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Tainted Pact Discussion
1 day ago
Hellizha, The Land count is low due to the qty of artifact and low costing curve. The average mana cost in this deck is 2.24 with only 7 cards over 4 mana, and nothing over 6 mana. there are also plenty of ways to cast spells for free/get cards into you hand with Necropotence and Bolas's Citadel . Lands never seem to be a problem until your drawing them late game when youd rather have your finishers and utility spells
As for Back to Basics and Blood Moon, thats why there are any basics in the deck to begin with (otherwise id be running Tainted Pact along side Demonic Consultation to combo with Laboratory Maniac .) This deck can work around both of those and even bounce the enchantments if needed.
3 days ago
You should drop down to 2 of each basic so you can run Tainted Pact run a swamp, snow-covered swamp, island, snow-covered island, etc. One of each land allows you to use tainted as an alternative demonic consultation.
Drop impulse for Dig Through Time
Your mana base is wack. It doesn't matter that the deck is mostly blue, you still want the mana to be close to even as possible, trust me, you wanna fix that.
3 days ago
DoWell, Those are definitely some great ideas. However, i already have a few tier decks running those, so for this deck i was going for some different paths to take in order to win. I used to run Tainted Pact over Demonic Consultation until my meta started playing blood moon in their Purphoros and krenko decks.
I will however, look into possibly adding Ashiok.
4 days ago
Four some more control/ hate try out Ashiok, Dream Render
If you're interested in having an alternate for your alternate when condition (the lab man) Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is a second lab man and Tainted Pact is another demonic consultation if you can change to just one of each basic. (you can run one regular and one snow-covered of each basic great total of four basics in the deck and still run tainted Pact)
1 week ago
Hi again realsoupersand,
Had to fly out to Ottawa, ON in Canada for a bit, so back in action.
50% of the time, I win with my primary win-con, which is Buried Alive + Reanimate , generally between T1-4 depending on how much tutoring and mana ramps I have available. It's CMC4, which happens on T1 occassionally, T2/T3 more realistically.
Karmic Guide is a critical component of that combo, also, yes she is playable with Kaalia of the Vast . Also enables Razaketh, the Foulblooded from the graveyard, and provides for sac/tutor. It's usually never a dead draw, and at CMC5 is still playable from hand, on occasion if the game is going on, and the Protection: with Flying also has assisted occasionally. Other than her obvious CMC as just a recursion tool, she's generally been good, and a requirement for the primary win-con.
Angel of Despair is just a Vindicate for CMC7, its ridiculous and only 5/5 flying. However, it's what I ALWAYS Tainted Pact to when Show and Tell + Omniscience , unless they have Leyline of Anticipation it's "usually" good enough. I can tutor Anguished Unmaking , however, I have to give priority up with an Omniscience on the table, so it's far too late by then. Can also destroy other random threats if needed too. She's borderline for sure. Red Elemental Blast is too slow in this case.
Angelic Arbiter was answering the Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge but now it's always Kess, Dissident Mage . Also for Tooth and Nail type encounters (eg: Craterhoof Behemoth ) or any type of haste/recursion. All together stops a few. I usually just put 1 response to any situation, because I just tutor the exclusive solution needed.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope protects against MLD type situations, but she's not difficult to remove anyway, everyone's removal deals with her no problem. If she buys me an extra turn though, it's worth it. Can also put a player on a turn timer or make them act before prepared (no Force of Will for example), sometimes... Not the strongest for sure. Or like a The Gitrog Monster looping destroy maybe...
Balefire Dragon is again, just to solve specific issues or eliminate high value ground targets. Like the others, Tainted Pact to hand whenever, a situation calls for it. I tried to cut back on creature controls (ex: Damnation ) just because its not a creature world, but often creatures can be enablers.
Baneslayer Angel cut, served no purpose other than lifelink for the Hatred but the CMC5 was too much, and only removed a single opponent. Serra Ascendant T1 "usually" puts enough pressure on 1 player (usually )), who is now on a turn timer, spending life for tutoring becomes harder, and sometimes waste time removing it. Statistically found, I was usually nearly 1 turn earlier to win with Serra Ascendant , plus overcharges me for an early Necropotence or Razaketh, the Foulblooded win or Doom Whisperer win.
Phyrexian Arena is tough, high CMC, no return. It still the second highest played card in commander, and I don't know how else to draw? Mardu is a drawing nightmare. Have to think on it, how to deal with it but agreed, same issue is with Bloodgift Demon . I've had Skyline Despot recommended has a same turn impact (draw at EOT), but also, might be ramping oppponents draw too, especially if I have no way to reconnect on attack as Skyline Despot doesn't have trample.
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight has the added benefit of removing 1-damage win-cons like Impact Tremors , Blasting Station , Goblin Bombardment , Dragon Tempest (with 1 dragon), Etc... Also puts pressure on. Usually just for a specific application though. I think my interaction package is more similar to a Thoughtseize type application, where if I can't win early, I tutor what I need to address the specific threats, instead of using Instant spell to do them? If that makes sense. Gisela, the Broken Blade i've cut.
Hellkite Tyrant was specifically answering an almost consistent Breya, Etherium Shaper deck. It's been a while since C16 set now, so definitely seeing it less and less. Might help with Teferi, Temporal Archmage or Urza, Lord High Artificer on occasion. It wasn't enough on it's own though, it also needed a Linvala, Keeper of Silence to go with it. Prior to this, I had nothing to compete with Breya, Etherium Shaper , had no way to win.
Lyra Dawnbringer is on my cut list now, might become the Sire Of Insanity or something like that. Mother of Runes works good with Master of Cruelties , also can protect Kaalia of the Vast , makes guys like Balefire Dragon unblockable too, or protects a Razaketh, the Foulblooded and becomes Tutor mana, or blocks an early Infect attack. Slow yes, but has some utility. Also can protect my Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker or Worldgorger Dragon causing me to win (instead of lose). It's borderline for sure, have to think about it. Aven Mindcensor feels good, looking for a way to include him as well as the Sire Of Insanity .
Steel Hellkite I tried for over a year, I would either, not be able to connect (no trample), or when I did, not enough mana to get the threat that I really needed to remove. I gave up on Steel Hellkite , also needs a Mother of Runes for support.
Ancient Tomb is back in, can't recall why I removed it. Think it screwed me one game with the colorless, but now that I've removed most of the colorless, it makes sense. Prismatic Vista isn't great, only 2 basics (can put in the snow's but for why), I like that it filters a land out (lower probability of drawing a land), but also destroys my mana-fixing as well, so agreed, unnecessary in this build, but feels weird.
I'm probably going to continue reducing CMC and reducing land counts as you've recommended, but needs some expensive 0-CMC rocks which I don't have, or some resource planning around alt. mana sources.
Overall goal is still to build for cEDH, understanding that consistency isn't going to push into more than a Tier-2.5/3 categorization, so I'll go over High Power again later lol.
Thinking about Interaction, I really don't want to go heavy into that with things like, Dismember or Lightning Bolt would rather let the opponents use their removal, and PRAY that I can sneak through a combo. If I combo T1 it has a fairly high success rate (other than a Pact of Negation which eliminated themselves) usually don't get stopped (Odd Force of Will or Swords to Plowshares here and there), T2 is still decently good, often others are still tutoring for a T3 win, but outside of T3 or beyond, usually I need to wait until someone tries to combo, and then is stopped, before I have a chance. I just go for it whenever I can though, increases winning % over trying to strategically go for it and being too late.
I think perhaps Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast or both perhaps will be handy, Silence I wish it had Split Second (like Teferi's Protection ) because most combos don't have a "sorcery" speed interaction so doesn't stop. Can protect me on the turn I'm going for it like another Grand Abolisher but outside of that not highly useful. Will do some playtesting with it and see if it improves my completion % for combo and increases my combo win % because that's all that matters.
I decided not to go MLD, can Stax/MLD certainly is a strategy, but prefer just to ignore others, and just go for the win myself, win or lose. Plus I don't repopulate my hand nor ramp, so probably just slowing myself down instead of the opponents. Plus I don't have a Ravages of War so would require a financial commitment, would rather focus on finding a way to go for the win on T1-T3 more consistently.
I think if you found Kaalia of the Vast wasn't competitive using MLD before you dissolved that strategy, don't think it's the right course to go down either. Would rather try some out-of-the-box planning, and see if we can get her into a cEDH, which your comments are VERY helpful, and VERY appreciated. Think I've made some decent strides, still waiting for my card order to come in the mail so I can make some more cuts/adds to the deck!
I'll reply on high power shortly since it's lower priority, and hopefully you'll see my deck going in a stronger direction. Pushing that T1 probability up is key. I keep thinking there must be a T1 with Entomb and Goryo's Vengeance that I can do somehow? Razaketh, the Foulblooded would need another enabler, but there must be someone (like Griselbrand aka Griselbanned) to win with? Hmm.
1 week ago
Hey thanks for commenting! To be completely honest with you the full mill route is just an alternative wincon in the event that our main combo pieces are gone. This includes Laboratory Maniac , Jace, Wielder of Mysteries paired with either Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact . There is always the doomsday route as well.
The reason silence is involved is just as protection, if you get silence to go off your opponents can’t stop or interact with you while you mill them. This method is just kind of a backup resort that I run in the deck, it’s not one I rely on.
1 week ago
I do think that you should at least switch the Dimir Signet and Azorius Signet for their talisman counterparts. I say this because casting a talisman when you only have two mana up means you have one available when it resolves, whereas the signets require a mana to activate. (In general, I think the talismans are better than signets.)
My only other advice right now concerns Tainted Pact . You can turn this into a tutor-proper/ Laboratory Maniac win condition if you make your landbase truly singleton. (Since the only way it gets stopped is if you hit two of the same-name basic in a row.) Since you run 17 basics, this would mean changing 14 of them. A good way to start is by making 3 of the 14 into snow-covered versions of themselves; Tainted Pact only cares about names, so Snow-Covered Island and Island are totally different cards as far as it is concerned. (Note that if you want to keep the basic count high, switching half of each basic type to snow-covered will make the Tainted Pact less likely to fail, even with doubles in the deck.) That'd leave 11 lands to be replaced, though I don't think that'd be too difficult if you're willing to invest in your landbase a little. For instance, putting in the fetches you don't currently have would take care of 6 of those slots; more options include Forbidden Orchard , City of Brass , Mystic Gate , Sunken Ruins , etc. Remember that even if you don't go fully singleton, running fewer basics with the same name will increase Tainted Pact 's power.
1 week ago
To be more effective, you will want less lands and more mana rocks. Fellwar Stone , Dimir Signet , Talisman of Dominance , Arcane Signet , Mind Stone are all pretty cheap and very effective and I would suggest all but mind stone even for a budgetless version of this.
Also, take out dash hopes. You are in blue and have so many better coumterspell options. With dash hopes, your opponent gets to choose whichever hurts them the least and in a 40 life format that is usually the 5 life.
Tainted Pact occurrence in decks from the last year
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