for EDH.
1 week ago
Thanks to everyone that commented for the great feedback.
There are a number of cards mentioned that are already on my acquire list that I want for the deck that I just didn't have handy because they are already in my Scion/Ur-Dragon deck or others. This includes Illusionist's Bracers , Flameshadow Conjuring , Dragonmaster Outcast , Thousand-Year Elixir , Dragon Tyrant , High Market and Tel-Jilad Stylus . I should have included a 'too acquire' list.
There are some cards I cut from my first draft simply do to overall mana curve. I always build my decks too high and so I deliberately go back and reassess everything 6 CMC and up. I found this to be the case when I cut Dragon Mage , Utvara Hellkite , and Scourge of Valkas (avoiding 3 colored in the casting cost...I know, I know, it's a mono deck, but I still find away to get locked there somehow). I also did find Scourge of Valkas meeting my 'answers' need when it was tutored, but I can see @TypicalTimmy's combo as fun shenanigans, so I might need to make room for them.
As for rocks, I had trimmed both Fellwar Stone and Ruby Medallion because I went more on utility in other areas. The same sort of went for Dragon's Hoard . i'd be interested in suggestion on what to cut for any of these. I did leave both Thought Vessel and Reliquary Tower deliberately out as the deck just never puts you in that position to need them.
The honest answer on the City of Brass , Command Tower , Mana Confluence , Path of Ancestry , and Reflecting Pool is I ran out of the unhinged mountains I wanted to use and need to get more :). The command tower was an easy add as it doesn't lose much aside from being affected by anything that targets non-basic lands. The Path of Ancestry was because I wanted the advantage of the scry and then the ping lands were because I need more unhinged mountains.
I had Gamble in the deck, but cut it in favor of others. Suggestions on what to pull out for it?
Chaos Warp is in the deck.
1 week ago
Hey, Dragon Tempest , Utvara Hellkite and Dragonmaster Outcast are among the best Dragon themed cards to play. Tempest is more ways to give Dragons haste including Zirilan as well do some damage to opponent or creature when you cheat Dragons into play. Utvara should always be your first Dragon to search for with Zirilan since haste means she will create a 6/6 Dragon when she attacks. Dragonmaster is good in multiplayer Commander because he's a possible repeatable source of Dragons. Utvrara and Dragonmaster are busted with Tempest.
Consider Gamble and Chaos Warp ? They're staple red cards since their effects are not something that traditionally red has access to (unconditional tutor and enchantment removal). More two drop mana rocks are helpful for ramp since Kirilan requires a lot of mana to get going. The two drop mana rocks you play don't have to make red mana since making red mana will not be a problem with so many Mountains. The mana rocks just need to create mana for ramp and in my opinion consider a lot of mana rocks? Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone , Thought Vessel , Ruby Medallion , Dragon's Hoard , Everflowing Chalice , Prismatic Lens ? Ashnod's Altar lets you make mana by sacing a Dragon or token copy before your end step, if it's going to die anyway might as well make some mana.
Thousand-Year Elixir can also give Zirilan haste as well as untap him to potentially use his ability another time during your turn or during an opponents turn. Tel-Jilad Stylus is helpful to put a Dragon back into your library after it attacks so it's not saced EOT. Dragon Mage is a very good Dragon when it has haste because red lacks many draw options and Mage is repeatable draw each time it hits an opponent. Dragon Tyrant is good when it has haste, hitting for 12 flying/trample damage.
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
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3 weeks ago
Thanks for the suggstions Spairut . Hornet Nest and Frontier Siege are no options for me as they are green and no dragons. The only reason I included some Forest in my Manabase is Cindervines , which is currently my only idea to handle opponents enchantments. Surely not my definite solution.. I don´t need forests for the Dragon Broodmother as there are 6 lands who can produce any kind of mana for dragon spells and 4x Dragon's Hoard .
I know there are a few nice green dragon related cards, but there are more downsides than upsides in switching from a basically red manabase to R/G, when focusing on the ETB effects. In contrast, I thought about switching a bit more to B/R and replace Draconic Roar with Thoughtseize ... For ramp I tried Dragonspeaker Shaman , Dragonlord's Servant or the universal Urza's Incubator . But in the end I replaced them one after another with Dragon's Hoard , as it is a manaramp for all kinds of spells, and an additional card draw for every dragon entering the battlefield. Dragon Egg is just much more effective in this deck then Hornet Nest , as it allows to trigger etb effects two times.
My current Idea is to replace one Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip main and one Chandra, Torch of Defiance main with Metallic Mimic each. This is because I often find myself in situations were I would rather draw a dragon than a Planeswalker, and Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip was often underwhelming. Metallic Mimic would be a great 2 drop dragon with benefits for all other creatures in the deck, as there are no non-dragons.
3 weeks ago
Dragon's Hoard is a great mana rock that helps you draw extra cards throughout the game. Haven of the Spirit Dragon is another good support card here. Path of Ancestry is likewise excellent fixing that helps smooth out your draws.
Dragon's Hoard occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.02%