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Whenever a Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, put a gold counter on Dragon's Hoard.
, Remove a gold counter from Dragon's Hoard: Draw a card.
: Gain one mana of any color.
Dragon's Hoard Discussion
15 hours ago
Due to the legend rule, you do not have a chance to gain priority before you have to sacrifice the new one, meaning you cannot draw your deck, bounce everything ect. You'd have to have a Mirror Gallery type effect.
A fun consideration, could be Riptide Shapeshifter . At its worst, it might get you something you need. At its best? Name "giant" to get your Galecaster Colossus . Or name Slivers to cheat it directly into play for either flying or unblockable. Hell, you wanna get "real" cute, name "Pirate" and get Timestream Navigator . At its worst, it is a Wizard that gets you Wizard activations. At its best? You get an extra turn once in a while.
I feel like you made the right call, in focusing more so on "Wizards" and "Merfolks", cause I had that issue of "here are all of the lords...what do I focus on" type of things. I do feel like Mind Over Matter is really only there for the combo potential and nothing else. Perhaps a Paradox Engine would be more "value", since you can chain into other spells or have it be a "cheaper" Mind Over Matter, since with Azami out, cast a spell, tap to draw more and have more mana, rinse and repeat. Another change I'd consider, is to remove the Slivers and go with Archetype of Imagination and Deepchannel Mentor I can see WHY you include Slivers (make them all Slivers with the Hivestone, then make the team unblockable). The only issue I see, is basically its a 2 card combo for evasion. Yes its cheaper to cast those two spells than it is to cast the ones I mentioned, but it also means not having to worry about getting your Slivers or tutoring for them, and it means that you can be closer with your two tribes. Another fun card I want to see, is Dragon's Hoard . Cast your commander or any of the changelings to give yourself another small form of card draw. Merrow Commerce might also be nice, letting you attack in and then untapping the team. Not to mention Arcane Adaptation naming Merfolk untaps your entire team at EOT. Other combos is the Sage of Fables/Metallic Mimic with Glen Elendra Archmage . Not only is it another counter effect, but with something like a sac outlet you can ensure you get infinite death triggers (Phyrexian/Ashnod's Altar, Altar of Dementia ect are all good examples).
I do have to ask; How is Unesh in the deck? Without allot of changelings and not allot of static changes to creature types, similar to Arcane Adaptation, it means that you might get two? Maybe three triggers from it? I am also curious what you USUALLY name with Arcane Adaptation. Do you cane Wizards for the "flexibility" of the "tap an untapped wizard:" type of effects? Or more so the Merfolk for more pumps and evasion?
2 weeks ago
liquid_water I included the Dragon's Hoard because when I proliferate I will gain more gold counters on it which will allow me to draw cards more than once. It not only will give me mana, but also card draw. Do you think it's really not worth it?
1 month ago
Sol ring is banned in the format, Dragon's Hoard might be a good replacement, or any one Mana dork
1 month ago
Hey, you could upgrade the mana rocks that you're already playing? All except Sol Ring and Monolith of course. All the rocks I suggested ETB untapped. Dragon's Hoard for instance for the same mana cost has much more repeatable value than Vessel of Endless Rest . Hoard is both a mana rock and a draw engine. Mind Stone also has more value then Fire Diamond because Stone ETB untapped and can be sac to draw later on when you don't need ramp.
The mana rocks you play don't have to make red mana, it would nice if they did, but they don't have to because there's 31 Mountains here. Red mana is not a problem; the rocks just need to be able to make mana, colorless mana, for ramp to get Zirilan or another Dragon onto the battlefield faster. There's a lot of high CMC Dragons here; if Zirilan gets stuck in the Command Zone due to Commander cost or disrupted and you're unable to use his ability to cheat Dragons onto the battlefield then you want a backup plan to be able to cast Dragons. Mana rocks for ramp is a good backup plan. Semi-budget rocks such as Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus are good when playing lots of high CMC cards.
Cards like Mishra's Bauble and Urza's Bauble are fine, but I think they would be better as mana rocks. Blood Frenzy and Volcanic Offering are okay, but they're a one time shot spell and as a one time use they lose a lot of playability. One time effects from cards like Chaos Warp and Gamble are worth it because these effects for the mana cost are unique in red/powerful for red. Fling is fine if you have ways to repeatably cast it, but as a one time effect with only one Dragon it's very lackluster.
Consider Goblin Welder ? Welder, Feldon of the Third Path and Steel Hellkite have great interaction because Hellkite is an artifact Dragon. The tokens that Feldon creates are artifacts you can use one of these artifact creature tokens at instant speed with Welder to sac it to reanimate Hellkite or any other artifact. Welder can also be a way to reanimate an artifact sac/tuck outlet which you need on the battlefield otherwise the Dragon you cheat into play with Zirilan will be exiled end of your turn. Welder also helps to assemble the Monolith + Rings artifact combo. Solemn Simulacrum is very good with Welder and Feldon because he's an artifact who gives you value when he ETB and when he dies.
Cards like Welder and Feldon can benefit from cards that can put other cards into your graveyard. Consider adding Daretti, Scrap Savant , Faithless Looting and Gamble? Daretti is repeatable draw/graveyard enabler/reanimate artifact. Consider Tel-Jilad Stylus ? The most mana cost effective way to tuck a Dragon back into your library. Artifacts are honestly just as important for your deck's strategy then Dragons are.
Cards to consider adding:
- Dragon's Hoard
- Mind Stone
- Fellwar Stone or Everflowing Chalice
- Thran Dynamo or Gilded Lotus
- Goblin Welder
- Daretti, Scrap Savant
- Faithless Looting
- Tel-Jilad Stylus
Cards to consider cutting:
- Fire Diamond
- Vessel of Endless Rest
- Mishra's Bauble
- Urza's Bauble
- Blood Frenzy
- Volcanic Offering
- Whispersilk Cloak
- Voyager Staff
1 month ago
Out: - Citadel Siege - Crucible of Fire - Dragon Breath - Dragon Fangs - Dragon Scales - Dragon Shadow - Fervent Charge - Mighty Emergence - Sarkhan's Unsealing - Triumph of Ferocity - Atarka Monument - Dragon's Hoard - Dromoka Monument - Kolaghan Monument - Ojutai Monument - Silumgar Monument - Response / Resurgence - Akoum Hellkite - Bone Dragon - Dromoka, the Eternal - Flameblast Dragon - Foe-Razer Regent - Furyborn Hellkite - Hoarding Dragon - Jugan, the Rising Star - Mana-Charged Dragon - Nicol Bolas - Shieldhide Dragon - Azorius Chancery - Gruul Turf - Izzet Boilerworks - Orzhov Basilica - Rakdos Carnarium - Simic Growth Chamber
Replacement Options - Atarka, World Render - Boneyard Scourge - Broodmate Dragon - Darigaaz Reincarnated - Dragonlord Kolaghan - Harbinger of the Hunt - Hellkite Tyrant - Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund - Kokusho, the Evening Star - Nesting Dragon - Rith, the Awakener - Ryusei, the Falling Star - Scourge of the Throne - Utvara Hellkite - Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire - Skyshroud Claim - Nissa's Pilgrimage - Farseek - Sol Ring - Smothering Tithe - Dragonspeaker Shaman - Earthquake - Commander's Sphere - Chromatic Lantern - Darksteel Ingot - Wayfarer's Bauble - Fellwar Stone - Armillary Sphere - Burnished Hart - Mirari's Wake - Curse of Opulence - Unclaimed Territory - Exotic Orchard - Mountain s, Swamp s, Forest s, Island s, Plains
1 month ago
as I'm experimenting with Dragons as well, I'll offer some tips.
first off its too top heavy. I would take out all cards you have with Hellkite in the name as they cost too much to be of use. Moonveil Dragon doesn't do enough for costing 6 mana. the only 6 drop dragon you'd want to consider is Lathliss, and then only as a 1 of, and that's because she makes free tokens when you cast a dragon. I have 1 Descent of the Dragons instead because my deck banks on Dragon Tempest and Scourge of Valkas so I want to get as many dragons entering as possible, and if I can blow up my entire board to get 4 or 5 dragon tokens, that's usually game.
speaking of Scourge of Valkas, that is a good win con if you're on the "get a lot of dragons" plan, so you want 4 of those guys, and that's the only 5 drop you should have, but you can consider Glorybringer , Stormbreath Dragon or Thundermaw Hellkite as alternate options. Mirrorwing is pretty terrible.
in my 4 drops, I only have Avaricious and Thunderbreak Regent. Avaricious is pretty good for extra draw if you're ok discarding at end of turn and Regent simply makes it hard for opponents to spot remove your stuff. Crucible is not very good at all in modern and is a card you only want in EDH dragons.
Sarkhan Fireblood is your goto card for dragons and you want 2-3 of him ideally. not 4 cause extra copies are useless. Dragon Egg is decent as a 1 of, but I actually have been liking Dragon's Hoard at 3-4 because of how helpful it is. the turn you play it you can use it for mana, or if you play a dragon after it, you can immediately draw off of it and its easy to build up multiple counters on it and then its a constant extra card every turn.
at 2 mana I like 3-4 Dragon Tempest because that's one of the main win cons, but I don't wanna see a bunch early on in lieu of creatures. I have 3 of the goblins that makes the dragons cost 1 less, but I also have Generator Servant as it gives you 2 mana plus haste to the dragon incase you don't have a Tempest. I don't think much else in mono red makes sense.
you need some 1 drops for consistency. I like Slumbering Dragon because if played early and left unchecked, he can grow large by himself, but more importantly he's a 1 drop dragon to trigger your Tempest effects late game. 4 Faithless Looting is the main thing you want. its the best draw spell red has, letting you trade extra lands for spells or extra Sarkhans or whatever. also I recommend a couple Bolts just cause its Bolt.
I'm still play testing and figuring this deck out, and trying to see whether I should splash in some green for ramp or not, but that's what I've found works best so far. if you want all the big expensive dragons, those are best for EDH.
2 months ago
Thanks to everyone that commented for the great feedback.
There are a number of cards mentioned that are already on my acquire list that I want for the deck that I just didn't have handy because they are already in my Scion/Ur-Dragon deck or others. This includes Illusionist's Bracers , Flameshadow Conjuring , Dragonmaster Outcast , Thousand-Year Elixir , Dragon Tyrant , High Market and Tel-Jilad Stylus . I should have included a 'too acquire' list.
There are some cards I cut from my first draft simply do to overall mana curve. I always build my decks too high and so I deliberately go back and reassess everything 6 CMC and up. I found this to be the case when I cut Dragon Mage , Utvara Hellkite , and Scourge of Valkas (avoiding 3 colored in the casting cost...I know, I know, it's a mono deck, but I still find away to get locked there somehow). I also did find Scourge of Valkas meeting my 'answers' need when it was tutored, but I can see @TypicalTimmy's combo as fun shenanigans, so I might need to make room for them.
As for rocks, I had trimmed both Fellwar Stone and Ruby Medallion because I went more on utility in other areas. The same sort of went for Dragon's Hoard . i'd be interested in suggestion on what to cut for any of these. I did leave both Thought Vessel and Reliquary Tower deliberately out as the deck just never puts you in that position to need them.
The honest answer on the City of Brass , Command Tower , Mana Confluence , Path of Ancestry , and Reflecting Pool is I ran out of the unhinged mountains I wanted to use and need to get more :). The command tower was an easy add as it doesn't lose much aside from being affected by anything that targets non-basic lands. The Path of Ancestry was because I wanted the advantage of the scry and then the ping lands were because I need more unhinged mountains.
I had Gamble in the deck, but cut it in favor of others. Suggestions on what to pull out for it?
Chaos Warp is in the deck.
2 months ago
Hey, Dragon Tempest , Utvara Hellkite and Dragonmaster Outcast are among the best Dragon themed cards to play. Tempest is more ways to give Dragons haste including Zirilan as well do some damage to opponent or creature when you cheat Dragons into play. Utvara should always be your first Dragon to search for with Zirilan since haste means she will create a 6/6 Dragon when she attacks. Dragonmaster is good in multiplayer Commander because he's a possible repeatable source of Dragons. Utvrara and Dragonmaster are busted with Tempest.
Consider Gamble and Chaos Warp ? They're staple red cards since their effects are not something that traditionally red has access to (unconditional tutor and enchantment removal). More two drop mana rocks are helpful for ramp since Kirilan requires a lot of mana to get going. The two drop mana rocks you play don't have to make red mana since making red mana will not be a problem with so many Mountains. The mana rocks just need to create mana for ramp and in my opinion consider a lot of mana rocks? Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone , Thought Vessel , Ruby Medallion , Dragon's Hoard , Everflowing Chalice , Prismatic Lens ? Ashnod's Altar lets you make mana by sacing a Dragon or token copy before your end step, if it's going to die anyway might as well make some mana.
Thousand-Year Elixir can also give Zirilan haste as well as untap him to potentially use his ability another time during your turn or during an opponents turn. Tel-Jilad Stylus is helpful to put a Dragon back into your library after it attacks so it's not saced EOT. Dragon Mage is a very good Dragon when it has haste because red lacks many draw options and Mage is repeatable draw each time it hits an opponent. Dragon Tyrant is good when it has haste, hitting for 12 flying/trample damage.
Good luck with your deck.
Dragon's Hoard occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%