Vengeful Dead

Vengeful Dead

Creature — Zombie

Whenever Vengeful Dead or another Zombie dies, each opponent loses 1 life.

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Metroid_Hybrid on Perfecting Vintage Yawgmoth combo

2 months ago

As the title suggests, I am trying to make the strongest Yawgmoth Undying combo deck that I can manage. However, after the release of the "Time Spiral Remastered" (TSR) set I decided to convert said deck into a "PreModern" one. Now one look at the combo itself would indicate that this goal would be technically impossible, as only one card was originally printed before Eighth Edition (Vengeful Dead), and at this point only two have been "Timeshifted" (Yawgmoth, Thran Physician & Zulaport Cutthroat). But with a few exceptions aside, anything that isn't a part of the main Undying-loop combo must be either PreModern/pre-(8ED) or "Timeshifted". This has obviously limited the resources available to me, but I've been off & on working on this by myself for some time now, and I think I have honed this to be as strong as possible given the aforementioned restrictions. I've even gone so far as buying my first & only copies of Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, and Yawgmoth's Will, as well as including all four of the original Mono-Black "Tutors" (Demonic, Vampiric, Grim, & Diabolic), and no, I am not about to drop four figures on a copy of Imperial Seal..

The only other viable option that I consciously haven't included, which someone suggested since I'm running Leyline of the Void (and now Dauthi Voidwalker) is Helm of Obedience. But I'm hesitant to include the Helm, as it would be worthless distraction without the Leyline or Voidwalker..

This is where you, the T/O community, comes into play.

A) Should I buy a copy of Helm of Obedience, and if so, what should it replace?

B) Are there any other PreModern/"Timeshifted" cards that you think would improve this deck's chances at a high-powered/competitive table, and if so, what should it replace?

and/or...

C) This deck originally had Infect as a secondary WinCon, but what would you think about the original five PreModern proto-Infect cards available? (Swamp Mosquito, Pit Scorpion, Suq'Ata Assassin, Crypt Cobra, & Serpent Generator) Would you include any of them, and if so, what should it/they replace? (Personally I think it would be hilarious)

Obviously I would rather replace any "post-Modern"/post-(M15) cards before any Modern/post-(8ED) cards, and to maximize the number of PreModern cards as much as possible..

PreModern > Timeshifted > Modern/post-(8ED) > post-Modern/post-(M15)


Yawgmoth - mk_I (Vintage Phyrexia)

Commander / EDH Metroid_Hybrid

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bisounours on Wilhelt and his graveyard

5 months ago

The deck tries to be fast. More manas (and stones), creatures and draw. Limited counter spells and control.

it has the nice combos for infinite life loss, any of the following combination, depending on what’s on your board Ashnod's Altar + Diregraf Captain + Gravecrawler or alternatively, you can use Phyrexian Altar Diregraf Captain + Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar

You can adapt this combo with other cards than the Diregraf Captain. For example with:

Champion of the Perished or Carrion Feeder for an infinite strength creature

Vengeful Dead or Plague Belcher for infinite life loss

Tormod, the Desecrator or Headless Rider for infinite zombie tokens

If you don’t have the Gravecrawler on the board you may run these combos with nice zombies having LTB or ETB capacities but then you need a card with the sacrifice capacity like Carrion Feeder and a card to play it back from your graveyard such as Havengul Lich or Gisa and Geralf. Let’s take the Gray Merchant of Asphodel for example:

Gray Merchant of Asphodel + Ashnod's Altar + Havengul Lich + Rooftop Storm for infinite life loss, infinite life gain. you can either use Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar depending on what's on your board.

Enchantments like Dictate of Erebos or Necroduality or The Meathook Massacre just make things worst.

Finally, I thought it could be nice to give some additional features to our Zombies such as flying with Geralf, Visionary Stitcher or Eldrazi Monument

multimedia on Undead Unleashed upgraded 10-10-21

7 months ago

Hey, well done with the upgrades of the precon. For less than $150 total deck price you've added Gravecrawler, Acererak, Stitcher, Blasting, Noxious, Belcher and Buried, that's impressive.

Vengeful Dead is another Zombie aristocrat as a win condition for the combos. Apprentice Necromancer can reanimate Stitcher on your last opponent's end step for one black mana to then on your next upkeep potentially flip into Factory. With Wilhelt when Necromancer dies it creates a Zombie token which might be the third token you need to flip into Factory.

I think you've cut down too many lands since 33 is a low number when the most important cards and interactions take a lot of mana. Consider cutting a few of the higher CMC cards to add a few more lands and some more ramp? Talisman of Dominance is in the precon and Mind Stone or Thought Vessel would give you two more low CMC ramp sources.

Esper Panorama can search for a basic Island or a basic Swamp. Mystic Sanctuary is an Island and it lets you recur an instant or sorcery to cast it again. Ice Tunnel is another Island dual land for Wonder.

Something the precon has is a lot of 5 CMC or higher cards and you haven't really changed this. The high end is very loaded in the precon and here with 22 cards that are 5 CMC or higher. You've added Noxious and Mob; these along with Rooftop, Apocalypse, Bidding, Parting, Hordewing, Harvester and Liliana are the better cards. Some of the others could be cut for more lands, ramp and instant protection.

You have very little instant interaction and no counterspell/other protection to protect from opponent exile effects as well as to protect the combo when you want to go off. Counterspell, Lazotep Plating and Arcane Denial would be helpful.


Some changes to consider:

Good luck with your deck.

Poly_raptor on Dead and Back Again, A Necromancer's Tale

8 months ago

What about Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for gross mana with cabal coffers?

Vengeful Deadcould also be neat if you like adding to your zombie tribal.

king-saproling on Nevinyrral's Last Stand

1 year ago

I think Phyrexian Altar would be an all-star here if your budget allows. It will single-handedly combo off with Nev if you have 5 other creatures (sac all dudes + Nev, use the mana to replay Nev, repeat).

Pitiless Plunderer is also very strong but would need a sac outlet to go infinite.

These may interest you too: Zulaport Cutthroat, Innocent Blood, Cauldron of Souls, Corpse Knight, Liliana's Standard Bearer, Plague Belcher, Vengeful Dead, Blood Pet, Anointed Procession, Panharmonicon, Kindred Discovery, Liliana's Triumph, Mire in Misery, Priest of Forgotten Gods

Personally I would cut these: Vicious Conquistador, Caged Zombie, Rotting Mastodon, Omnispell Adept, Raise Dead, Pressure Point, Revitalize, Murder, Bad Deal, Sphinx of the Second Sun, Maalfeld Twins, Meletis Charlatan, Lotleth Giant, Divinity of Pride, Rings of Brighthearth, Dramatic Reversal

Optimator on Gisa and Geralf EDH V.2.2

1 year ago

I have a guide/repository for card-draw cards if you want to peruse it. You may find some cards with more synergies that you like. Weight of Memory can be decent for self-mill strategies, etc. EDH Card-Draw Master List


As for cuts... let's see...

I don't love Forgotten Creation, personally. I always felt like I had non-creatures I wanted to keep in my hand all the time. Your deck is a bit more creature-heavy than mine, so perhaps it's pulling its weight.

You have the necessary components for Gravecrawler combos, but not a ton of tutors to make them reliable to get out. As such, perhaps one of the weaker payoffs for that can go, such as Vengeful Dead or Plague Belcher. If you're using Buried Alive to find the pieces then you'll only ever need one, and Diregraf Captain is an excellent choice. That said, your deck is fairly token-heavy so perhaps the incidental groupslug is being underappreciated by me.

I don't really love Ancient Excavation or Compelling Deterrence.

Personally I think Endless Ranks of the Dead is a bit of a trap unless you're all-in on the token strategy, such as a Ghoulcaller Gisa or Sidisi, Brood Tyrant zombie deck. Very fun, but a bit win-more unless you can really make it pop off. I've never been satisfied with it's performance in my deck, but you're going wider than I do so perhaps it's fine. Something to think about though.

It all kind of depends on how much you're self-milling. You have a decent amount, but you aren't exactly going all-in. As such, Grimoire of the Dead may be a liability. I have played around with that card in some of my decks and it just seems to get removed before it works. When it did I usually won the game, though. It's fun, but unreliable. Rise of the Dark Realms is obviously more reliable but it's very pricey.

I never found the self-mill in my deck as useful as regular card-draw. There's not a ton of point to have 15 zombies in the graveyard if you only want to cast one or two of them over and over. There are payoffs, of course, but to me it feels like being in the middle-ground is way worse than being all-in or having minimal self-mill. I just hate milling over answers or Rooftop Storm!

I don't think you're running enough to make Nightscape Familiar worth it.

Honestly, I don't love Havengul Lich a ton. The color restriction makes it hard to use and you have lots of ways to bring out your own zombies already. He's better in a more mill-your-opponents strategy IMO.

Tymaret Calls the Dead is a bit of a weaker card. Exiling your own zombies is a bit of a non-bo (unless your self-mill strategy is really rolling). The lifegain can be nice but I'd rather run Whip of Erebos if that's the goal, or a better card-draw card if that's the goal.

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