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|Duel Decks: Elves vs. Inventors (DDU)||None|
|Scars of Mirrodin (SOM)||Uncommon|
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Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever you cast an artifact spell, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card.
1 month ago
I did consider Riddlesmith , Quicksmith Genius and Sai, Master Thopterist , but decided against them in favor of Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora as these are harder to remove and therefore more consistent. I think adding more of them could end up in them being dead draws while trying to storm off. Am I making sense here?
1 month ago
Riddlesmith may not be a bad card to add since it is an additional card draw off your artifact spells.
Mirrodin Besieged could be good as an additional win con since most of your artifacts sac themselves, or you simply get a body whenever you cast an artifact in case you fail to storm off Sai, Master Thopterist also does the same to make more bodies and add card draw.
1 month ago
I would recomend losing the focus on tap lands and look more at mana rocks/dorks (maybe even some fetches) for color fixing. It will be hard to storm off with only getting one mana a turn. With the Clock of Omens every rock and dork counts as at least 1 and 1/2 mana. Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chalice would work well for rocks. For dorks the tried-and-true Hedron Crawler , Silver Myr , Iron Myr , and Plague Myr
For creature you could look at Riddlesmith (to double on draw engine), Artificer's Assistant (to fix drawing and avoid mana flood), and maybe even Mirror Image to copy a creature for a little extra value. ( Mirror of the Forebears would be a better pick over Mirror Image if you have it)
For mana I would do basics over tap lands every day of the week. If you can get cards like Steam Vents that come in untapped more power to you. Mana Severance is a high risk high reward card that would synergize great with storm.
I love the build though, these are just suggestions and ideas. I have over half the decklist in my cart on TCG now! Keep up the good work!!
4 months ago
@jaymc1130: Not doubting the general effectiveness of Chain of Vapor, just doubting how useful it is for this deck specifically. I don't typically have the 4 mana to spare to re-cast Jhoira or the Aetherflux Reservoir, nor the 5 mana to recast Psychosis Crawler. Me bouncing out an opponent's piece and having them hit me right back with Chain slows me down just as much, if not more than them.
I realize that this deck plays like solitaire, with little interaction between my opponents, but I sort of built it that way on purpose. Hyper-focusing on as much draw and artifact synergy as I can with Jhoira helps dig me through the deck to my win-cons, and the fewer things I need to spend mana on that don't specifically keep the draw engine running the better off the deck is. There are many times where I draw into Hurkyl's Recall or Riddlesmith without two mana available, and that can totally whiff me on that turn. It certainly sets me up for following turns, though, and greatly increases my chances of winning the next time around. I don't see how getting backlashed with my own Chain of Vapor serves the same purpose here.
As it stands currently, I can consistently hit critical mass by turn 6 and storm out my opponents with any one of my pingers or Aetherflux Reservoir. I have successfully pulled off two turn 5 wins as well, and a handful of turn 7 or turn 8 wins where I whiff the first few turns. I know at the cEDH level decks run much faster than that, but my playgroup doesn't run things at cEDH level. As it stands, this deck is probably the fastest deck in our current playgroup, and I hesitate to play it too often for fear of raising our overall level of competition. Like I said before, I typically only play it against my friend's Cascade Slivers deck, because that deck is just too consistent and fast for most of the other decks that were in our playgroup.
4 months ago
@Bchong: Curiosity does work with my pingers, but until I draw into them it is effectively a dead card. Jhoira already has more than enough draw herself, and I have plenty of alternative/incidental draw cards throughout the deck. While I do like Curiosity as a card, I don't particularly like it here.
Chain of Vapor doesn't really strike me as all that great, either. I can use it on myself for some more play recursion, but it costs me sacrificing a land in order to do that and is much more limited than my other bounce spells. Or I target something on my opponent's board, and give them the chance to sacrifice a land in order to bounce Jhoira or my pingers or Aetherflux Reservoir and completely ruin any momentum I've built up with that turn? I don't particularly think that exchange would work out well for me.
The deck already has both available spellbombs, Aether Spellbomb and Pyrite Spellbomb . Typically they act as alternate draw effects when I need them to prevent whiffing, though the Aether Spellbomb can bounce Jhoira to my hand to keep her protected from removal. I agree that Pyrite Spellbomb can be useful as a removal piece if necessary.
I originally had Top in the deck, thinking that the filtering would help, but found that the deck draws too quickly and cannot afford to pay the 1 generic very often, when I would rather be spending that mana on playing another artifact. Artificer's Assistant and Riddlesmith are my answers to that problem, since they also allow me to filter my draws and continue ripping through the deck quickly, without costing me any mana after I have them in play.
The deck honestly doesn't care too much about finding the fast mana. So long as I have 4 lands and at least one R and one U source by turn 4 for Jhoira, I'm pretty much set. The mana rocks are mostly to help avoid whiffs while I'm burning through the deck, allowing me to play some of the more costly 2- or 3-cmc artifacts I draw into. Once I get a single cost reducer on the field, it gets significantly easier to not whiff, and the fast mana becomes a lot less necessary overall. Draw cards in general feel a lot less necessary when Jhoira adds "Draw a card" onto 62 total cards in the deck.
Most storm decks are glass cannons. If I can fire the cannon on turn 5 or 6 before most other players have their board states set up, then I'm golden. If I don't get it set up to fire by then, I'm extremely likely to lose. However, I am really only planning on playing this deck when my friend brings out his Cascade Slivers deck, and I am confident that this Jhoira Cheerios build can consistently fire off before he can. In general, I am not too competitive with my playgroup so I don't really care about winning or losing that much. Also, the playstyle of this deck basically forces it into not playing counterspells, since I don't typically leave mana open during my opponents' turns. I have to play out as much as I can to keep the storm count ticking up and the draw engine running in order to win. Setting aside mana for counterspell protection slows down the overall gameplan, so I decided against it.
5 months ago
In Riddlesmith , out Delay . With Grand Architect around, I think Riddlesmith is now worth it in the deck. Having it solely as filter before felt OK, but would have preferred to put Impulse over him. Things are different if I get to use Riddles as a mana dork. Delay is a solid counter, but this deck is so card hungry that filtering some islands would be more beneficial in the long run.
5 months ago
I'm not sure what kind of budget you're looking at, so I'm going to try to keep from suggesting anything too up there.
I'd swap out Purphoros for Reckless Fireweaver . You'll probably end up doing the same amount of damage, but I've found it paints less of a target on you. And Riddlesmith can give you an effect that's similar to Jhoira's, if you want the redundancy.
Stoic Rebuttal is at best Counterspell , and at worst no better than Cancel , so I would just run Counterspell. I know you'll have the Metalcraft 99% of the time, but other than flavor there's no reason to use it instead.
One of the nice things about this deck is how little color mana you need, so I'd upgrade your lands. Since you're running two artifact lands you may as well add in Darksteel Citadel too. Buried Ruin is great for any artifact heavy deck. And Ash Barrens , Grixis Panorama , and Shivan Reef can help color fix for you without slowing you down or hurting you too much. You only have four potential triggers (plus I guess two more for the X spells you have) for Sanctum of Ugin , so I would run another tutor over it, but that's a personal preference. I would also swap out more Mountains for Islands, since your deck is blue heavy, but if you don't have any problems with the ratio then don't worry about it.
Hope some of this was helpful!
6 months ago
I found your response of calling card selections "cute" to be incredibly patronizing. You'll have to forgive my terse tone if you truly weren't trying to patronize me, but regardless, you have as much time as you need between postings to look at your deck and the suggestions. If you are truly a competitive player and this is truly a competitive deck, people should not have to spoon feed you the reasoning as to why a card works with 8% of the cards you run (I didn't even include the mediocre synergy Seat has with Sai, Master Thopterist or Fabricate ). You have to consciously put every card into the list, so they were all intentional choices you made. You should have familiarity with the cards you run, especially if you claim this to be a competitive deck. You should also have familiarity with competitive concepts, like removal that requires 2 turns and 2 mana to work is far worse than removal that requires 1 mana to work at instant speed (why run Legacy's Allure before Pongify or Rapid Hybridization ? They are both less conditional and cheaper).
A close reading of my earlier comment will also show I only had a strong tone towards the card choices and deck building ideas, not at a person. Also quick shout out to all the people swearing at me and calling me a douche, the bad card suggestions, lack of card suggestions, and ad hominems have been pivotal to the development of this list. I'm not gaining anything from writing paragraphs explaining easy includes for YOUR list, so if you want to keep flinging mud I'll simply leave you to it. If you want to talk cards, put on your big boy pants, realize that you can make an ignorant or bad card choice without being an ignorant or bad person, and lets talk winning.
Mind Over Matter is expensive to cast, and combos out with tap to draw permanents, which this list doesn't run. It's been ignored by cEDH due to the massive color cost requirement + CMC and how weak the combo pieces are outside of combo.
Riddlesmith could have value, but this list doesn't have the artifact density required. It also does absolutely nothing by itself, meaning it has no value without other pieces to make it go. Relatively weak card and any loot effect for 1 or 2 cmc will outperform in a fast format like cEDH.
Time Spiral is also mostly ignored because it doesn't generate the value you want. It isn't reusable like Timetwister , so it doesn't generate value with looping as a wincon. It requires 6 mana to cast, and you're only getting 6 untaps with 6 lands in play, meaning turn 6 as the earliest (read: 3 turns after someone else has won). Even with 3 mana and getting 3 mana back (so it effectively costs 3), it has a high initial cost which means it will sit in hand without being used, while Timetwister could be used earlier. Hits for a lot off Ad Naus and Dark Confidant , which are format staples. Mediocre replacement for twister, but you'd be better off running another 1 2 or 3 cmc draw piece that isn't already used, Sleight of Hand comes to mind for this list.
Precognition Field does the same thing as Urza but allows you to peek top of library. Just like Future Sight , the slot is literally wasted with this commander, because you don't need another infinite mana outlet. If you need help getting to your infinite mana combo pieces, you should run more tutor and draw, not a slow and expensive top of deck value engine.
Cephalid Coliseum is usually ignored because of how unreliable threshold is. Timetwister resets it, and GY hate is very common. Its a painful non-island island in the vast majority of games, and generates land disadvantage when you can use it. Coliseum has its place though; it's very useful in Doomsday decks as a low opportunity cost pile cracker and sifter, but is still sometimes passed over in those lists because of the cost of Doomsday. It can also be used in decks that run Laboratory Maniac as a way to draw on an empty library, but most ignore Coliseum because they achieve no cards in library by drawing the deck, which means they will almost definitely have a draw card they can play that isn't dependent on a land drop. Also Coliseum gets caught by all the non-basic land hate that sees play.
I also have one more suggestion. Baral, Chief of Compliance has more value in this list than Etherium Sculptor . You run a total of 32 instants and sorceries, 15 of them which can be cost reduced (the 32 matters in case opponents play a tax effect). Meanwhile, of the 21 artifacts you play, only 15 of them can be cost reduced due to the amount of 0 cost rocks. Baral also generates value on the ridiculously large amount of counterspells you run though, which makes it a more worthwhile include. If you do decide to up artifact density (and include Mishra's Workshop , which you should due to playing under Trinisphere and orb effects anyways), then sculptor may end up being the better slot.
You also really don't need future sight in your infinite lines. Voltaic Key can replace it in the Paradox Engine line, and the other line is weak anyways because its creature based (easiest permanent type to remove). Voltaic Key untaps Sensei's Divining Top while top trigger is on stack, and use Top again. Sensei's draws a card, then goes to top of library on first trigger, then draws itself on second. Assuming you have 2+ mana in rocks you break parity, on 3+ you generate positive mana. You can do a similar thing with Rings of Brighthearth and Sensei's Top, plus Brighthearth combos with both the monoliths, so it serves as a second B for the A + B of Power Artifact and Monoliths.
Riddlesmith occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%