Eye of Ramos
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Eye of Ramos

Artifact

Tap: Add (Blue) to your mana pool.

Sacrifice Eye of Ramos: Add (Blue) to your mana pool.

Unlife on Vendilion clique combo

6 months ago

Flavuss The speed really depends on your playgroup, but I don't see why those two couldn't fit in. However, I'm thinking of even simpler things like Arcane Signet, Eye of Ramos, Commander's Sphere, Skyclave Relic, Mind Stone, Hedron Archive, Gilded Lotus, Darksteel Ingot, Thought Vessel and Fellwar Stone. Some make blue, some make colorless but they all help you accelerate.

king-saproling on Intet's grand entry

1 year ago

Component Pouch, Worn Powerstone, Palladium Myr, Somberwald Sage, Overgrowth, Coalition Relic, Pentad Prism, Generator Servant, Eye of Ramos, Heart of Ramos, and Horn of Ramos would all ensure that Intent comes out on turn 4 assuming you've drawn your 4th land by then. Your land count is too low to reliably achieve this though. Would need to be at least 39 lands.

Personally I would cut thought vessel, farseek, rampant growth, wood elves, yavimaya dryad, and utopia sprawl in favor of some of the aforementioned cards.

Also these might interest you: Lightning Greaves, Bloodsworn Steward, Blood Mist, Berserkers' Onslaught, Brass Knuckles, Fireshrieker, Embercleave, Lizard Blades

TriusMalarky on Mizzet PUNCH

3 years ago

Aight. First, you need a good ramp package. I'd go

You have 3 taplands, two of which are useless. They're better off being basics, although Skyline Cascade isn't the worst. Also, Evolving Wilds never belongs in 2-color decks. Temple of Epiphany is infinitely better.

Teferi's Ageless Insight, Alhammarret's Archive if you have the budget.

jaymc1130 on Emry, Lurker of the Loch cEDH

4 years ago

bmc10

I think no matter what Dramatic Scepter can have a place in a competitive Emry build, the nature of the combo is simply that strong. If some one wants to run that set up I don't really think it's a poor choice by any means, it simply means the deck will have to be tuned differently to make optimal use of the combo. I've disliked it's performance in the iterations I've had it in so far mostly because I had difficulty in one of two areas: consistently getting Emry out and active as early as possible due to the number of additional tutor elements that feel required to reliably find Dramatic Scepter combo, and consistently hitting quality artifact targets for Emry to recur for value or a win (also due to increased tutor density and decreased artifact density). There is very likely some ideal balance where these issues can be resolved well, but I've had much better luck with the approach that eschews Dramatic Scepter altogether so far for increased consistency playing around Emry value. I'm interested in finding the optimal set up for both approaches in due time and figure the best way to do that is constantly check out other interesting Emry lists for the spicy tech that might make the difference.

When it comes to the keys in Emry I'm not quite sure how much value they would hold given typical play patterns for a number of different approaches. There's nothing wrong with having a nice artifact untap ability or two hanging around to generate extra value from Mana Vaults, Sensei's Divining Tops and the like but I don't think these pieces offer a whole lot as combo elements so they'd likely be pieces that only offer value generation. Makes less sense to run pieces that exclusively provide value without offering combo potential when those slots can potentially do both with something like Chromatic Sphere or Golden Egg. I think if an Emry list wants to get into Urza, Lord High Artificer packages with bounce elements like Paradoxical Outcome and Retract while running perhaps some stax elements like Trinisphere they have more merit as the keys would provide a lot more utility in these situations (particularly Manifold Key letting big constructs swing for 20 to the face). I did initially give an iteration including an Urza package with a key a try but it felt like the deck was pulling in too many directions to perform consistently. Again, with optimized tuning this might be pretty viable competitively, but it feels hard to make it work just right.

Scrap Trawler has been a wonderful performer for me so far. It's definitely going to be a card that Emry variants running a KCI package want to include as it opens up some seriously powerful lines (particularly the Intuition line to tutor for a full infinite combo with a single card at instant speed), but I've had a coupe of games now where Scrap Trawler chains simply for value led to a developmental advantage that secured my ability to win a turn or two later. The important thing to consider with a Scrap Trawler inclusion is that the deck will then really want artifacts in the 0, 1, 2, and 3 slots that can consistently sacrifice themselves for value of their own accord. I had one turn that I recall quite clearly where I had a fair amount of mana available to me and a Semblance Anvil plus Etherium Sculptor in play paired with the Trawler and some random Emry enablers when I drew into Memory Jar. I got to play the Jar, defend it with countermagic, sac Lotus Petal, sac Chromatic Star getting back the Petal, sac Mind Stone getting back the Star, tap and sac Eye of Ramos getting back the Stone, play all my returned artifacts for free plus a new one I had drawn, then sac the Jar getting back and exiling the Eye for later and draw a new grip without even using an Emry activation that I would then later use on a second Jar drop and activaton. I wound up drawing into 2 different engines that I was able to play and subsequently won the game. The value Trawler can generate can be pretty nutty at times when it leads to wins out of nowhere, and the combination of Scrap Trawler, Magewright's Stone, Krark-Clan Ironworks, any 0 cmc artifact, and any 1 cmc artifact as an outright infinite engine for mana (and often draw at the same time) is a solid capstone.

jaymc1130 on Emry, Lurker of the Loch cEDH

4 years ago

firrlo

I played a half dozen more games with Emry last night testing some iterations. Ultimately I just didn't like the performance of Freed from the Real either. Both of the aura's are a lot more narrow than the Spy, but this is a mono colored deck and we won't have access to Jeskai Ascendancy that is the absolute best combo piece, gotta work with what's available. Pemmin's is staying in though, the protection and utility it offers made for better performance and one piece that works with Lion's Eye Diamond or KCI/Eye of Ramos/Commander's Sphere/Implements of Sacrifice and cost reducers to go infinite is worthwhile as it dramatically increases the consistency of going off the turn or two after casting Emry due to dramatically increased chances of Emry mill hitting relevant pieces to recur.

Mesmeric Orb was actually something I gave a try in my initial incarnations and it's performance was atrocious. Too vulnerable a line to any form of graveyard hate, too clunky, to narrow. The deck still needs some form of ability to make use of repeated Emry activations and draw out though, and in fact the drawing out part is significantly more important than the creation of infinite mana part. Infinite draw always leads to infinite mana, while infinite mana with no command zone outlet is largely useless the majority of the time.

Riddlesmith and Vedalken Archmage did not cut it in the handful of games I played with them in, too slow, inconsistent, clunky, easy to remove. Nor does Rhystic Study in my group, just not competitive enough in terms of the value it tends to generate (drawing typically 2 cards and mostly taxing players' excess mana that isn't needed, in which case cards like Thirst for Knowledge offer better value despite not being competitive enough itself). So somehow Emry needs a way to consistently draw, both for value and to combo out, and moving to Chromatic Sphere/Conjurer's Bauble//Mind Stone type cards with 5 or 6 artifact cost reducers seemed logical. Turns out this has been dramatically more consistent while still fast, though a bit wasteful in terms of card slot efficiency.

Krark-Clan Ironworks should likely be a staple for an Emry deck. It's ability to turn any artifact into an infinite mana generator seriously widens the decks scope and allows more focus to be given to the draw aspect. The additional consistency it's inclusion allows cannot really be understated. I actually have yet to try Phyrexian Altar or Ashnod's Altar though I considered them initially. Ultimately those 2 sacrifice outlets are just too narrow in scope and the combo lines to go infinite are way too convoluted and clunky. It seems to make more sense to use a sacrifice outlet that's going to enable 40% of the deck to become combo pieces. Won't be the combo the deck really wants to look for, but KCI will often be the one it finds with very little effort.

I gave both Magewright's Stone and TYE a look last night in the slot previously held by Freed from the Real and found them interesting. With an active Emry, KCI, and cost reduction pieces to play for 0 mana they generate infinite mana quite nicely. I don't know if the "haste" clause is more valuable than needing one less cost reduction piece to enable the line, but I do like the utility of a hasty Emry in the event my first Emry cast got killed off. It might be worthwhile to run both, but I kind of doubt it. I'm sticking with TYE at the moment.

Scrap Trawler is on my radar as my next idea to test out. Seems like an interesting piece to have around with KCI (I'd initially thought of it as a piece for the Altar pair). Would open up some interesting lines, for example: Tap Mana Vault for , sac it for , sac a tapped Magewright's Stone for , bring Mana Vault back to hand, tap Commander's Sphere for , sac Commander's Sphere to draw a card, bring Magewright's Stone back to hand. With the loop can be repeated with Emry recurring Commander's Sphere infinitely to draw infinite cards and generate infinite blue mana. With a single cost reduction piece in play a dozen other lines open up. With 2 in play basically every card in the deck would generate infinite mana and card draw with only a single untap of Emry required. These lines seemed too convoluted to me at first, but after playing around with the deck some and seeing how often it comes by combos incidentally off a single Emry activation given the dearth of fodder I'm starting to think Scrap Trawler might have a place in the deck (in which case I'd definitely run Magewright's Stone in addition to TYE).

Man, Emry is hella fun to theory craft. Just talking about the possibilities gets my juices going.

As a point of inquiry, how are you liking High Tide and is a line with Candelabra of Tawnos+Minamo, School at Water's Edge worth inclusion in your mind? Is Minamo, School at Water's Edge worth inclusion as just a value piece and if so, what kind of artifact density do you feel is needed to justify it as a value developmental piece?

hydrothermia on Pattern Recognition #134 - Mercadian …

4 years ago

I may be one of the few that actually remember playing Mercadian Masque in the Type 2 (Standard for you whippersnappers.) format. My favorite card of the set, outside of Counterspell was Tidal Kraken . It was only a 6/6 unblockable for eight mana, which is way overpriced by today's current Standards. A little surprised you didn't mention Conspiracy the card. It was the first of it's kind with the most recent "reprint" being Arcane Adaptation . Or my favorite/annoying combo consisting of Cho-Manno, Revolutionary and Pariah .

There were five artifacts, one land and a handful of white rebels that created lore of a creature that would eventually end up being printed for Commander 2017, Ramos, Dragon Engine . The first iterations of the artifact dragon came from Henge of Ramos , Eye of Ramos , Heart of Ramos , Horn of Ramos , Skull of Ramos and Tooth of Ramos .

jaymc1130 on What to replace Paradox Engine …

4 years ago

@ vasarto77 Nifty tid bit about the Mystic Top combo lines: there are a number of easy ways to generate infinite mana with them after drawing the whole deck that are relatively compact and/or include other cards that can be independently useful.

After assembling the Mystic Forge, Top, Random Cost Reducer part of the engine and drawing the whole deck, for example. Elixir of Immortality + Dark Ritual + Lotus Petal generates infinite mana of any color when looping the Elixir with those cards and using the Mystic Top engine to redraw them. Provided the cost reduction card actually is Helm of Awakening the red Rituals can also manage the same loop. If you can get to artifact cost reduction totaling at least 3 then the Ramos mana rocks ( Eye of Ramos , etc) can also manage the same infinite mana loop. Any of these types of methods are usually able to begin from a very small amount of available mana or even without any mana available aside from what those pieces themselves can provide. The engine, when constructed in that type of way, also offers an easy win condition as the engine loops to generate infinite mana and draw also infinitely replenish the deck allowing infinite castings of any particular card that might be able to kill opponents, such as an unassuming Lightning Bolt .

BelugaWhale217 on Budget Kami of the Crescent Moon

5 years ago

What are your wincons? No offense, but it looks like this deck was thrown together randomly. It seems like you have too many counterspells, so getting rid of those for a Solemn Simulacrum, Gilded Lotus, Wayfarer's Bauble, Walking Atlas Expedition Map, Sol Ring, Sky Diamond, Eye of Ramos, Commander's Sphere, Darksteel Ingot, Coldsteel Heart, and other artifact ramp cards could be useful. You might need to ditch some islands for ramp, so only get rid of a few. If you put in that much ramp, you could use your commander's ability to draw everyone cards as an excuse for no one to target you, draw a ton of cards, (Spellbook and Thought Vessel will keep you from discarding) then cast an eldrazi titan Emrakul, the Promised End, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Void Winnower, Desolation Twin, or some others of your choice. Other good creatures include Darksteel Colossus and Blightsteel Colossus. You don't have to run all of them but the more you run the more consistent your deck is. You could also put in infinite mana combos such as Rings of Brighthearth and Basalt Monolith (the combo can be confusing check out Infinite Colorless Mana Turn 1 for an explanation) or Isochron Scepter imprinted with Dramatic Reversal + any combinations of mana rocks that produce a total of 3 mana.

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