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Gaddock Teeg Discussion
3 days ago
kamarupa: Thanks for the comment!
I am gonna have to look into Time of Need. Initially I was going to say I can't run it because not all the creatures I look for are legendary, and I need to be able to put the creature into play with it. When I think about it more, the vast majority of creatures I try to grab are Legendary, and running 3x Eldritch Evolution MB and 1x SB has actually been too many, so I think I will playtest at least 1x ToN in place of the SB one. The idea there is if I bring in one of the SB creatures, I also bring in the tutor, rather than run 2x of that particular creature in the sideboard.
Funnily enough, I actually playtested a 1x Shalai, Voice of Plenty in the MB today in place of the Pegasus Courser, and a Thalia, Heretic Cathar in place of the Obelisk Spider and was really happy with them both. I think Shalai is definitely going to have a place in the deck, possibly in addition to the Leylines. Thalia I think is just going to be in the MB.
I tried running Slaughter the Strong a long time ago when the deck was just Abzan, but when I switched to 4+ color I stopped running it. I think it is worth revisiting again, especially since it gets in under Gaddock Teeg.
Throne of the God-Pharaoh is a strict upgrade to Raid Bombardment in here, and I wish I would have caught your comment before I went to FNM because it is a much better fit. I hardly ever lose creatures on my turn anyway, so in that sense they are equal, but the fact that Throne can proc off of tapped Birds of Paradise, and there are a few control decks in my meta that are constantly tapping Doran down, Throne definitely ends up being a better fit. On top of all of that there's no color requirement, and it's 1 mana less and smooths out the deck even more. Great suggestion.
Thanks again for commenting, that gives me a lot to think about!
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
Very cool deck! I've been reading the primer since yesterday and see if this direction is one where I want to take my Karametra Landfall deck. I noticed you added in two 5 CMC planeswalkers. Are you confident you can get them out fast enough with all the natural ramp in the deck? How early do you usually try and get Gaddock Teeg out so he doesn't affect you playing these walkers?
3 weeks ago
How effective is Gaddock Teeg in a Stax builds for cEDH? I would figure cEDH decks don’t run very many spells with cmc 4+ other than Ad Nauseam and the only spells regularly run are Stroke of Genius, Blue Sun's Zenith, and Green Sun's Zenith.
4 weeks ago
I really hope you do!!!!! I will warn you though that we have some awful matchups, most notably infect, but if you do make the deck and ever need any advise feel free to ask me I would be more than happy to discuss!!!!!!
SynergyBuild covered some of the basics with what Slaughter Pact is good against. To be a bit more broad and specific, pact comes in against pretty much every aggro deck bar Hollow One and Vengevine and even then there is an argument for it just for tempo's sake. A key matchup for it is infect. Infect is already by far our worst matchup however the important thing to note about that deck is that it tends to go all out on one creature, Slaughter Pact is our quick, often painless with Angel's Grace, answer to this problem and has the potential to steal a game postboard, a feat that is nearly impossible for us against infect. Affinity, as mentioned previously has the potential to kill in one hit with Arcbound Ravager or the other notable option being Inkmoth Nexus, pact answers these. Personally I am a fan of bringing it in against humans for a couple reasons: first, it can wipe out a large Champion of the Parish. Some additional lines are very interesting, for example let's say our opponent has a Meddling Mage naming Ad Nauseam in play, we have 6 mana with Angel's Grace and Ad Nauseam in hand (or alternatively already have Phyrexian Unlife in play. On our opponents end step, or when they commit, we can Slaughter Pact the Meddling Mage unlocking the combo and win at instant speed. In other words, Slaughter Pact makes it so we don't need to fear the most disruptive parts of modern's most played deck. This same line of thinking can be applied with a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben in play though with this it should be noted that 7 mana if comboing with Angel's Grace and 6 if Phyrexian Unlife is in play is needed as Pact will cost 1. Other problem creatures it can deal with efficiently before we win are Eidolon of Rhetoric, Phyrexian Revoker, Gaddock Teeg, and Ethersworn Canonist. I hope that answers your question some. In many ways it is there for cheap removal, but its being free also has certain implications as outlined above.
1 month ago
Ignore the question concerning Gaddock Teeg. I saw where you answered the question.
1 month ago
I did not see anyone mention Gaddock Teeg.
1 month ago
The problem with building a deck around Aminatou’s -6 is that it requires a ton of effort to set up without really winning you the game. I would much rather combo off or add pieces that will advance the deck’s game-play instead.
Hate bears are cards that prevent other players from playing specific types of cards. Gaddock Teeg, Null Rod, and Stony Silence are some examples. If you want to lock people down, maybe use cards like Winter Orb, Static Orb, Blind Obedience, etc. Again, read up on stax. Not saying it is the only way to make the deck but it seems that is where you want to take it.