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Sunder occurrence in decks from the last year
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2 weeks ago
1 month ago
I put Mana Vault, and Basalt Monolith in the deck th get nezahal out as early as possible, but I think you are definitely right about needing the mana for late game, especially since I probably won't be playing Nezahal, Primal Tide the turn I cast mana vault, or the monolith. I also really like Recurring Insight and will see where I can slot that in. I think Mana Breach, Stasis, and Rising Waters wouldn't help so much as hurt though i'll likely be playing more spells than my opponents. Standstill, Frozen Aether, and Sunder all look interesting though, so ill try them out to see if I like them. Lastly I think the instant/sorcery spell recursion is really nice as well, so ill make some changes to accomodate them.
Thank you for all the good feedback, it was really helpful!
1 month ago
cool deck! i have never played against a nezahal deck, it looks interesting.
if you want to draw cards, i have to recommend Recurring Insight. if you can make sure it goes off (which you should be able to with all your counters) you can usually draw 12 - 14 cards for just 6 mana. really great.
the other card i have to recommend is Turnabout. looks like your deck is going to the late game, not trying to combo out early on. when you have a lot of lands on the field, turnabout can really pump up your mana.
given that you are heading to the late game, i would usually run boring rocks like Worn Powerstone and Palladium Myr over Mana Vault and Basalt Monolith because they actually net you mana in the long run. but that is kind of a personal choice.
also, once it comes out you could look at Bonders' Enclave over Blighted Cataract.
also you say you are slowing down your opponents but you are avoiding stax, but in case you want to reconsider there are some good options in blue: Frozen Aether, Embargo, Mana Breach, Rising Waters, Standstill, Shimmer, Sunder, Stasis, Mana Breach.... just sayin you got options.
finally you have so many great spells in your deck, it is a shame you only get to cast them once! a little recursion goes a long way, i love to run cards like Archaeomancer, Call to Mind, Mission Briefing and Recall.
anyway, those are my thoughts and hope you find them helpful! keep having fun and cheers!
2 months ago
Hey man, thanks for checking out my deck & commenting on it. Your list is pretty solid & seeing Sunder in your deck brings a big smile to my face!
3 months ago
Hey man! Good first draft! I like some of the ideas in here. I have some constructive criticism for you, so, as brutally honest as I will be with my suggestions, keep in mind I’m just offering my best advice on how to improve this list. I tested this deck a bit and here’s some thoughts I have:
More Tutor / Draw: You’re running very little card advantage, which I noticed when I was testing this deck. There isn’t enough dig or deck manipulation going on here. Basically every time I found myself durdling. Here are some suggestions:
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Scroll Rack
- Crystal Ball
- Courier's Capsule
- Wheel of Fortune
- Stroke of Genius
- Mystic Remora
- Jace Beleren
- Long-Term Plans
- Land Tax
- Academy Rector
- Idyllic Tutor
- Madblind Mountain
- Fetch Lands. Literally any fetches.
More spot removal: Your deck doesn’t have a lot of ways of dealing out targeted removal. Mass Land D and other sweeper spells are great and all, but you also need ways of handling individual problems as they arrive. Here are some suggestions I have:
- Path to Exile / Swords to Plowshares
- Seal of Cleansing / Dispeller's Capsule
- Return to Dust
- Crush Contraband
- Shattering Pulse
- Shattering Spree
- Chaos Warp
- Lightning Bolt
More Persistent harassment: You’re running MLD, Tax, but you aren’t running a whole lot of effects to consistently torment the opponent. Smokestack, Pendrell Mists, Kataki, War's Wage, Manabarbs keep pressure on your opponents. Even just running more stuff to slow things down (Winter Orb, Tangle Wire, Kismet, Rule of Law, Stranglehold etc.) would be useful here.
Consider less creatures, more enchantments: Hatebears are cool, but consider the fact that they are easier to kill than their enchantment counterparts. Magus of the Moon dies much easier than Blood Moon and you want these effects to have a good return on investment. This one is more food for thought than actual criticism.
Suggestions for cuts: Hall of Heliod's Generosity (?): It’s a great card, but right now you aren’t running enough Enchantments to justify it. Most of the time it’s going to just tap for colorless. If you run more Enchantments, it’s a keeper! (I think I’m going to try and find a slot for my own deck)
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain: This is pretty vestigial. It’s not really pulling much weight. Cut it.
Karn, Silver Golem: See above.
Tomik, Distinguished Advokist: I get what you’re going with here, but you’re blowing up your lands anyway, making them untargetable is kind of moot. There’s a bunch of hatebears I’d rather run in this slot.
Saltblast: This card is kind of bad. Costs waaay too much for targeted removal. Also, is completely dead against decks that run white. I’d honestly remove this and replace it with Wrath of God instead.
Karn, the Great Creator: Not doing enough. I see the combo with Mycosynth Lattice, but Hellkite Tyrant is a much better combo.
Empowered Autogenerator: Too slow, too expensive. It’s not as good as it looks. Ideally, rocks should slot into the 0-3 CC range. If you desperately wanted something in the 4 slot, why not just run Thran Dynamo instead? It’s more consistent.
Firemind Vessel – See above.
3 months ago
Cool concept, even if it's pretty hard to match. A bit of an easy take on your theme, but why don't you play some Shapeshifters as a way to have more Surrakar? Tribal cards also could help.
As Surrakars' living places are mostly wild forests and underground rivers, there's a lot to do with that without having to back up only on the Zendikar's expansions.
1.) River cards:
River of Tears not the best land you could find, but fits in there
Underground River certainly an essential
Bad River cheap fetchland fitting the theme
Rushing River great removal, really underplayed, fits the theme / you can try something revolving around self land destruction if you decide to give it a try (Crop Rotation, Crucible of Worlds, Wasteland, etc.)
River Kelpie interesting creature, which design feels otherworldly and weird, according to the Surrakars /n needs a graveyard gameplan to be effective, and that will seem fine (obvious synergy is [card:Cauldron of Souls] and it's a playable card in there) / pretty good interactions with Yarok / card draw
Carpet of Flowers staple in lots of decks for mana production, depends on your playgroup though
Dire Undercurrents excellent synergies with Yarok, enabling your creatures without etb-abilities to be more effective / card draw, card advantage
Undermine weird counterspell, not really that good, not bad either / illustration matches with the theme
2.) Cave cards:
Cavern of Souls choose Surrakar and it becomes Surrakars' caves! / expensive though
Rhystic Cave fun land with flavour
Gemstone Caverns not sure if it fits the theme
Cryptic Caves card draw / works just fine with [card:Crucible of Worlds] if you go for it
Waterveil Cavern nice flavour / bad card but who minds?
Cavern Harpy really good interactions with Yarok, can be used for some etb-abilities abuse/combo
Ice Cave just a funny card I wanted to give a shot there, not sure if it's something worth
3.) Cloning your Surrakars cards:
Mirror of the Forebears not the most flavourful one, but gives you a cheap way to get more Surrakars so it deserves being at least mentioned
Fated Infatuation same comment as for the Mirror, with the advantage of the more abstract card name / waterpoint in the illustration
Mimic Vat classic card, not the most flavourful
Wall of Stolen Identity more of a Ravnica-themed card, but worth mentioning
Phantasmal Image if you can alter a bit the card's image, it could be some Surrakar there / otherwise, it's a good card, and the illustration is strange enough to not injure your theme-deck-style imo
Metamorphic Alteration also a nice one
Mirror Image not as good as the others, still a wildish illustration style according well with Surrakars
Unstable Shapeshifter funny card, a quality+ illustration
Bramble Sovereign Surrakars also living in the Guum Wilds/Tangled Vale, this one feels really good / has some interactions with Yarok
Rite of Replication Zendikar-themed, water-themed, excellent card, good interactions with Yarok
Supplant Form let's just assume for a while that this is Surrakar's magic lel
Dual Nature yeh it is slow, but it is strong / interactions with Yarok
4.) Tribal outlet:
Metallic Mimic one more Surrakar buffing your Surrakars, despite lacking a Surrakar-ish illustration
Herald's Horn will also work with Shapeshifter if you add some
Vanquisher's Banner I don't particularly like it, but still worth mentioning
Brass Herald good interaction with Yarok
Kindred Discovery good interaction with Yarok
5.) Yarok outlet
Panharmonicon I know your strategy is different, but I always find it more interesting when your commander actually is useful
Yarok's Fenlurker flavourful, fine card
Bala Ged Scorpion flavourful, ok/bad card
Bojuka Bog flavourful, fine card
6.) Other cards
Memory Plunder for the illustration
I hope you'll find something helpful amongst those suggestions, keep on brewing and thanks for sharing it!
3 months ago
Hey! My friend built something pretty similar. What works super well for him are the X draw blue spells. In your deck, given the amount of mana it can produce, I think they'd be even more potent. I see you have a couple already, but I think playing as many as you can would be worthwhile.
I would probably cut Dictate of Kruphix, Sunder, and Library of Leng. Dictate because the symmetrical effect really hurts it, Sunder because it's really really mean, and Library of Leng since the effect you really care about is built into your commander. I don't know your meta though, mass land bounce could be perfectly acceptable.
Thrasios, Triton Hero could also work great as a mana dump and a ramp engine, although he has a heftier price tag.
This is just my hot-take, cool deck dude.
4 months ago
I run a similar style with my Derevi deck, though I use primarily enchantments instead of creatures for one simple reason - Creatures are usually easier to remove. But here's some cards that I'd recommend using if you're going for as much resource denial as possible:
Creatures: Seedborn Muse , Angus Mackenzie , Lavinia, Azorius Renegade , Sigarda, Host of Herons , Hokori, Dust Drinker , Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker , False Prophet , Baird, Steward of Argive , Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer , Melira, Sylvok Outcast I'd only recommend using Melira if you plan on having Phyrexian Unlife in the deck.
Enchantments: Pendrell Mists , Frozen AEther , Blind Obedience , Privileged Position , Greater Auramancy , Back to Basics , Land Equilibrium , Propaganda , War Tax , Collective Restraint , Teferi's Moat , Moat , Humility , Overwhelming Splendor , Leyline of Anticipation , Solemnity , Invoke Prejudice , Mana Reflection , Mechanized Production , Overburden , Rising Waters , Rule of Law , Wilderness Reclamation