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|Commander 2015 (C15)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Counterflux occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
UR (Izzet): 0.89%
2 months ago
No prob! I've never actually seen Distant Memories before, I might have to pick up a couple! Seems like it would be really fun and political. And that makes sense about being hesitant to cut the cards that trigger your commander. I'd think about cutting Galvanoth, I always try to play him but 5 mana for a creature that the odds are wont get a good trigger your next upkeep isnt worth it imo. ALso Izzet Chronarch, or Archaeomancer if you want to keep the izzet colours. Chemister's Trick, Charisma, Grip of Amnesia (for a better counterspell such as Counterflux), Cerebral Vortex, Nivix Guildmage, Arcane Melee, Thoughtflare. Also not sure how you take advantage of Aetherflux Reservoir? Maybe a cut.
Some cards that you might want to consider swapping your izzet creatures for are: Double Negative, Essence Backlash, Expansion / Explosion, Ionize, Magefire Wings, Suffocating Blast. Have fun brewing! I've definitely been doing alot of it over the last couple weeks haha
4 months ago
Hey discipleofgary73! At first, let me thank you a lot for your feedback. It's very helpful.
Your theme suggestions are all really nice and I already tested some of them before to come up with the version presented there.
Those which didn't make the cut were the following ones: Pestilence Demon (a cool card, with the perfect flavorness, despite being too clunky atm for my meta - I'll add it to the maybeboard for more casual runs), Phyrexian Plaguelord (a pretty good creature removal I'm not convinced about being needed there / nice flavor tho), Pox (land hate always draws you a big target on the head in my pod, but still this could be a game-changing card that fits the theme and powers up Burning Sands / I'm definitely up to try it again), Torment of Hailfire (even if I like that card as one - if not maybe the one, the chosen one - of my favorites, I'm a bit bored of playing it all my decks containing Black - but you're right, it does make sense in there).
I do like the suggestion of Bubbling Muck as most of the deck is black-centered, I'll certainly make room for it. Pontiff of Blight also feels nice, but I think I already got too many mana sinks and don't storm off efficiently enough to use him at its best. Heartless Hidetsugu is an interesting one. It's some bonkers lifeloss outlet I'll always want in a Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck, not sure if it goes there though because of the redundancy it creates with just a bit better cards. Torment of Scarabs is good but one-sided, and generates some hate / I cut Painful Quandary for that reason so I doubt about it being better. Binding Agony is a weird card I actually didn't know it existed - it's like a cheap Repercussion onto one creature - which feels fair. With White enchantment recursion and infinite doll-combos it could be dope I second you on that, I'll see if I figure out a way where it could be nearly as effective there since it's surely an appealing tool.
Otherwise I also tried Black Market for some time, but preferred to run Revel in Riches over it given that it does allow me to generate other mana sources than only black ones. I'm still not really sure about it, but having both in the list feels redundant as the ramp for pestilence effects to occur asap wasn't the main problem I was facing through my few games. I might still reconsider it if things don't stand this way. It's not that cheap to play at 5ccm and doesn't make any difference with Revel in Riches at the attention it attracts from my playgroup removals.
Even if it's a bit sad, I've to admit that Garza is pretty much useless as it stands. Sometimes in long-term games where everyone is playing Control and exterminated the aggro players, I'm able to cast her and draw between one or two cards with her second ability, but that's all. I wish there was a way to make us of her without choosing to go for a typical Voltron strategy involving the Swords' package / Greaves / Jitte / etc. That being told, Kusari-Gama could be of use if I decide to go for more creatures. The whole new Sword of Sinew and Steel you also suggested enables me to deal with things actually out of my range and I might consider tuning up a bit the decklist for it. Scytheclaw is cool and fits the themes, I forgot about that card.
Smoke is overall a really good card, I just hope it doesn't turn the deck too much into a Staxxy one / feels pretty good against Saskia. I'm not fond of Counterflux but I guess it also could be useful against this annoying Pod dude. Fool's Demise is a card I never played because I always felt it was overcosted, but I might give it its chance for once and see what happens!
I'll let you know about future changes if you're interested, thanks again for your help!
4 months ago
Solely theme-based, not necessarily things that will improve the deck suggestions:
Bubbling Muck, Pontiff of Blight, Pestilence Demon, Heartless Hidetsugu, Pox, Phyrexian Plaguelord, Torment of Hailfire, Torment of Scarabs, Binding Agony. I've seen agony be used for infinite combos with stuffy doll, but as far as I know, they all need white.
I think Black Market could help power up the pestilence effects.
Some goodies for Garza: Kusari-Gama, Nemesis Mask, Scytheclaw, Argentum Armor, Ring of Valkas, Sword of Sinew and Steel, and Sword of Fire and Ice.
And some final thoughts: Smoke, Counterflux, and Fool's Demise.
4 months ago
Cards wanting to swap
I want to keep the decks cmc low and still semi budget friendly round $20-$30 per card.
6 months ago
Now we get to the hard part. What to cut. Let's start with what doesn't mesh with the theme of spell copying; Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir and Glen Elendra Archmage are both better served in a combo/control shell where you need to protect a specific series of cards, the benefit of spell copying is the flexibility and resilience to allow some things to miss because everything becomes a game ender once its been copied a couple of times; Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer and Second Harvest are designed for HEAVY token decks where you're making ALOT of small tokens in concert with a few threatening ones; Animar, Soul of Elements , Fathom Mage , Temur Ascendancy , and Warstorm Surge are all good for a creature focused strategy, but for a SPELL copy deck most of our creatures exist to accelerate our mana ( dorks , Goblin Electromancer , and STE ) or as silver bullets for specific problems ( Terastodon , Acidic Slime , and Bane of Progress ) which tend to be too small of a portion of our deck or too small stat-wise to use these effects to their fullest; Krosan Grip cannot be copied because of split second; Time Stop is so niche you're better off running Counterflux ; Melek, Izzet Paragon is just bad,I love him but he's too inconsistent and without alot of top-deck manipulation ( Sensei's Divining Top , Sylvan Library , Mirri's Guile , Scroll Rack ) you can't reliably get the spells you want to copy; Verdant Confluence is easily the weakest of the confluences in these colors and none of its effects are particularly spectacular even after one or two copies; Starstorm is a very expensive Blasphemous Act with cycling; Brainstorm is the weakest card draw spell you have and never feels good unless it's setting up a Kefnet combo.
6 months ago
Jace_Nalaar you are absolutely awesome for this bro!
Now I do already have Increasing Vengeance in the deck. My meta usually runs 6-8 players and usually always blind. as for Consecrated Sphinx the last game I played I literally drew 20 cards before my next turn. (Thank God for Reliquary Tower )
I keep forgetting about Temple of the False God TBH I'm putting it in my buy list as we speak.
Instant/sorcs: Chain of Vapor Looks fun and could be interesting if they wanna copy. - With my larger play group Counterflux is needed to knock out the large or confusing stacks that are played to maintain order in a sense. - And you're probably right on the other recs (except Increasing Vengeance ). Thank you Jace_Nalaar
Artifacts: Nothing to change here for my personal playstyle
- Decree of Pain is HEAVY but can't really afford Damnation but I would like a cheaper board wipe, only reason I run it is for the draw. - Cabal Ritual is on the buy list can't wait to put it in. Entomb is wanted just need an excuse to break down for it.
- Narset's Reversal , Cabal Ritual , Dramatic Reversal , Isochron Scepter , Laboratory Maniac and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries are currently next in line for purchase
Jace_Nalaar please let me know what you think. Thank you
6 months ago
Love the match-up. I run TYS Kess as well, and it can run super smooth. I have a few quality of life upgrades I can recommend, but ultimately everything has to come down to what works best in your local meta.
For starters, I would reduce the land count by about 3-5. Particularly, I would cut Nykthos and then a combo of islands and/or swamps. Devotion works well in mono to two color decks, but TYS relies on you pulling spells more than lands or permanents, so you won't get as much value out of it here. Instead, I'd recommend Temple of the False God . Most times, you can get it online fairly regularly and having one land that taps for 2 colorless is pretty dope. I'd also recommend either the Dimir Aqueduct or Izzet Boilerworks . Karoo lands may set you back just a bit, but you want as much value as you can get out of it. Ultimately, I'd say drop back to 34 lands, and add Temple and a Karoo land of your preference into that mix.
Next, you have a decent creature-base, but I would tweak and trim that a little bit as well. I'd sub out Hypersonic Dragon for Backdraft Hellkite and remove Crypt Ghast and Consecrated Sphinx . All of those are solid choices in most cases, but Ghast hits the same issue that Nykthos does. Hypersonic is decent for value, but opening your graveyard further with Backdraft so you're not limited to just 1 card per turn is huge on your storm turn. Lastly, Sphinx is an absolute monster of a card, but it might come out a little too late to really get you ahead. I'd add a Mystic Remora , but that's personal preference. Honestly, Sphinx could go either way depending on your meta.
As for Instants, I'd sub out Boomerang for Chain of Vapor , Counterflux for Flusterstorm , Countersquall for Negate , Dissipate for Swan Song , Reverberate for Increasing Vengeance , Rewind for Muddle the Mixture , and Undermine for Disallow . My reasoning for Chain is that most people won't sacrifice a land to copy it, and if you really need to save something, you can do it to yourself, sac a land, and then bounce someone else's permanent. Not to mention, it's a good way to keep something heavy off the board if they use a ritual to sneak a threat in early. As for the counterspells, some of them in there seem a little narrow compared to the ones you had (i.e. they target specific card types), but the most threatening things you'll deal with on your main storm turn are instants and cards with flash, so conditional counters work as good defense for off-turn threats. Also, Muddle the Mixture is a great tutor if you have a lot of 2 CMC cards, because it will fetch you any of them for just 3 mana. It also doubles as a counterspell sometimes. For Increasing Vengeance , I always recommend this over other red copy spells because it gets so much more value out of the graveyard, even more so if you cast it with Kess. Instead of having to pay the flashback, you play its normal CMC and get a double-copy for the price of one (not to mention its interaction with TYS).
Artifacts, I'd swap Manalith and Vedalken Orrery for Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Creativity . Extra mana rocks will help you get around land destruction, and provide you extra mana acceleration earlier. They also don't require you to filter mana the same way the signets do, but in exchange they do hurt.
I'd see if you can fit a Narset, Parter of Veils in place of Liliana. She works wonders for digging purposes, and totally shuts down everyone else's draw.
Lastly, for sorceries, I'd remove Barter in Blood , Decree of Pain , Fabricate , and Mana Geyser . In their place, I'd put Anger of the Gods , Cabal Ritual , Entomb , and Desperate Ritual . Anger absolutely nukes graveyard value, and if you hit it off storm it only gets stronger. Cabal Ritual works as a much more efficient black ritual once you hit threshold, which you should hit fairly quickly if you're cantripping and looting often. Entomb is just as good as tutoring to hand with Kess because if you're looking for a spell, just pitch it and cast it without conditions.
Wow, that was a lot longer than I expected. For some final additions, I'd recommend Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast , Narset's Reversal , Arcane Denial , and Fire Covenant . REB/Pyro works as a good defender on storm turn and can remove a pesky blue permanent that's complicating your life. Narset's Reversal is excellent at protecting your own spells from counters, providing you extra iterations of those spells if you have excess mana, and copying particularly useful spells from other players if you don't want to be effected by them. Arcane Denial is an excellent cheap counter that, though it draws you and an opponent cards, works as a decent political tool and can buy you an extra turn when you're storming off. Lastly, Fire Covenant is a great targeted wipe spell. If you put enough life in it, you can take out just about any number of creatures that are giving you headaches without losing your own in the process.
Overall, I see a lot of potential in the deck and think it could be super smooth with a few changes. The biggest enemy in EDH is inconsistency, so you have to fight that harder than most of your opponents. Also, life is a resource too. Starting at 40 makes it really easy to pay life into spells. I hope this almost dictionary of changes helps, and I look forward to seeing it progress!
6 months ago
more mana artifacts
also you should run atleast 9 counterspells
Should try to get tutors
more draw spells