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Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Legendary Creature — Ogre Warrior
Whenever a creature an opponent controls attacks, if you're the defending player, create a 3/3 red Ogre creature token unless that creature's controller pays .
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Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs Discussion
3 months ago
I looked at Grid Monitor , the problem I have is its a 4/6.. thats a bit of a beast to be giving away. I guess if I had some Propaganda or Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs out it might not be that bad. I know I originally discarded it because of the high P/T and because there is almost always a bigger creature on the board so it is easy enough for someone to attack with it just so it will die.
Psychic Possession however is really nice, might have to find a spot for it in here. I have recently been thinking about getting rid of Assault Suit as I dont have good enough creatures to give away. And this might make a nice replacement.
Thanks for the view and thoughts
4 months ago
"One-card wincons" to consider: Insurrection , Expropriate , Painful Quandary , Rise of the Dark Realms , Revel in Riches , Cut / Ribbons . Perhaps Clone Legion , Rite of Replication , Mogis, God of Slaughter , Hour of Promise , Blatant Thievery , Grave Betrayal , or Mind's Dilation .
One thing to think about is getting Nicol Bolas flipped and maybe joined by the other planeswalkers and casting Obliterate , Jokulhaups , Devastation , or Decree of Annihilation . Almost guaranteed ultimates. Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God would be the best--proxy for now and include in first build?
Boardwipes: Toxic Deluge , Black Sun's Zenith , Hour of Devastation , Decree of Pain , Curse of the Swine , In Garruk's Wake , Deadly Tempest , Evacuation , Nevinyrral's Disk , Last One Standing , Perilous Vault , Oblivion Stone , Kindred Dominance , Necromantic Selection , Subterranean Tremors
Removal: Capsize , Bedevil , Hero's Downfall , Chaos Warp , Kolaghan's Command , Reality Shift , Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Vraska's Contempt , Rakdos Charm , Price of Fame , In Bolas's Clutches , Plaguecrafter , Merciless Executioner , Fleshbag Marauder , Unstable Obelisk , Vandalblast , By Force , Shatterstorm , Hostage Taker , Yawgmoth's Vile Offering , Settle the Score , Dark Impostor , Hour of Glory , Sever the Bloodline , Silence the Believers , Spread the Sickness , Slave of Bolas , Electrodominance
Draw: (I would add Erebos once you're home) Patient Rebuilding , Phyrexian Arena , Greed , Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Notion Thief , Windfall , Mystical Tutor , Blue Sun's Zenith , Pull from Tomorrow , Stroke of Genius , Braingeyser , Mind Spring , Expansion / Explosion , Invoke the Firemind , Deliver Unto Evil , Augur of Bolas , Painful Truths , Fevered Visions , Search for Azcanta Flip, Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Tidings , Thassa, God of the Sea , Day's Undoing , Reforge the Soul , Standstill , Deep Analysis , Necrologia , Steady Progress , Tezzeret's Gambit , Oath of Jace
Random utility: Ophiomancer , Metallurgic Summonings , As Fortold, Pendrell Mists , No Mercy , Stranglehold , Fated Return , Dark Intimations , Spellseeker , Sire Of Insanity , Thief of Sanity , Spark Double , Primal Amulet Flip, Dragon's Hoard , Mystic Retrieval , Shreds of Sanity , Spelltwine , Ashiok, Dream Render , Torpor Orb , Baleful Strix , Darksteel Myr , Solemn Simulacrum , Wayfarer's Bauble , Vedalken Orrery , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Will Kenrith , Mana Geyser , Gem of Becoming , Thran Dynamo , Narset, Parter of Veils , Keranos, God of Storms , Thrilling Encore , Star Compass , Coldsteel Heart , Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs , Ensnaring Bridge , Crawlspace , Expedition Map , Burnished Hart , Torment of Scarabs , Cruel Reality , Mnemonic Betrayal , Yawgmoth's Will , Bloodchief Ascension , Nightscape Familiar , Gonti, Lord of Luxury , Thaumatic Compass Flip, Dreadhorde Invasion , Fraying Omnipotence , Thrummingbird , Viral Drake , Past in Flames , Mizzix's Mastery , Omniscience , Tainted AEther , Aid the Fallen , Deepglow Skate , Flux Channeler , Rings of Brighthearth , Silent Arbiter , Meekstone , Mudslide , Astral Cornucopia , Everflowing Chalice , Lethal Vapors , Sunbird's Invocation , Stolen Strategy , Maze of Ith , Spreading Plague , Merchant Scroll , Polluted Bonds , Black Market , Grave Upheaval , Memory Plunder , Pain Magnification
Beaters: Dragonlord Silumgar , The Scorpion God , The Locust God , The Scarab God , God-Eternal Kefnet , God-Eternal Bontu , Darksteel Colossus , Colossus of Akros , Visara the Dreadful , Tsabo Tavoc , Avatar of Woe , Balefire Dragon , Nicol Bolas , Hellkite Tyrant , Bladewing the Risen , Grave Titan , Inferno Titan , Steel Hellkite , Vampire Nighthawk , Torrential Gearhulk , Noxious Gearhulk , Combustible Gearhulk , Dominus of Fealty , Roil Elemental , Tidespout Tyrant , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Keiga, the Tide Star , Ryusei, the Falling Star , Wrexial, the Risen Deep , Etali, Primal Storm , Nezahal, Primal Tide , Tetzimoc, Primal Death , Dread , The Haunt of Hightower , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Enigma Drake , Crackling Drake , Archfiend of Depravity , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Thing in the Ice Flip, Niv-Mizzet, Parun , Sepulchral Primordial , Molten Primordial , Diluvian Primordial , Ob Nixilis, Unshackled , Sire of Stagnation , Utvara Hellkite
4 months ago
CNobre I have updated the list after the full modern horizons spoiler. For the cards that your suggesting:
Aven Mindcensor This card is so good. It is insane how much this single component card will shut down other decks before they get going. I can flash this in in response to fetchlands, tutors, and many different search effects that highly restrict my opponents ability to play their deck properly.
Suture Priest Is a two sided coin that prevents my opponents from attempting to go to wide and take over the board with creatures. It also prevents any infinite combos that use creatures moving back and forth on the battlefield. Forcing my opponent to find an answer to suture priest before they can try to go off. Right now I agree it is one of the weaker card options but it has stalled so many games that I can never find a better replacement.
Giver of Runes I think you are mistaken on this cards effect. If it was protection to any permanent this would be better than Mother of Runes but sadly it only gives your creatures protection. I can't use it to protect my auras/epuipment. In fact giving my creature protection from white causes any of my auras to fall off said creature instead. I don't want to many of these effects as they are counter productive as keeping my creatures alive is less of a early game strategy and keeping the board clear of threats is my main priority for the first half of the game.
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs This is a great budget card to cards like Ghostly Prison , Peacekeeper , Crawlspace and Koskun Falls . In my opinion the card does very little as I don't need to prevent my opponent from attacking if I just kill all the creatures before hand. I opted for mass removal and targeted removal over taxing my opponents because these kind of cards make people want to attack you after they've dealt with them. With removal I can use it as leverage to keep people from attacking me, but also I can use them to make allies. When someone gets to strong and another player offers a truce I can use my removal to help make alliances with other players.
Chandra's Ignition Now this also refers to all board wipes as you mentioned them collectively. But this particular card is so good I had to single it out. The way this card works is I can target my general and because the card has her deal the damage it turns into a card that wipes the board except for my general. If Im playing this card I either have very little else to lose on the return or I am in a position where I can't be stingy about losing my board and I can use my superior draw/top deck to establish boardstate before my opponent can recover. It has won me so many games as I always recover my board state faster through the Monarch token and cheap removal options that my opponents cant find answers to.
I am reaching my limit of characters for one post and will continue in the next one.
4 months ago
SwiftDeath don't know if you updated your list recently but others things I noticed is that you also have a bit of imbalance between threats/answers.
On the creatures I would absolutely cut Aven Mindcensor and Suture Priest as I thing they do too little. You'll be much happier with Giver of Runes protecting the targets of your auras/equipments. I would absolutely run Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs . For 5cmc you get a 5/4 that drops a 3/3 per attacking creature unless he/she pays 3!! They will just attack somewhere else.
You also run an insane quantity of board wipe effects (9) plus a ton of spot removal. I would definitely make some cuts here: Chandra's Ignition and Wrath of God could be cut to add a couple of tutors that will help find you answers when you need them. Liliana Vess , Beseech the Queen are budget options that perform just fine. On the spot removal you are already running plenty of great choices and I don't see a reason to run weaker cards like Crush Contraband , Mortify . You can just replace them with a bit of card draw like Read the Bones and Sign in Blood to find help find the good ones ;)
4 months ago
Love the deck. I feel like Xantcha can be an a very a powerful commander while still being fun for the table with it's group slug effects and focus on politics. I'd recommend Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs as a nice pillowfort card to help build your board while deterring attacks your way. Went down some different avenues with my xantcha, but you can check it out at The politics of wholesale slaughter if your interested.
4 months ago
Well I've been agonizing over it and I think I'm going to take out the Lattice anyway. It only exists to enable combos, which seems kind of like a dead card, plus it has negative synergy with Blood Moon and its Magus.
I really like Thran Dynamo , but have you ever considered that Basalt Monolith goes infinite with Rings of Brighthearth ? Not that we really need infinite mana but it's just an extra interaction that can help us cast our spells with limited mountains at our disposal.
Tbh with Lattice going away I will probably get rid of Goblin Welder . And undeniable solid card, I hardly get to use him like I would like to. I do encounter a ton of manarocks at my LGS and in my playgroup so I may keep Treasure Nabber , but all he usually accomplishes is painting a target on my head, so he may get scrapped later. With that being said I think I see the potential for Scour from Existence more than Spine of Ish Sah . Being able to stop things at instant speed is just too important. My LGS is flooded with reanimation, and being able to exile a critical piece at a critical moment is more valuable to me I think.
Final Fortune is definitely something I will consider, since often times all I need is one more turn to end someone before they catch back up and blow be back to where I can no longer compete. But I also can't really find anything else I want in that has synergy with Sundial of the Infinite so that and Sundial is probably out.
I like Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs better I think, I get to sac those creatures with Goblin Bombardment and Vicious Shadows will trigger off of them as well. Also triggers Purphoros, God of the Forge and Impact Tremors .
Why Burnished Hart over Solemn Simulacrum ? I would think because of the two mountains that Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician can immediately utilize but I feel like card advantage is something this deck needs. Also Simulacrum is ridiculous if Feldon of the Third Path finds his way back into the deck, which I think he deserves because he can recur more Haste effects, ETB goblin triggers, and also works awesome with Rings and Illusionist's Bracers . He's just 6 mana for all of that which is a little hefty.
4 months ago
Wow, thanks for the huge reply. Let me work through this-
Treasure Nabber : so, I did in fact get this idea from an older version of your decklist and I've ran with it ever since. Essentially my deck has turned into IB/artifact tomfoolery as an alternate wincon. I have won quite a few games with the Mycosynth Lattice , Nabber, Blood Moon combo, because my playgroup is heavily non-basic dependent and nothing feels better than saccing my new-found artifact mountains I just stole. Goblin Trashmaster has also came in really clutch with the Lattice and so has Goblin Welder . Hellkite Tyrant also fits into this theme but I haven't had a chance to use it yet, it's my most recent addition to the deck. And of course Daretti, Scrap Savant ties it all nicely together, I've had her emblem out a few times, which is pretty much game winning with a Lattice on board. With all of that said, the Artifact theme in this deck is highly up for debate right now in my mind and people I've asked. I'm very much on the fence about keeping the Lattice and Nabber in myself, and if they go then Hellkite most definitely goes. Also Lattice+ Vandalblast has pulled me out of many lost games and turned them into resounding victories (I also used to run Shattering Spree ).
Goblin Goliath : He is not being used. I have been on the fence about putting him in for a while now. I don't really know what to remove, and he is a lot of mana to utilize if I want to use him (he'd be a fat removal target for my meta, so I'd have to use him ASAP). I definitely want him in though, he's a strong contender.
Vicious Shadows : this is also a new addition. Boggart Shenanigans is great but I've never really made it work too well outside of like, two wins that I can recall. Shadows is expensive, but with Gauntlet of Power , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx (which I can reliably grab with an Expedition Map , that cost is almost negligible, for a lot more disgusting effect. But like I said, new addition, I don't know if it is worth a crap or not yet. With the cost in mind, I do plan on running an Extraplanar Lens when I upgrade to Snow lands, alongside the Gauntlet and a Shrine to Nyx, high mana costs with very few lands aren't usually much of an issue. But if Shadows falls flat a few times I am definitely putting Shenanigans back in I think. The potential is just too high for both cards.
Raid Bombardment : So I used to run this one. I like it in theory a lot, and I want to find a spot to put it back in, I just haven't seen it with great results usually. Granted, that was with different playgroup then now, where typically me swinging with goblins means they die in vain, whereas I was much more likely to win with a Goblin Bombardment , which is my baby, and I have used with Shenanigans as well to win games.
Glacial Crevasses : it's been on my radar for a long time. It is 100% the next upgrade for my deck, I was just hesitant to spend so much on snow lands for a long time, since I am still not sold on how many I need exactly. Frankly I think I made a mistake holding off on this particular upgrade for so long (like I mentioned, I've been following this decklist for over a year now after I built my first iteration of IB).
Reverberate / Fork / Wild Ricochet : I love the idea, I really do, but I ran them in my deck for a long time and have hardly used them to any meaningful effect. Ricochet is never going back in, but Reverberate and Fork I want to keep/put in, I just noticed they were usually dead in hand. They're near the top of the list of card I'll put back in, it's just finding space for them. I've never drawn into a game winning combo with them unfortunately, but the theory behind keeping them is solid.
Reforge the Soul : I used to run it, then took it out because I just didn't utilize it enough. Memory Jar is one of my more recent upgrades and I am a big fan. I just put Reforge back in because of Vicious Shadows . Time will tell if I keep either, since Slate of Ancestry also usually ended up falling flat for me.
Ancient Tomb : is also scheduled for the next round of upgrades, thanks for the suggestion! Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle does work, and I think I will also be ordering a Bloodstained Mire with it as well.
Chandra, Fire Artisan : Love her, would highly recommend. Cards effects like Commune with Lava are awesome, and have usually always performed well in this deck. Added to that is the fact that I don't have to spend mana for that option past the first turn to cast her, and she is also another target that distracts from myself, and if I can ult her (I haven't been able to yet) then it's just icing on the cake.
Expedition Map : Yeah frankly I think this is kind of a bad pick too, thinking about it now. It's mainly just in there for Nykthos, since Nykthos is a little more critical now that my average curve has gone up a tad bit. Another mana rock would probably suit me better and more consistently. I know you mentioned a Mana Vault , but what else do you think? I am thinking Basalt Monolith , Gilded Lotus , or a Thran Dynamo . Leaning heavily towards the Monolith and Gilded Lotus. Granted, they're more expensive to get out than Vault, but the 4 cost associated with Vault kind of puts me off of it, idk.
Ghirapur Orrery : I think you have this mixed up with Vedalken Orrery . Ghirapur is super value for me, letting me sac two lands, then play those two lands with Crucible of Worlds , and I'm also frequently out of cards in hand. I'd be willing to remove it for a similar effect though, if I knew one that existed.
Curse of Opulence : I like it, great suggestion.
Rings of Brighthearth : I've wanted this card for ages and kept putting it off because of price, and now it's even more expensive. RIP. I do want to add it asap. Not sure what I would do with Sculpting Steel
Spine of Ish Sah : I want to change this but I can't justify it. It just combos with Welder too well. But Scour from Existence has been on my mind for a long time now solely for the exiling. Haphazard Bombardment seems awesome tbh, that might get picked up by me eventually.
Sundial of the Infinite : My meta runs a lot of board wipes, but tbh thinking about it, they don't often cast them on my turn, so this is probably largely useless for me.
Meekstone has always hindered me more than helped me, and not super useful in my meta, but I think it's high time Crawlspace made a return. Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs is actually insane, that may beat out Crawlspace for me. Wow.
Bottom line is I am heavily thinking about scrapping the heavy artifact theme and going with a more focused deck. I'm just hesitant because the cards in question have won me many games.
4 months ago
Glacial Chasm is also great since you run a decent amount of life gain.
You also have enough enchantments to run Sphere of Safety .
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
RBW (Mardu): 0.46%