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Tainted Pact Discussion
1 week ago
Profet93, thanks for the +1 and your comment! You bring up some important points.
I’ve optimized the deck for Tainted Pact . I can use it to search for any particular card I need at the moment to complete a combo, since I only have 1 of each card in the deck. If I can steal an opponent’s Thassa's Oracle with Praetor's Grasp (which is more likely than not if an opponent is running blue), then I can cast Tainted Pact , naming a random card not in the deck, and exile my entire library for the win. I can also set this up with Doomsday , as I explain in the primer.
I considered Contamination , but the creature sac requirement prevents me from keeping it in play for long, since I run only a few creatures. Infernal Darkness accomplishes the same objective but I can keep it around a turn or two as necessary by paying life during my upkeep with K’rrik. The goal is to protect myself for at least 1-2 turns while I assemble a combo. You are right that Defense Grid is more effective during the early game, but this build is designed to win asap, and I rarely ever reach the late game where this becomes an issue.
You are also right that Drag to the Underworld is a lesser removal spell compared to others. However, in this build I mulligan aggressively to ensure that I can cast K’rrik within the first 1-3 turns. With K’rrik on the field I meet Drag’s devotion requirement, so I only have to pay 4 life and 0 mana with K’rrik to destroy any creature. Hero's Downfall requires at least 1 colorless mana to cast. I’m thinking in terms of speed, since each mana I have should go towards the 3 mana I need to cast Bolas's Citadel once I pull off Doomsday . So I would rather pay 0 mana to kill a creature with Drag and save my mana for Citadel.
1 week ago
cEDH is more of a mindset entering the game, than it is a deck definition. cEDH tables will assume every other deck is as powerful as possible, and do anything necessary to efficiently end the game in their favour as soon as it's able to. That's why by far the most interaction in cEDH is counterspell-like more than wrath- and doomblade-like. There's plenty of cheap, two card combos that can end a game, currently the most popular and efficient wincon is Thassa's Oracle + Demonic Consultation / Tainted Pact . Put the oracle trigger on the stack, exile your deck, let the trigger resolve, and win the game even if they remove the oracle. Creatures beating face is a slow, inefficient way to win the game, gathering 120 damage on opponents just takes longer than tutoring out two cards and playing them.
Casual, focused, and even optimized decks usually just want to "do the thing" envisioned in deckbuilding; play tribal, play a janky 5-card combo, voltron someone to death with all the equipment, proliferate all your planeswalkers and collect the emblems, etc; as many objectives as there's players probably. Everyone steps into the game to have a fun time, see their cards at work, enjoy the game as much as trying to win. This is where the social contract and the salty cards lists come in.
A deck that combos off at turn 2, or blowing up all lands to prevent your opponents from playing magic, being able to counter every spell, Windfall + Hullbreacher ... These things offer a different kind of fun, the fun to try and win, or at least dominate, the game at any cost. Like you'd do in Legacy. That's where Ramble's 60 card grind objections originate. If that's the plan you expect from all opponents, you'll adjust the interaction you include to combat those strategies, just like you'd adjust the number of boardwipes in your deck if everyone around you will play tribal creature decks.
For deckbuilding decisions, this basically means you're going to ask yourself for every card: "is this the best card I can play to help me end the game in my favour?". You'll never play a Worn Powerstone if you could play Mana Crypt . You won't include your pet card Archangel Avacyn Flip just because it makes you think of the time you dominated fnm in 2016. Every card has a purpose, and is optimised for that purpose. Even on a budget, that should be your guidelines for building your deck.
MDFCs, however, are seldom best in slot. Their strength lies in never being worst in slot, because if one side is terrible, the other one can be useful enough so you don't topdeck something useless when you really need to hit action. Bala Ged Recovery Flip is a bad Regrowth on one side, and a bad Forest on the other, but will never be dead in hand because of the versatility. cEDH decks are usually not looking for effects like this, because taplands are horrible for swift and efficient play, and actually playing Regrowth would save you the mana to actually cast that winning spell you're getting back from the graveyard. So Mcat1999 's presumption of: one or two could be good enough, but they usually won't make that much of a splash on the highest power levels, is probably accurate, at least for the MDFCs printed until now.
2 weeks ago
If you're playing a very heavy control theme in commander your win condition is going to probably be a game lock. There are a few different kinds of those. Hard locks will literally stop your opponents from being able to play the game at all. You accomplish this by setting up a situation where they can't cast spells, they can't untap, or they can't generate mana. Soft locks are where you severely diminish an opponents ability to play the game. This is often done by forcing your opponents to discard all of their cards.
The hard locks I would suggest with this are the Karn lock and the Knowledge Pool lock. The Karn lock is very specifically Karn, the Great Creator + Mycosynth Lattice . Your opponents can't activate any abilities of permanents on the battlefield. This means that opponents can't tap anything for mana. The cards are also useful to you individually because Karn, the Great Creator stops opponents from using mana rocks and Mycosynth Lattice helps you cast opponent's spells by allowing you to spend your mana as though it were any color.
The Knowledge Pool lock has only one required card. Knowledge Pool exiles every spell that any player casts from their hand. Players can then cast a spell from the previously exiled cards. This means that a player must cast two spells for anything to resolve. Rule of Law prevents casting any spell after the first spell. Effectively this means to no one can play spells from their hands. But you can cast cards from other players hands if you have Sen Triplets out. This is also true for Arcane Laboratory , Eidolon of Rhetoric , Archon of Emeria , Drannith Magistrate , Teferi, Time Raveler and Ethersworn Canonist to an extent. All of those cards, are also things you use to limit the amount of actions other players can take as a part of your control strategy.
The soft locks all involve preventing players from drawing cards. Narset, Parter of Veils , Hullbreacher , Alms Collector , and Notion Thief . All of these prevent opponents from drawing cards to some extent, which benefits your control plan. The lock is formed when you have one of those pieces out and you cast a spell like Windfall , which makes everyone discard their hand and draw new cards. But they can't, so only you draw new cards. Cards like Windfall are also very strong as they allow you to refill your hand. Similar cards are Echo of Eons , Day's Undoing , Jace's Archivist , Time Reversal , Commit / Memory (Probably pick two or three, not all of them).
You could also use the Laboratory Maniac combos as a win condition, since you are in the right colors for it. It's probably the most common win condition in high powered competitive decks. The way it works is you draw through your entire deck while Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries are on the board then you attempt to draw a card and you win. Similarly, you can draw through your entire deck and then play Thassa's Oracle . The ways you "draw" through your deck are either Tainted Pact , Demonic Consultation , or Doomsday . Because they are common competitive win conditions, some of those pieces are expensive.
Allow me to advise you on getting to these win conditions though. You can tutor for these pieces with Vampiric Tutor , Enlightened Tutor , Demonic Tutor , or similar cards; but you probably would rather draw into them because that also gets you your control cards. Two cards that are surprisingly good for this are Ad Nauseam and Peer into the Abyss . You have to keep the mana cost of spells very low for Ad Nauseam, but it's worth it especially because it was reprinted recently and is only a few dollars I think.
3 weeks ago
Mairsil, the Pretender . Best win con is Mirror-Mad Phantasm , Dread Return and Thassa's Oracle . Make sure not to include Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact if you're staying on lower power, but you can add them if you go cEDH.
You get tons of fun synergy, but the best things to have caged are Arcanis the Omnipotent , AEtherling , Staff of Domination , and Lazav, the Multifarious . Include Civilized Scholar Flip and Necrotic Ooze , and you get another way to mill your deck with Scholar + Ooze/Lazav + Golgari Thug / Stinkweed Imp .
There's also a ton of random infinite loops possible with Mairsil, as well as great ways to get tons of value. You are really reliant on your commander, but then again you also only need to cast Mairsil again and you can get back into the game.
Oh, and Tim. Hell's Caretaker 's Legends printing art is awesome.
1 month ago
На неделе попробовал поиграть Кесс с винконом через Underworld Breach + Brain Freeze + манагениратор* * - т.к. у нас нормально использовать прокси, я положил LED, но так же можно крутиться и через Lotus Petal или Dockside Extortionist Поначалу было не очень понятно как выходить и правильно реализовывать эту закрутку и несколько первых партий я проигрывал, но потренировавшись в плэйтесте moxfield буквально 3-4 партии всё стало понятно и эта комба теперь мне нравится гораздо больше чем КонсульТасса т.к. её сложнее остановить; + её не контрит Angel's Grace ; а главное - там нет теста "вы выигрываете партию" )))
Peer into the Abyss тоже понравился, но возможно что просто стол такой попался - оппоненты пустили мой PitA т.к. у меня было 8 маны и они решили, что потратив на PitA семь из них я не смогу потом (в этом ходу) разыграть комбу... наивные)
Во многих партиях очень хорошо показала себя Jeska's Will , да пару раз приходилось оставлять в изгнании пару хороших карт (например, Tainted Pact ), но даже в тех случаях "халявные" 6-9 маны позволяют хорошо рампануться.
А вот красный ритуал (RoF) я пока убрал и Wheel of Misfortune тоже (вообще, колёса в моей новой сборке Кесс для меня стали почти всегда бланками...)
1 month ago
Nerdytimesorwhatever appreciate the feedback - got some responses for ya.
Vindicate (in my opinion) has more value in this deck as it removes any permanent without causing a loss of life that could be spent elsewhere. Anguished Unmaking is a great suggestion - now you've got me thinking about making the switch.
Illusionist's Bracers (again, personal opinion) has been pretty powerful in this deck, allowing you to tutor two enchantments at once (duh) and usually win with that interaction. I will agree, it is a bit slow/clunky for cEDH, especially with the 3 mana equip cost, but I've been able to consistently get it out turn 1/2 and have it equipped before Zur swings turn 2/3. All that aside, it is almost useless to draw into turn 4/5 unless the board gets wiped. There are a couple other targets for equipping this as well, with Dark Confidant and Hullbreacher coming to mind.
Diplomatic Immunity is usually the second enchantment I tutor out (after Necropotence of course) and has always provided additional security for Zur. It also combos well with the other equipment in this deck, and the nuances of shroud when Zur tutors out an equipment.
Daybreak Coronet , All That Glitters , and Phyresis are essentially a back-up plan for the Thoracle/TP/DC win condition. The look on an opponent's face when you swing for 20+ infect in an esper deck is always amusing as well.
Great point about Tainted Pact . Four Islands has never gotten in the way of it working for me, although you are absolutely right that in some cases that would stop it completely. I'll definitely have to revisit this and make some changes.
To be honest, this is the first time I've ever seen Spell Snare - need to add that ASAP.
Shimmer Myr is an excellent card, but this deck doesn't run any lines that win with artifacts aside from the obvious Isochron Scepter . Maybe I'm missing something, but most Shimmer/Zur decks focus more on artifacts than this does.
I've got a vault copy of Mox Diamond , but am too scared to use it at the $800 price point. Proxying might be the move for that.
Miscast is another I've been debating, but haven't found a spot for it yet.
I threw Drannith Magistrate in here almost immediately after it was release to support the stax(ish) undertones of this deck - completely agree how absurd that card is.
Thanks again for the feedback!
1 month ago
Illusionist's Bracers This is not a competitive card, especially not in Zur. What function does it serve?
Diplomatic Immunity I love this card, but it doesn't have much purpose here. It seems to me like an additional counterspell would just be better in every scenario.
What purpose does Extract serve?
You are running 4x Islands, and Tainted Pact , with a ThOr/Labman line. TP wont exile your deck for you.
*Spell snare stops: Tainted Pact, Thassa's Oracle, Drannith Magistrate, Dockside Extortionist, Underworld Breach, Neoform, Isochron Scepter, and many more relevant game ending targets. I recommend it highly.
1 month ago
Also just as a heads up, if you want to talk about turn one methods of taking out a player, you should be creating a new thread for it. We shouldn't be treating the Q&A section into a general chat. Not only does it bog down each question with a bunch of un-necessary banter, but most users don't browse the Q&A section so a lot of the conversation doesn't get seen by the majority of website frequenters.