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This is What Glory Looks Like: a Savage Beating

Commander / EDH Burn Casual Combo Mono-Red Ramp Red Deck Wins

EternalBrewmaster


Description

I have always wanted to build a burn deck in EDH and Neheb finally provided the perfect opportunity. For those who are curious just how good this deck actually is, in its first two weeks of play across a very diverse local meta in 4 different stores, including an EDH FNM (during which it went undefeated), this deck has won 11/14 games before July 30, 2017. This deck will pull everyone in the game, including the pilot, into an ever-burning ring of fire. Cue the music.

What makes this deck the best deck ever: the 84 damage Lightning Bolt

You can cast Lightning Bolt targeting a player, using Pyromancer's Goggles with Satyr Firedancer , Furnace of Rath, and Repercussion on the board. The bolt will be copied by the goggles and each one will deal 6 damage to the opponent, which will be reflected to two creatures that player controls and doubled to 12 each, which will be reflected back to the player by Repercussion and doubled to 24 each. So for 1 mana, you just dealt a total of 84 damage, 60 of it to an opponent. Go to combat, no attacks, go to post-combat main phase, float 60 mana.

A different take on Neheb

This deck is perhaps a little slower than a lot of the other builds I'm seeing on this site (since it runs few low-cost mana rocks), but as with most of my decks, I'm aiming for the mid- to late-game value. A lot of my card choices are engineered to generate explosive turns that come out of nowhere to create an unstoppable burn engine. A nuance I think a lot of people are missing about Neheb is that Afflict triggers when he's blocked, but if he has trample, and they try to block him to cut some of the commander damage, his Afflict triggers and the trample still goes over. Giving him deathtouch and trample is ideal, but there's just not room in my deck for Basilisk Collar at the moment and Quietus Spike is irrefutably perfect for this deck.

Coalhauler Swine is amazing and hilarious, especially if it's indestructible. I was originally planning to run Stuffy Doll and the swine but quickly realized that the doll makes one player resent you for picking on them, while the swine just prevents people from swinging into you so they don't take damage. Then of course you burn the shit out of the swine yourself, Comet Storm + Fortune Thief + Furnace of Rath anyone?

Combos & Synergies

Another couple combos I really want to fit into the deck are Wildfire Eternal and Wheel of Fate , because Wildfire Eternal lets you actually cast the Wheel for free and you don't have to suspend it. Playing Inspiring Statuary makes all your utility artifacts and equipment into mana rocks essentially for your instants, sorceries, creatures, enchantments, and planeswalkers. Price of Glory is critical to this deck I have realized after a few play throughs because it brutally punishes control decks for trying to interrupt you exploding on your turn. Sacing your own lands is usually significantly less detrimental as you get so much mana from Neheb, and even most of your instants you want to cast on your turn. One really neat synergy in the deck is with Nim Deathmantle. Many of the burn spells in this deck can and will kill its own creatures. With the abundant mana you can float in the post-combat main phase from Neheb, you can cast something like Inferno or Blasphemous Act and kill all the creatures, and then bring your own back to life with the Deathmantle which triggers separately for each of your creatures that dies. Nim Deathmantle has the added benefit of making Neheb a little bigger and sort of evasive with the Intimidate ability as well as situationally protected from many black targeted destruction spells.

Note on absence of traditional mana ramp (i.e. "mana doublers")

Mana doublers (Caged Sun, Extraplanar Lens, Doubling Cube) are great, but what I've discovered so far is that they're totally unnecessary wasted card slots in this deck. Neheb can already generate such incredible amounts of mana that you can end up running out of cards to play, and seriously overextending yourself into dangerous boardwipe territory. In that case, the mana doublers will serve no further purpose other than letting you reliably recast Neheb. Hopefully the deck will run smooth enough that that won't be a problem, but we'll see how it evolves with more testing. There's a good amount of card draw/advantage in here specifically because you can burn through your hand really quickly.

Reasoning for the absence of tons of X spells:

The only other X spell I want to include is Molten Disaster. I'm generally not a fan of X spells as they feel fairly boring and unsatisfying to win with. I'd rather play Coalhauler Swine +Repercussion+ Fortune Thief +Eldrazi Monument+Furnace of Rath into Blasphemous Act and watch all my opponents explode for .

Reasoning for absence of damage and lifegain prevention cards:

I love Leyline of Punishment and Sulfuric Vortex and tried to run them, but I realized quickly that Leyline nixed my protection from red coming from Akroma's Memorial and the two Swords of X and Y, which are key pieces to keeping my limited creatures from getting wiped out by my own symmetrical burn spells. And vortex does the damage not on my turn, which is suboptimal. Moreover, I'm sort of fine with my opponents gaining a little life here and there because then they're more likely to let me hit them up for more mana because they'll feel like they have a safer cushion.

Discussion of card draw/card advantage choices for this deck

It will be distinctly noticeable to experienced EDH players that typical card draw staples found in monored decks are largely absent from this deck. Instead I have chosen cards that really thrive off the narrow game plan of Neheb in particular. So Knollspine Dragon and Commune with Lava are obvious choices because they "draw" you cards equal to the amount of damage you've dealt, which is the whole idea of the deck. Infiltration Lens, Prophetic Flamespeaker, and Sword of Fire and Ice all provide card advantage from combat effects. Infiltration Lens in particular is a very overlooked card as it triggers for every creature blocking the equipped creature. Also, in a deck with multiple combats where you are putting enormous pressure on your opponents' life totals, they really have to block if able as often as possible, giving you cards and Afflict triggers. Slate of Ancestry can be decent to amazing: oftentimes I'll end up hellbent or with just lands in hand after dumping my hand in my post-combat mainphase and I can just draw a couple cards. When it becomes truly backbreaking is when you get Hostility out and cast something like Inferno to get 18+ Elemental tokens, which means with the slate you can draw a ridiculous number of cards. Young Pyromancer also works for this line of play.

I really want to run Loreseeker's Stone because again it gives you consistent great card draw; if you're Hellbent then it's perfect, and even if you have cards in hand, you usually have as much mana as you could want anyways.

Thanks for reading and please upvote and share this deck to get the word out about how awesome Neheb, the Eternal is! Let me know if you build it and give your opponents a Savage Beating.

Note on the mountains in this deck: all of the mountains are unique (completely mismatched) and almost none of the arts shown on Tapped Out are correct. They are all just mountains that have art I love and fit Neheb's burny, dark theme.

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VietMoneys says... #1

I was referring to this beauty:

Judge Promo Lightning Bolt

July 21, 2017 12:07 p.m.

Ooh wow. Gorgeous and OG Rush. Probably even more expensive than the full art one.

July 21, 2017 1:41 p.m.

ChubyCryBaby says... #3

Why do I feel like this deck is one card away from being perfect? I can't put my finger on it though and it is making me sad. Grim Lavamancer maybe? I can't think of the card but it's in my head.

July 21, 2017 6:28 p.m.

ChubyCryBaby says... #4

I was thinking of Hidetsugu's Second Rite, sucks I can't edit the last post.

July 21, 2017 6:29 p.m.

Lol thanks for the upvote and suggestion ChubyCryBaby. I actually did consider it along with Soul's Fire. The thing is, it's so situational. Like the player I'm targeting can ping themself with a City of Brass and go to 9 life and then Hidetsugu's Second Rite does nothing. It's cute and would be awesome to pull off but I'm already doing similar shenangians with Triskadekaphobia in my other deck Alesha Infernal Enchantress: Sheathing the Sword.

July 21, 2017 7:06 p.m.

Also Grim Lavamancer is super nostalgic for me too, but it just wouldn't cut it damage-wise in here. I really want to fit in Crucible of Worlds + Seismic Assault since I already have the deserts and land destruction theme sort of with Wildfire. And the creature I want to fit in most now is Guttersnipe because he's a 6 damage dude for every instant and sorcery, which should be legit.

July 21, 2017 7:09 p.m.

Grantley91 says... #7

Dictate of the Twin Gods would essentially quadruple the damage dealt by your Bolt, and Curse of Bloodletting would also double the damage dealt to your opponents. Reverberate would let you target another player if you were in a multiplayer game.

Love the gratuity to that Bolt scenario. Tis a shame Gratuitous Violence only works on damage dealt by creatures...

July 22, 2017 12:17 a.m.

Yeah if I was going to add another doubler it would be Gratuitous violence, or actually Quest for Pure Flame first, because all the symmetric doubling effects is too dangerous. Curse of bloodletting only gets one opponent but it's a decent idea for some decks. There's just no more room for enchantments in this deck. I'm trying to fit in a bunch more instants, Guttersnipe, and a couple artifacts first. Thanks for the comment and upvote! Hope you liked the deck and got some good ideas if you're designing one yourself.

July 22, 2017 12:30 a.m.

Podma101 says... #9

I absolutely love this deck, and this is the way I had hoped most people would choose to build Neheb, though I never considered making him a bit Voltron too. What is your opinion on mana doublers such as Doubling Cube (which should be in here regardless, can double the mana from Neheb) and Extraplanar Lens? Also, what about some more X spells? You can produce a lot of mana, but it looks like it's possible to quickly burn through a hand and have so much mana left over. X spells could also help with infinite life gain decks, as well as something like Leyline of Punishment. Again, amazing deck!

July 22, 2017 10:53 a.m.

Thanks for the kind words Podma101! Mana doublers are great, but what I've discovered so far is that they're totally unnecessary wasted card slots in this deck. As you've noted yourself, Neheb can already generate such incredible amounts of mana that you can end up running out of cards to play. In that case, the mana doublers will serve no further purpose other than letting you reliably recast Neheb. Hopefully the deck will run smooth enough that that won't be a problem, but we'll see how it evolves with more testing. There's a good amount of card draw/advantage in here specifically because you can burn through your hand really quickly. And the only other X spell I want to include is Molten Disaster. I'm generally not a fan of X spells as they feel fairly boring and unsatisfying to win with. I'd rather play Coalhauler Swine+Stuffy Doll+Fortune Thief+Eldrazi Monument+Furnace of Rath into Blasphemous Act and watch all my opponents explode for 1 haha

Also, I love Leyline of Punishment and tried to run it, but I realized quickly that it nixed my protection from red coming from Akroma's Memorial and the two Swords of X and Y, which are key pieces to keeping my limited creatures from getting wiped out by my own symmetrical burn smells.

July 22, 2017 11:25 a.m.

BullettTime says... #11

Dang, last week I had Wheel of Fate in hand with Wildfire Eternal doing it's thing but didn't know if it was legal so I didn't do it! Thanks for all the great advice/inspiration here!

July 22, 2017 6:06 p.m.

Podma101 says... #12

I understand all of that completely! My only other suggestion would be Mizzix's Mastery you don't seem to have any real way to get back your spells, and being able to use the ones in your graveyard a'll at once could end it. It's essentially Past in Flames, but in one card rather than casting each on separately.

July 22, 2017 6:09 p.m.

@BullettTime you're totally welcome! I'm glad you were able to get something helpful out of this! Wildfire Eternal's ability is just like As Foretold: you can cast things with no mana cost or 0 CMC for free.

@Podma101 I've considered Mizzix's Mastery but honestly it's sort of a less flexible, winmore past in flames. Since past in flames has flashback, I can use it at multiple stages of the game, or even discard it to a wheel effect and still use it. The mana I've been generating in my games so far has been so nuts that I was only unable to cast one spell in 5 games that I wanted to cast. Also, Mizzixs Mastery is really only worth it for the overload which sort of implies that you have already cast a ton of spells by the time you cast the mastery, in which case, why haven't you won? Thanks for the suggestion and discussion again, it's only by hearing new ideas and perspectives that we can truly understand the justification for our own choices.

July 22, 2017 6:52 p.m.

Thorbogl says... #14

Mogg Maniac seems like a great addition to your deck.

July 22, 2017 9:29 p.m.

Thorbogl thats a great suggestion actually. Didn't know about him. Coalhauler swine essentially does that even though it hits me too. The mana cost difference is generally irrelevant in this Deck as I have so much mana. Thanks for the upvote!

July 22, 2017 11:02 p.m.

Boy you should see me after some of those jalapeno poppers, volcano wings, and drunken noodles they have down at the track! About eight or twelve hours after, well let me just say that's what Johnny Cash was talking about with 'Ring of Fire'! That man liked him some spiiiiiiicy food and spicy women too! They both can give you a burning sensation, if you know what I mean.

July 22, 2017 11:33 p.m.

Lol what is that from EternalJewmaster?

July 23, 2017 1:12 a.m.

VietMoneys I finally looked it up and that bolt is $200+! That's crazy man!

July 23, 2017 8:16 a.m.

Podma101 says... #19

Lol, I appreciate that my suggestions became part of the description as to why they don't exist

July 23, 2017 9:07 a.m.

Haha yeah it really helped me clarify my thoughts. You made some valid points that I had to address to justify excluding them.

July 23, 2017 9:23 a.m.

Thorbogl says... #21

Another suggestion wich might work out quite well: Fire Servant

July 23, 2017 11:36 a.m.

Yeah I considered him actually but I hate the art and art matters to me :/ thanks for the suggestion though.

July 23, 2017 12:15 p.m.

sean4447@ says... #23

Why not runPlatinum Emperion amd watch the world burn around you? Also maybe Pariah's Shield on stuffy doll to protect yourself from your own burns

July 25, 2017 7:01 a.m.

I was running Platinum Emperion but switched him out for Fortune Thief which essentially solves the same problem in the deck and I've always wanted to play her. I considered Pariah's Shield exactly for what you're saying or maybe for putting on Coalhauler Swine, but without them it doesn't do much and I currently cut Stuffy Doll since it only focuses on one person. This deck already makes people focus me enough because I'm relatively aggro, I realized I don't need the doll to kill them all and it just makes one person saltier at me. Often I have only a couple creatures including Neheb and it's not like I want him to die from the Shield if I don't have a pro-red sword.

July 25, 2017 7:06 a.m.

odiffido says... #25

this is not really related to ur deck, but i have been trying to get a photo on my back ground, could you help me a bit? the photo is http://imgur.com/gallery/RhHEO, like if you could give me something to copy paste that would be nice, thanks.

July 28, 2017 8:32 a.m.

You've come to the right place. Check my profile for instructions on how to do exactly that! Let me know if you need any further help and thanks for the upvote!

July 28, 2017 8:39 a.m.

odiffido says... #27

i did that, and i could not figure it out, i followed the exact steps but i did not workcould you help.

July 28, 2017 8:56 a.m.

odiffido enable chat

July 28, 2017 9:16 a.m.

DrkNinja says... #29

I feel like Harsh Mentor should be in this deck, it's just really strong in edh.

July 28, 2017 10:56 a.m.

It's strong but it relies on them doing stuff on my turn to get real value out of it. I'd rather run Price of Glory to outright discourage opponents from interacting with me. Getting people to 0 life hasn't been a significant challenge in the 9 games I've played so far. Thanks for the suggestion though.

July 28, 2017 11:04 a.m.

DrkNinja says... #31

What about Oracle's Vault?

July 28, 2017 11:18 a.m.

It's just one card that maybe I could play each turn, so no I don't think it's worth it. What would you take out for it? All the card advantage currently in here is superior and usually more reliable. I haven't been hurting for cards in too many situations while testing. Have you built a Neheb deck? What's your strategy?

July 28, 2017 12:44 p.m.

DrkNinja says... #33

I'm theorycrafting one... I'm thinking somewhere in between red aggro and burn... not sure how to proceed... Just trying to pick your brain.

July 28, 2017 1:58 p.m.

Ender666666 says... #34

I love this EB! Kinda reminds me of my Chandra deck, Doesn't Play Well With Others, which is a creatureless burn deck

July 28, 2017 1:59 p.m.

DrkNinja cool! I would say that that's actually exactly what I've built here. All the equipment plus Neheb and a few smaller dudes and haste effects gives you Afro and the burn is self-evident.

Ender666666 thanks for taking a look man! I was initially planning to go creatureless actually but there were a few I just had to fit in. Yours is some serious pain haha I would like to see them fight each other.

July 28, 2017 3 p.m.

Ender666666 says... #36

That would be sweet. Or better yet, teamed up in 2HG

July 28, 2017 3:36 p.m.

Del_Shtoive says... #37

July 28, 2017 9:55 p.m.

Del_Shtoive what's the reason for that suggestion? Do you think this deck could use more burn? I feel like Blasphemous Act is clearly superior in literally every situation. Since the meteor hits a creature it doesn't really do anything for the decks main plan. Burn spells in this deck really need to always hit opponents as well as creatures.

July 28, 2017 10:17 p.m.

Lol Ender666666 two powerful burn decks in 2HG EDH? I doubt almost anyone could stand up to that. Maybe double Baral.

July 29, 2017 6:48 a.m.

Del_Shtoive says... #40

admittedly Blasphemous Act is superior in most situations, but there are a few situations in which paying 9 mana may be unnecessary, such as trying to destroy a single blocker, or creature for 4 less mana. This was just a suggestion that could be put on the maybeboard.

July 29, 2017 2:05 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #41

Whoa bud this is nice. I will definitely have to stop by soon

July 29, 2017 8:51 p.m.

Thanks Lilbrudder I thought you'd appreciate it. Be good to see you. It's been a hoot and a half to play RDW in EDH.

July 29, 2017 9 p.m.

murderface says... #43

Brutal!

July 30, 2017 2:35 p.m.

murderface always upvote monored brutality.

July 30, 2017 2:41 p.m.

woodgateski says... #45

Take my upvote! You've inspired me to start putting together a Neheb deck. Have you thought about Hazoret the Fervent? Good card to utilize if you are drawing dead to pump some mana for 3.

July 31, 2017 9:31 a.m.

Absolutely I've considered her, especially since this deck could use more 4 drops to smooth out the curve and she hits for 6 with her ability on top of combat damage. But with recent insane price spike and my general distaste for looting I haven't pulled the trigger on trying her out. I'm glad this deck has inspired you and thanks for the upvote! It really is an amazing experience to play; it'll make all your friends jealous :)

July 31, 2017 9:45 a.m.

woodgateski says... #47

I keep forgetting about her price spike. I'm sitting on 4 copies still thinking no one wants the Amonkhet gods (I never really pay attention to the PT or any Standard scene). I feel like I have a good leg up on the start of mine with sitting on Hazoret, a Torch of Defiance and a Blood Moon. There's all the money of the deck right there hahaha

July 31, 2017 9:52 a.m.

woodgateski says... #48

Actually just noticed no Blood Moon. Another price issue?

July 31, 2017 9:53 a.m.

No there's no Blood Moon because I didn't think I'd need it, it's been in my sideboard of cards to add for a while. There's really no price issues for me if you take a look at my other decks Wincon Warp World and Enchantress Oops! All Permanents. I just don't like spending $20 on standard cards.

July 31, 2017 10:40 a.m.

Antwaan33 says... #50

Is this deck mainly meant for 1v1 play?

August 3, 2017 9:18 a.m.

Not at all Antwaan33. I don't build competitive 1v1 decks. Neheb's explosive power lies in having more opponents, not fewer, because you get more mana the more opponents you can hit with stuff like Sizzle.

August 3, 2017 9:54 a.m.

Antwaan33 says... #52

Ok I was just asking cause I think your version is interesting and wanted to build it :)

August 3, 2017 10:07 a.m.

I appreciate that, thank you! I hope it works well for you.

August 3, 2017 10:13 a.m.

Antwaan33 says... #54

Does it do good in pod play?

August 3, 2017 10:21 a.m.

Well it's 12 for 16 in multiplayer games of 3-5 people so far so I'd say it's about as good as a deck can be without being degenerate.

August 3, 2017 10:33 a.m.

Antwaan33 says... #56

Ok thank you :)

August 3, 2017 10:51 a.m.

Antwaan33 says... #57

Have you thought of running Flame Rift,Heartless Hidetsugu and Fall of the Titans?

August 3, 2017 9:19 p.m.

Yup! I have considered all possible cards for this deck and decided on the ones I'm currently running. I just took Hidetsugu out because I don't need him and I want fewer creatures. Also, him needing haste makes him undesirable to cast unless I can immediately use him. I've explained why there's no Fall of the Titans, and I have plenty of similar cards to Flame Rift already that are beautiful foils.

August 3, 2017 9:34 p.m.

Hey, man! I absolutely love this list. I see you had the original intent I did, going creatureless, but fell into the trap I did, finding too many creatures with nice synergy to continue that original plan.

I feel I understand this combo, but want to be sure I am not making any assumptions along the way.

  • Combo in QuestionI do not use Furnace of Rath anymore, substituting out for Dictate of the Twin Gods. The doubling of damage is being handled by Furnace of Rath, and the two moments where damage is reflected is per Satyr Firedancer and Repercussion, right?
  • August 7, 2017 3:34 p.m.

    My original plan wasn't actually to be creatureless as there were some I always wanted to play like Prophetic Flamespeaker and Coalhauler Swine among others. There's still only 50% or less of the creatures in a typical EDH deck so I'm happy with the result.

    Yeah most people would probably rather play Dictate of Furnace for the damage doubling but I like the OG and the extra devotion. Feels really red. Also, since I'm trying to burn everyone up, a furnace seems appropriate. But yeah it sounds like you got the combos down. I think I explained it in the description too right? If you love the list, I'd appreciate your upvote to keep getting Neheb more visibility on the site! Thanks for commenting.

    August 7, 2017 3:50 p.m.

    Antwaan33 says... #61

    August 7, 2017 4 p.m.

    Antwaan33 says... #62

    Also got a bunch of the cards for the deck, its half way to being done.

    August 7, 2017 4:02 p.m.

    Antwaan33 I'd rather turn my mana into an extra card draw each turn. I'm not trying to get in for Commander damage in this deck and I couldn't care less about Neheb being blocked usually due to his Afflict ability. Or just because attacking isn't very important all the time anyways.

    August 7, 2017 4:12 p.m.

    Antwaan33 says... #64

    Oh ok i see

    August 7, 2017 4:26 p.m.

    chaosxo says... #65

    This build is pretty crazy. Could you possibly critique my deck Eternal Burn???

    August 18, 2017 12:52 a.m.

    Crazy in a good way hopefully? If you like it I'd appreciate an upvote. I'll take a look.

    August 18, 2017 7:42 a.m.

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