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Teferi's Puzzle Box
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player puts the cards in his or her hand on the bottom of his or her library in any order, then draws that many cards.
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Teferi's Puzzle Box Discussion
on King Thief
2 weeks ago
Your brew is very similar to my Breya thief. I would recommend trying out Teferi's Puzzle Box . It's an absolute unit in this kind of deck. Also where is Gilded Drake ? It's so good in cEDH and is on theme to boot!
1 month ago
Notion Thief is a favourite of mine for grixis builds. Teferi's Puzzle Box is good for the notion thief too. Narset, Parter of Veils locks people out with the puzzlebox as another combo. I know it's not your gimmick, but they're still useful.
1 month ago
I would remove the following cards and replace them with the following, following cards: (I think that makes sense) Remove: Kozilek, Butcher of Truth , Captain Lannery Storm , Commander's Sphere , Blink of an Eye , and possibly Narset, Parter of Veils . Replace Arcane Signet , Teferi's Puzzle Box , Reforge the Soul , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and maybe some more ramp. But the biggest change you could do that might make it better is use Nekusar, the Mindrazer as the commander. This way you could use all the amazing black tutors, and still combo off with Niv Mizzet, and still have a wheel commander. Some tutors you could use are here: Vampiric Tutor , Demonic Tutor , Beseech the Queen , Diabolic Tutor , Mastermind's Acquisition , Cruel Tutor , Dark Petition , Dimir Machinations , Final Parting , Grim Tutor , Imperial Seal , and more. This way, you could tutor for either of the Niv Mizzets, and one of the combos to win! All the while keeping your wheel theme. I don't know about you, but that's what I would do.
1 month ago
CrustyCraig, looked over the list and it looks really good! There were no cards in there that were surprises to me and it looks like you have all of the major combos; I'll look forward to hearing of your experience with it :)
As for Teferi's Puzzle Box , I know it seems super good in Grenzo (and it can be), but I've personally found it underwhelming. Here are my reasons:
A four mana do nothing artifact is hard to justify
It's an additional noncreature in the list that can result in a dead flip. It's also not recurrable from Goblin Engineer which could be relevant.
If your hand size is already low and you end up drawing 3+ lands, you're screwing yourself over on the next turn.
Those are the main reasons that I don't personally run it.
1 month ago
snowfox54119 I love your Grenzo Build! I plan on building my own version with slight variations, and I was wondering if you could tell me how my deck looks so far! I'd love to know if there was anything major that I was missing.
Also, what do you think about Teferi's Puzzle Box ? I know it's considered a staple for grenzo, but is it worth the artifact slot?
1 month ago
Cut a swamp and plains and add one of the following
Smokestack just because.
Teferi's Puzzle Box for the hardlock with Narset.
Contamination fits snuggly under Zur.
Sevinne's Reclamation Sun Titan in spell form.
2 months ago
Trinket Mage can find Sol Ring so it's like a 4 CMC ramp 2 spell. Also finds Library of Leng or Spellbook . Tribute Mage can find Lightning Greaves and friends, as well as ramp in a pinch. Trophy Mage can find Ashnod's Altar which may or may not be worth it but there it is. Treasure Mage doesn't help you much.
I wish you could find that Fabricate I gifted you way back! It seems to me that tutoring for Coat of Arms or Bident of Thassa (or even Teferi's Puzzle Box if you're up against the right deck) would be huge. 3 mana draw 1 awesome card is A-OK
2 months ago
In my experience fiddling around with Nekusar, Font of Mythos , Master of the Feast , and Jace Beleren are incredibly mediocre. Nekusar already has a big issue in that he helps other players either draw into their combo pieces or draw into the cards they need to stop you. While these effects might look symmetrical, since you're getting the same bonus as everyone else, that's not the right way to think about them. Effectively, they're "you draw a card, and your opponents draw 3 cards"--you only get one chance to draw the card you need, but there are three chances for someone to draw into the card someone else needs to stop you.
Forced Fruition is also in the same boat, but is particularly awful. Yes, they'll likely take 14 damage, but by digging 7 deep, they're extremely likely to find the piece of removal they need or the cards they need to win the game. In my experience, Forced Fruition pretty much reads "your opponent loses a bunch of life, but it doesn't matter since they still won."
I have also found Psychic Corrosion effects to be pretty lackluster--you're unlikely to mill out the opponent before you kill them through damage, so it's just a dead card slot most of the time.
You also seemed to have added two copies of Torment of Hailfire by mistake.
Now onto things to add:
Library of Leng is absolutely fantastic with wheel effects, as it allows you to engineer better hands by sending your dead cards to the graveyard, but keeping cards you want to use.
Teferi's Puzzle Box disrupts a number of shenanigans such as tutoring and also nets you a decent amount of damage each turn.
Phyresis on Nekusar is devastating and can quickly close out a game.
Helm of the Ghastlord is a bit expensive to cast, but provides incredible card advantage when placed on Nekusar, and causes them to discard every time they draw (which is directly on with your theme). When combined with a wheel effect, they have to discard every card they draw, effectively locking them out of playing any non-instant for the rest of the game.
Hope some of that helps!
Teferi's Puzzle Box occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%