Creature — Zombie
Whenever Vengeful Dead or another Zombie dies, each opponent loses 1 life.
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Vengeful Dead Discussion
5 months ago
Wall of Blood does wonders in my buddy's Gisa build. These might be good too: Crashing Drawbridge, Junkyo Bell, Pitiless Plunderer, Zulaport Cutthroat, Vengeful Dead, Dark Prophecy, Aetherworks Marvel, Thousand-Year Elixir, Magewright's Stone
5 months ago
I think Phyrexian Altar would be an all-star here if your budget allows. It will single-handedly combo off with Nev if you have 5 other creatures (sac all dudes + Nev, use the mana to replay Nev, repeat).
Pitiless Plunderer is also very strong but would need a sac outlet to go infinite.
These may interest you too: Zulaport Cutthroat, Innocent Blood, Cauldron of Souls, Corpse Knight, Liliana's Standard Bearer, Plague Belcher, Vengeful Dead, Blood Pet, Anointed Procession, Panharmonicon, Kindred Discovery, Liliana's Triumph, Mire in Misery, Priest of Forgotten Gods
Personally I would cut these: Vicious Conquistador, Caged Zombie, Rotting Mastodon, Omnispell Adept, Raise Dead, Pressure Point, Revitalize, Murder, Bad Deal, Sphinx of the Second Sun, Maalfeld Twins, Meletis Charlatan, Lotleth Giant, Divinity of Pride, Rings of Brighthearth, Dramatic Reversal
8 months ago
I have a guide/repository for card-draw cards if you want to peruse it. You may find some cards with more synergies that you like. Weight of Memory can be decent for self-mill strategies, etc. EDH Card-Draw Master List
As for cuts... let's see...
I don't love Forgotten Creation, personally. I always felt like I had non-creatures I wanted to keep in my hand all the time. Your deck is a bit more creature-heavy than mine, so perhaps it's pulling its weight.
You have the necessary components for Gravecrawler combos, but not a ton of tutors to make them reliable to get out. As such, perhaps one of the weaker payoffs for that can go, such as Vengeful Dead or Plague Belcher. If you're using Buried Alive to find the pieces then you'll only ever need one, and Diregraf Captain is an excellent choice. That said, your deck is fairly token-heavy so perhaps the incidental groupslug is being underappreciated by me.
Personally I think Endless Ranks of the Dead is a bit of a trap unless you're all-in on the token strategy, such as a Ghoulcaller Gisa or Sidisi, Brood Tyrant zombie deck. Very fun, but a bit win-more unless you can really make it pop off. I've never been satisfied with it's performance in my deck, but you're going wider than I do so perhaps it's fine. Something to think about though.
It all kind of depends on how much you're self-milling. You have a decent amount, but you aren't exactly going all-in. As such, Grimoire of the Dead may be a liability. I have played around with that card in some of my decks and it just seems to get removed before it works. When it did I usually won the game, though. It's fun, but unreliable. Rise of the Dark Realms is obviously more reliable but it's very pricey.
I never found the self-mill in my deck as useful as regular card-draw. There's not a ton of point to have 15 zombies in the graveyard if you only want to cast one or two of them over and over. There are payoffs, of course, but to me it feels like being in the middle-ground is way worse than being all-in or having minimal self-mill. I just hate milling over answers or Rooftop Storm!
I don't think you're running enough to make Nightscape Familiar worth it.
Honestly, I don't love Havengul Lich a ton. The color restriction makes it hard to use and you have lots of ways to bring out your own zombies already. He's better in a more mill-your-opponents strategy IMO.
Tymaret Calls the Dead is a bit of a weaker card. Exiling your own zombies is a bit of a non-bo (unless your self-mill strategy is really rolling). The lifegain can be nice but I'd rather run Whip of Erebos if that's the goal, or a better card-draw card if that's the goal.
8 months ago
1 year ago
Hey, I don't want you to feel like you're being ganged up in the comments of your deck. I am and Arcaia also are simply trying to get you to better understand card quality. When you have such a high budget then card quality becomes an excellent way to improve your deck because you don't have to worry as much about the cost of a deck which lets you play the best cards and cut the subpar ones.
First let me start by saying I've been wrong saying to cut Havengul Lich. Not for reasons you're describing, but because it's a combo piece. Overall for five mana Havengul is not a good card, but with Zombies it's a combo with Rooftop Storm + Phyrexian Altar/Ashnod's Altar to cast all the Zombies on your turn from all graveyards. Add any other card that cares about casting spells, creatures dying or creatures ETB for lots of value. Use Sidisi, Undead Vizier with this combo to tutor for Gravecrawler and then Diregraf Captain as the win condition. Or simply loop cast/sac Vengeful Dead/Gray Merchant of Asphodel as a win condition.
Arcaia explained Havengul, activated abilities have a colon ( : ) in the text. The ability on the card has a cost first, then a : and last an effect ( [Cost]: [Effect] ). Sometimes the cost requires tapping the creature which will show a on the left side of the colon. If there isn't a colon then it's not an activated ability.
Arcaia left out one thing when explaining Havengul, you can't use an activated ability for a creature for only one mana without support. Instead it's one mana to activate Havengul, then you have to pay additional mana to cast the creature. Overall Havengul for a five drop requires a lot of additional mana to get anything meaningful from it which lowers the quality of the card a lot. That's why Havengul has good interaction with Rooftop Storm and Zombies since Rooftop takes away needing to pay mana to cast the Zombie after you activate Havengul.
With Rooftop and Havengul you can indeed for one mana cast a Zombie from a graveyard. And each Zombie you cast for the turn from a graveyard only costs one mana. This lets you cast as many Zombies in graveyards equal to as much mana you have available. Havengul is good with Rooftop, but only with Rooftop, that makes it less good as a five drop overall, less quality than some other fives drops that are also in the deck.
Good job winning with Gravecrawler, it's most likely the best Zombie in Magic. This will be my last comment here.
1 year ago
Hey, looks like your going for a Zombie tribal theme.
Going to have to make some sacrifices of five drop Zombies and here's some advice. Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Gray Merchant of Asphodel and The Scarab God are the only three you need the rest could be cut. Muldrotha, Grave Titan, Rooftop Storm and Liliana, Dreadhorde General are the only six drops you need.
I have a Zombie tribal Muldrotha deck that I made last year, Zombie Grave Wave (Budget). My deck is budget, $200, but it could give you some ideas and you can replace the budget alternatives I'm using with more expensive price cards that you have. More advice to improve your deck is to include Gravecrawler infinite combos since it's a Zombie.
Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar + Diregraf Captain/Plague Belcher/Bontu's Monument/Blood Artist/Vengeful Dead is an infinite combo to make all your opponents lose life. Sac Gravecrawler with Altar, use the one black mana to cast Gravecrawler from your graveyard and repeat. Gravecrawler + Altar is infinite casts of Gravecrawler from your graveyard which can be used with other cards. Diregraf Colossus is infinite 2/2 Zombies. Undead Augur/Secrets of the Dead/Guardian Project can draw into a win condition. Kill all your opponents creatures with Grave Pact.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Evolving Wilds
- Cabal Stronghold: don't need this land since you have Coffers.
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Golgari Rot Farm
- Simic Growth Chamber
- Font of Fertility
- Curse of Disturbance
- Curse of Predation
- Curse of Death's Hold
- Curse of Misfortunes
- Cruel Reality
- Door of Destinies
- Springbloom Druid
- Vile Rebirth
- Casualties of War
- Geralf's Mindcrusher
- Vulturous Zombie
- Perpetual Timepiece
- Gilded Lotus
- Amulet of Vigor: not worth playing just to have Bounce lands ETB untapped.
- Soulless One
- Gravebreaker Lamia
- Havengul Lich
- Nyxbloom Ancient
- Grave Betrayal
- Deadbridge Chant
- Bow of Nylea
- Greater Good
- Sultai Ascendancy
- Eternal Skylord
- Underrealm Lich
- Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
- God-Eternal Bontu
- God-Eternal Rhonas
- Fallen Shinobi
- Unbreathing Horde
- Black Market
- Corpse Harvester
To also make room for more lands and other card upgrades this is more than 13 card suggestions to consider cutting. Many of these suggestions are good cards, but are very much outclassed by other better cards in your deck already or you could add with such a high budget.
20x total lands is not enough for a functioning Commander deck. Want at least 30-36 lands depending on how high the avg. CMC of your deck is and how many additional mana sources you include. The current avg. CMC is 3.7 which is too high. What's making it this high is too many high CMC Zombies especially five drops.
I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Okay so here's a bunch of suggestions that fit Gyruda's requirement and then some things to then take out.
Put in: Arcane Signet, Wake the Dead, Gravespawn Sovereign, Embalmer's Tools, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Disciple of Bolas, Forgotten Creation, Notion Thief, Oversold Cemetery, Skull Prophet, Clever Impersonator, Garruk Relentless Flip, The Cauldron of Eternity, Sire of Stagnation, and Razaketh, the Foulblooded. The cards in your maybeboard seem good too.
In terms of land, there are a lot of cheap options to include that will make a three color deck a lot better: Choked Estuary, Sunken Hollow, Botanical Sanctum, Blooming Marsh, Fetid Pools, Hissing Quagmire, Drowned Catacomb, Hinterland Harbor, Woodland Cemetery, Bad River, Ash Barrens, Dakmor Salvage, Exotic Orchard, Witch's Cottage, and stuff like that. Replace the guildgates and bounce lands and a few basics with those if you can.
And lastly if you want to run the petitioners then you should put more of them in, otherwise having just 8 won't do a whole lot for you most of the time other than for fun.