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Whenever a player taps a land for mana, Manabarbs deals 1 damage to that player.
3 weeks ago
I hope at least some of this is helpful!
First of all, 1x Bojuka Bog can be a mainboard land that fulfills the same utility as Tormod's Crypt. An additional 1x Scavenger Grounds can supplement the Bog and add flexibility. If you're planning on shelling out crazy cash for shocks and fetches, you might as well add 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , too.
I second UndeadxPenguins in moving the Leylines to the sideboard. I might go even farther and say that Leyline of the Void might not be worth it. Generally speaking, I prefer spells that apply to all opponents - IE - I'm excluded from the effects.
Multiplayer burn is basically impossible. I totally understand wanting to make a Rakdos burn deck instead of a Boros one. I, too, feel a seemingly innate desire to break convention. Additionally, I've had the fortune of pulling a full set of Dragonskull Summit s from booster packs, so I've trying to build a multiplayer Rakdos deck. That said, neither red nor black are colors I use regularly or primarily and I'm sorry to report my efforts have yet to yield any results I'm particularly pleased with. For reference, my most recent attempts are: Tainted Aria and Forgotten Elements. One take-away from those decks Aria of Flame and Priest of Forgotten Gods - each says "...any number of target players..." or "each opponent" - there aren't hoards of cards that have language like that, so any spells that strike your fancy that have language like that are going to be good. All that said, I doubt you'll ever be able to deal damage fast enough to more than one opponent with any consistency. That doesn't mean you can't make a darn mean deck, but that perhaps it would be better to forego the goal of speed in favor of broader, repeatable effects.
I think one way around the obvious limit of trying to deal out 40 or even 60 damage with a burn deck in a multiplayer format is to include more passive threats - dropping some instants in favor of creatures and enchantments - I'm thinking spells like Eidolon of the Great Revel , Harsh Mentor , and Manabarbs . While, like spells that say "all opponents," there aren't a ton of these sort of spells out there, there are some good ones.
Since you're running so few creatures, perhaps it would also be worth considering board wipes as a means of dealing with multiplayer threats. Blasphemous Act comes to mind, as well as the eternally popular Damnation .
Angrath, the Flame-Chained seems like a possible fit, though I question the CMC viability.
I suggest you add "Multiplayer" to this decks hubs.
I don't put any stock in TappedOut's "Competitive Meter." I showed with my deck, 100% Competitive, 100% Loser that the Meter does not take into account the interaction between cards. So if you make changes and the Meter says it's less competitive, I wouldn't worry at all.
Sideboard: Everlasting Torment , Dismember - deals with indestructibles, Extirpate / Surgical Extraction , Geth's Verdict - deals with Hexproofs and Shrouds, Pithing Needle , Ratchet Bomb , Elixir of Immortality .
2 months ago
Coming up with a stax ban list. First pass -
Dream Tides Energy Flux Invoke Prejudice Mudslide Nether Void War Tax Contamination Death Cloud Dictate of Erebos Grave Pact Sheoldred, Whispering One Tainted AEther Decree of Annihilation Martyr's Bond Smokestack Razia's Purification Null Rod Stony Silence Words of Wind Creeping Dread Embargo Manabarbs Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker Painful Quandary Pestilence Pestilence Demon Pyrohemia Jace, Unraveler of Secrets Gaddock Teeg Iona, Shield of Emeria Kaervek the Merciless Void Winnower Ward of Bones Catastrophe Jokulhaups Lethal Vapors Dueling Grounds Ensnaring Bridge Silent Arbiter Leovold, Emissary of Trest Back to Basics Freyalise's Winds Hokori, Dust Drinker Mist of Stagnation Rising Waters Stasis Static Orb Tangle Wire Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger Winter Orb Blood Moon Destructive Flow Equipoise Helldozer Land Equilibrium Magus of the Moon Mana Vortex Ruination Bottomless Pit Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur Mind Slash Necrogen Mists Oppression Words of Waste Cursed Totem Hushwing Gryff Linvala, Keeper of Silence Portcullis Torpor Orb Ravages of War Armageddon Wildfire
2 months ago
Let me go through your points.
- xD What? cEDH doesn't make you win by turn 3? Most lists can't do that, midrange combo like Kess Turns and Yisan lists aim for turns 4-5ish and use a mix of removal and hate to stop faster opponents. Control/Stax decks from Control Zur, Blood Pod, or Derevi win much later, after locking out faster combo opponents with permission, removal, stax, and hate.
It is true you need to be affecting the board state in a heavy way by turn three, but you definitely do not need to win by then.
- Wrong, Boros does have efficient infinite combos that do not need to spend a long amount of time to physically go through each trigger, such as the popular cEDH Aurelia, the Warleader + Helm of the Host list, using a stax-core for the list, as well as an abundance of tutors, such as Steelshaper's Gift or Stoneforge Mystic to set up the combo.
Another popular competitive viable Boros combo was using Imperial Recruiter with Recruiter of the Guard , to fetch Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , to copy the Recruiter of choice to fetch Combat Celebrant or Village Bell-Ringer to go infinite with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker .
Point is, Boros always had good win conditions that went infinite and were effectively 1-card combos too, (Just need Helm + Commander or Recruiter+what it tutors for in deck) for what it is worth.
- Aurelia, being a strong combo-enabler also happens to remove the argument that prior to Feather, WotC only made bad commanders that only revolve around creature-beatdown strategies or dumb tribal shenanigans.
Gisela was often used in conjunction with effects like Manabarbs for a stax-lockdown deck, Firesong and Sunspeaker is a burn-lifegain deck, very spell-focused, Brion Stoutarm was a list based around sacrifice and recursion, with lifegain synergies to boot, etc.
After this you say that "BOROS HAS YET TO DO THAT", referring to non-combat commander support, again I look to Gisela, Firesong/Sunspeaker, and Brion.
Then you bring up that tier 1 lists always go off turn 3 and you can't be competitive without that, again, BS, Yisan, Teferi, and Sisay and tier 1 decks, of which two are stax-combo hybrids that often go the stax-y control route and Yisan is midrange-y, etc.
Then you go into the 5 things you want to do to get this deck where you want. I don't see why as Aurelia is a tier 3 cEDH list anyway, but who cares.
All commander decks need to be 100 cards exactly anyway to be a commander deck, this is not specific to cEDH.
No, many people build budgeted cEDH decks, but just like any competitive event for standard, modern, legacy, vintage, and pauper, playing a budgeted variant will lose you games. Also, many players to do accept the use of proxies, and in competitive EDH tournaments or side events and Grand Prix's, or now Magic Fests, you can be disqualified for using proxies.
That is not a rule of cEDH, while it isn't a bad suggestion, it is not necessary for the vast majority of faster combo decks, that only need to protect their combo, or for stax decks with hate that can stop threats before they are cast, or stop them from being cast, well before having a removal or counterspell up is necessary.
I would suggest the old Helm of Obedience / Rest in Peace combo for the deck or a Kiki-Jiki package to play with. Running Rest in Peace as graveyard hate is often useful enough to warrant inclusion in any cEDH white list not aiming on using the graveyard for itself, and this list shouldn't so recursion based.
Wrong, not that Boros has great effects, it does, but the arrogance in saying that nobody knows them is astounding to me xD.
After this you make it sound like there is a mob of cEDH players who say Boros is "forbidden". I have only heard that word said in cEDH as a reference to Forbidden Orchard xD.
Then you complain about infinite creature combos stopping you from having fun, and claim Azathoth from the Lovecraftian pantheon is the most powerful media character (must never have heard of SCP-3812), and ramble on about inane things.
Then you actually go crazy. Not about Boros, not about anything else mtg related, you literally claim you are "The only person willing to help on Earth." No joke, read it. Lunatic.
Starts quoting some BS after that, and immediately goes into talking about cuts for the list. Actually, this concerns me for BMHKain's mental health. This is some deeply disturbing stuff.
Then goes into quoting something about Tokyo, and apologizes for having some of the really weird stuff throughout.
Okay, wtf was that. You start by going on some factually incorrect assumptions about cEDH, then all Boros commanders, then all Boros combos, then on basic EDH rules like having 100 cards... then you go off the deep end, and ask about cutting cards.
2 months ago
Yo MLGSavageBoy, you can make it work it won't be the greatest of decks, but with Zozu you can make it more of a group hate type of deck that punishes people. Cards like Stranglehold , Manabarbs , War's Toll , Ankh of Mishra . Oh and don't forget about Blood Moon as well! I can see it working adding in a sub theme of lifegain but yeah go for it!
3 months ago
3 months ago
DrukenReaps: Ooh, that looks like a deck i need to give a good look :) Very nice suggestions, some of them might get a home here. What are your experiences with the cards: Luminarch Ascension & Bloodchief Ascension ?
How much does Manabarbs punish you compared to your opponents?
Interesting thoughts about Polluted Bonds , i think i will add it, and then after some playtesting make my decision :)
Thank you so much for the feedback.
3 months ago
Wow, seems like you want to do a deck very similar to my own. I focused pretty hard on pillowfort and punishment. Please take a look at the deck itself, Divine Decree, but I'll list some of my all stars. Hope it helps.
I don't think I suggested any you already have but my bad if I did. I will also say I played Zo-Zu the Punisher for awhile but found it highly underwhelming as a card in the 99 any time it came into the game after turn 6 or so and too aggressive if it came out early... I suspect Polluted Bonds will end up the same way unless you are up against landfall decks.
Manabarbs occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%