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Gaddock Teeg Discussion
6 days ago
Hey SaberTech, thanks for the comment and the upvote!
I like your tips! I did come across Knollspine Dragon before. Will put that on my list to consider. Shalai, Voice of Plenty is a great option indeed for protection. I'm now running Gaddock Teeg as a similar card, but they are quite complementary in what they defend from. Will also consider that one.
I have a Sword of Feast and Famine and I agree it fits the deck very well. However, I like it that this deck is not running any super expensive staples yet outside of the lands, so I'm going to start with the current setup and see from there. Nature's Will might make the cut in its stead, but I'll have to give it some thought.
I actually wasn't aware yet of that synergy between Kessig Wolf Run and intrepid hero. Sweet tech :).
Thanks for all the great tips!
3 weeks ago
I actually debated whether or not I should have titled it 'cEDH' or not because it's not technically optimized for actual tournament play (being that Karador is obsolete these days). But the deck itself is still decently powerful and I wanted the title to reflect that. I look at it more as an amalgamation of a fully optimized cEDH Karador list, and a toolbox attrition list you see many people use him for. Good but not great, and leaves room for variability in gameplay.
The landbase is higher (to facilitate the value-engine I mentioned with card like The Gitrog Monster and Ramunap Excavator etc... I've toyed with manadorks in the past and prefer creatures that die to produce mana like Wood Elves and Sakura-Tribe Elder , they also curve out better with Birthing Pod but I might try them again in the future.
I definitely agree that hatebears can be insanely useful, but I prefer grinding out value in lieu of shutting down people simply because it works for me in my meta. I'd rather use higher CMC creatures that utilize spot-removal and grind out value more longterm, rather than static effects. The only hatebear absolutely necessary in my list is Grand Abolisher , though Gaddock Teeg and Linvala, Keeper of Silence might be slotted in eventually (probably replacing Aven Mindcensor ).
Appreciate the feedback!
1 month ago
Have you heard of Whitemane Lion ? With Chulane it's a 2 mana repeatable instant speed growth spiral. On a similar note Stonecloaker does a similar thing however it also eats cards from graves at instant speed. If you're feeling spiky you can combine these cards with Aluren to draw your entire library and drop every land into play. It shouldn't be hard to win from there with Laboratory Maniac , Jace, Wielder of Mysteries , or even Altar of the Brood . Just remember Chulane's ability is mandatory so you'll have to remove him before you go for the win or you might draw yourself to death.
There are a few hate cards I'm surprised you haven't included like Gaddock Teeg , Remorseful Cleric , Containment Priest , Leonin Arbiter , Linvala, Keeper of Silence , Rest in Peace , Archon of Valor's Reach , and Aura Shards . The newer Ranger-Captain of Eos pulls his weight as well by grabbing dorks and accessory creatures like Giant Killer while having the ability to entirely shut down non-creature spells which is great for comboing out that turn or just preventing a board wipe from an opponent on their turn.
Simple tax effects as well give you lots of time to set up Chulane and start slamming creatures down for some great value. Cards like Aura of Silence , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Vryn Wingmare , Thorn of Amethyst , Suppression Field , Kataki, War's Wage , Energy Flux , etc.
I think flash is the greatest strength a creature based deck can have so I suggest trying out Vivien, Champion of the Wilds , Vedalken Orrery , Leyline of Anticipation , or Yeva, Nature's Herald to go alongside your Teferi.
Lastly you should include Eternal Witness as some grave recursion and you can abuse the body via bonce or Sun Titan.
1 month ago
And there goes 50% - 80% of most decks.
1 month ago
1 month ago
I'd like to know if that works out or not. I suggested a similar idea to my playgroup, but they told me "I want to build an Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and Gaddock Teeg deck, but you would build a too degenerate deck." As if Norn + Teeg isn't degenerate!
1 month ago
So before I get to suggestions, I want to mention that I think your deck is beautiful. I love the idea of getting the whole thing painted... looks great so far.
I think you should consider Mystic Remora . It may take you a while to get your general down, and Mystic Remora can keep your opponents from playing long enough for you to build up some mana. Or, if they're inexperienced, it can easily be an Ancestral Recall .
You should consider running some more mana-dorks -- they're the main reason to run green, since they'll speed you up like crazy. Deathrite Shaman and Birds of Paradise are the best ones (so crops for running them) but I'd also run things like Elves of Deep Shadow , Fyndhorn Elves and Arbor Elf . Note that using things like Wild Growth and Utopia Sprawl will get Arbor Elf to tap for two mana.
I think Nature's Lore is probably better than your Kodama's Reach . I say this because, with 36 lands, you'll usually already have a land in hand when you cast Kodama's Reach , making the to-hand tutor effect less potent. Also, Nature's Lore is two mana and searches an untapped (and not necessarily basic) land, meaning it is effectively one mana on the turn you cast it. If you want to get spicy, Three Visits is a functional reprint for a lot more money.
You may wish to consider Life from the Loam and/or Ramunap Excavator redundant Crucible of Worlds es. I've had good success with both, not least because artifact-removal is frequently harder to dodge than creature-removal in EDH metas.
Sultai colors have a lot of room for disruption. Two favorites of mine are Narset, Parter of Veils and Ashiok, Dream Render . (I honestly think War of the Spark was a mistake.) Both of these cards prohibit your opponents from taking very common actions in Magic, meaning they pin down most decks very well. Worth noting is that Narset, Parter of Veils also builds card advantage, and Ashiok, Dream Render doubles as graveyard hate. If you pair Windfall with Narset, Parter of Veils , you can win on the spot; same is true with your Notion Thief .
Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers and Compost may be worth considering. Most metas are at lest 40% blue, at a table of four you'll usually get good value out of Carpet of Flowers . Black is the second most powerful color, so Compost is also frequently useful.
I've never been a fan of Palinchron -loops for infinite mana, since the card seems way more expensive than infinite-mana loops need to be. I think the current best infinite mana combo available is Dramatic Reversal on Isochron Scepter while you have more than 2 mana in rocks or dorks out, and Power Artifact on Grim Monolith also works. Note that Dramatic Reversal is fetchable with your Spellseeker , and that the artifacts are way easier to tutor than creatures (see Whir of Invention , Transmute Artifact , Fabricate , Reshape and friends).
There're a few piece of interaction I think you're missing. Force of Negation is an A card, and Veil of Summer is an easy A+. Nature's Claim is an excellent piece of spot removal; notably, it is stopped by Mental Misstep , which I also think you should run. A mana-free counter for Sol Ring s and Swords to Plowshares es is pretty good, especially with such a 'KILL ME' general. I also think Toxic Deluge is frequently better than Damnation , since it offers more selection with what to kill and can still be cast with Gaddock Teeg on the board.
Lim-Dul's Vault is a tutor to consider.
Finally, Windgrace's Judgment and Casualties of War are good ways to get multi-for-ones in your colors. I've had more luck with Windgrace's Judgment (if only because it's an instant), but both may be worth trying.
1 month ago
The deck looks like it has too many cards that don't impact the board ( Eladamri's Call , Noxious Revival , etc.) and could use some action cards. I don't know exactly what those might be, but maybe switch out a few tutors or win more cards (like Ayula, Queen Among Bears ) for some disruptive creatures/enchantments ( Gaddock Teeg , Collector Ouphe , Suppression Field , whatever you think you need).
Gaddock Teeg occurrence in decks from the last year
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