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Cabal Therapy Discussion
1 month ago
Sorry for not realizing the entire deck was meant to be CMC 1, not just the creatures. With this in mind, I got a few other suggestions.
Ghoulcaller's Chant could be an option in case you see the life loss from Phyrexian Reclamation being too much of a problem. Sure, it isn't repeatable but in some cases getting two zombies at once without losing life could be very useful.
One creature that's on tribe is Stitcher's Supplier. Since you have quite a few zombies that want to be in the graveyard in order to reanimate themselves, the Supplier can help you get them there.
5 months ago
First off I second the approach of Smallpox . Secondly, Cabal Therapy would be really good in a deck with sedgemoor witch and is also just a pretty decent card. It's super skill intensive though for for the most part you're gonna need to do a lot of research into what cards to name in the blind but if you do that it's a really great card.
8 months ago
It could theoretically win on turn 1 I think, but not because of Therapy + Probe.
1 year ago
Legacy is more open in a sense. Basically you have a bunch of really strong set of core cards and you need to start from there. But the stuff you add is very open.
For example, you have the standard UW shell of 4 force, Daze, Brainstorm, Ponder and a shuffle effect. This gives you game against the turn 1 decks, gives a huge amount of hand sculpting and requires you to run about 20+ blue cards. This core I have used in a UW Eldrazi Stoneblade, Infect, Jeskai Combo, Delver, Threshold, UG Madness and UW Rebels. Each deck is very diffrent but they use this powerful core of cards.
Other cores to consider are things like Nicfit which is Veteran Explorer and Cabal Therapy, a core that rewards running basics and knowing what is the highest impact card to name off Cabal therapy and allows rapid ramp. There is the Stompy Core which is Sol Lands + Chalice of the Void and similar stax pieces. I have played Pirate, Angel, Soldier, Human, MUD, Eldrazi and planeswalkers stompy with that shell. Aether Vial likes Wasteland and Port. LED likes flashback spells and activated abilities. Goyf likes tarfire, fetches and hand sculpting spells etc. Sol Lands + Show and Tell.
You basically choose a core and flavour it your way. There is also brewing and some really out there decks like Mono Blue Martyr but its a harder format to try new stuff in due to cost and power level. Your brew would need to amazing and undergo rigerous testing.
1 year ago
Had a somewhat similar deck based on Scion of Darkness and Dark Supplicant but found it to be very clunky to play. The Scion was always destroyed and cost too many clerics to work regularly. Looking over your deck you are at least 1-2 lands short and I would increase Orzhov Basilica to 4 of to give you a pseudo extra land (on average every second game when you should see it). Academy Rector doesn't work in this deck, its a 4 drop creature with few sac outlets to grab 1 of 2 enchantments, one of which is a 4 drop in itself. I would just play 4 Rite of Belzenlok which ties in well with Rotlung Reanimator and Twilight Prophet. Doing that makes Overwhelming Splendor too expensive to cast which you can replace with an extra Cabal Therapy (I would consider replacing Cabal Therapy with Duress to protect your demons/key clerics/general board position unless you know what decks you will be up against most of the time).
I recently revisited my deck after Rite of Belzenlok and Archfiend's Vessel which I think has given a more reliable deck. Moved the focus to a wider range of demon threats which I think has helped. Every demon has it's day if you want to check it out.
1 year ago
MurderForBrunch I think Grafdigger's Cage effects are your go-to hate cards since they buy you more time than Soul-Guide Lantern. Also stops Cabal Therapy decks. I would at least run a single Meditate in the wishboard. It's definitely not a 4 of as it never helps you in the setup turns.
1 year ago
@SynergyBuild, Ah well I wanted to leave what kind of deck this would be open-ended so that if it couldn't fit well in my deck it may still serve someone else's deck better. What strikes me about this combo is you could play Ashnod's Altar for , Seasoned Pyromancer for and if you produce two tokens you can cast Nim Deathmantle practically for and still have enough resources to initiate the combo without any additional mana expenditures meaning the combo has the capability to be used with as little as mana total. I feel like this is really low to the ground and may find use in either Legacy (or Modern if Ashnod's Altar is ever printed into that format). Though I haven't played in the Legacy format so perhaps that remark is a bit of a stretch and I'm sure there's loads of reasons to doubt Ashnod's Altar will ever end up in Modern, but having this sort of open-ended conversation I think can serve a lot of good even if its for commander or a different format.
As for my deck I am running Alesha, Who Smiles at Death so . So that does happen to bar me from great suggestions such as Unlife's Thassa's Oracle/Laboratory Maniac suggestion or RambIe's Abundance suggestion. I do want to thank both for bringing everyone's attention to those cards. Also due to the constraints of my deck I want to not run creatures with power 3 or greater and I don't want to run cards with CMC 5 or greater (if I can help it). That said I do want to thank PhotogenicParasympathetic for their card suggestion of Bone Miser and RambIe's suggestion to use Garna, the Bloodflame. Even if these cards don't fit into the constraints of my deck it is wonderful that they were brought up as I feel they actually do the combo a lot of good if you can run them.
I believe the cards suggested that help me the most for my deck are RambIe's suggestion of Shadow of the Grave and most importantly dingusdingo's suggestion to use Library of Leng which I am absolutely kicking myself for, for not being able to think of it around the time I made this thread. Library of Leng as I see it practically answers holes A and B and is so incredibly cheap to cast on top of that. I'm kicking myself because before coming up with this combo I was trying to come up with a two card draw engine using the library as one of the pieces.
I also want to thank dingusdingo and enpc for better explaining how this combo is non-deterministic which better exemplifies why holes A and B are so important to fill. It's also why Library of Leng was such a critical card to be noted as it turns the combo from undeterministic to deterministic.
That all being said however Library of Leng well may bring up a very hazy rules interaction into question that I feel I must have to consult a judge on. If you go onto the Gatherer page for Library of Leng and check the card rulings below on that page it specifies: "Since the card goes directly to the library, the card is not revealed unless the spell or ability requiring the discard specifically says it is."
Because of this ruling the cards discarded aren't revealed, however Seasoned Pyromancer says you can only create tokens based on what cards were discarded. So would this interaction mean that I could discard two land cards, not reveal the fact they are two land cards due to Library of Leng's ruling and then claim the two cards I discarded were actually nonland cards just to produce the tokens? Obviously that scenario wouldn't work, but this begs the question how does this work? Remember the card ruling says the cards aren't revealed unless an effect specifically says to reveal the discarded card and no where does Seasoned Pyromancer say the discarded cards must be revealed because typically the contents of any player's graveyard is common knowledge to everyone. So this effect would only apply to cards such as Nephalia Academy, Noxious Vapors, Cabal Therapy, etc. where reveal is explicitly stated. But I might be wildly misinterpreting this effect as it could also be abusive with cards that have transmute or Seismic Assault where what you discard matters except the rulings for Library of Leng also states: "You can’t use the Library of Leng ability to place a discarded card on top of your library when you discard a card as a cost, because costs aren’t effects." Transmute and Seismic Assault use the discarded card as a cost, but Seasoned Pyromancer doesn't so is this a blind spot in the rules?
But excluding what I just mentioned there Library of Leng is probably the best answer for countering Holes A and B so far, but it's still not a 100% perfect solution. There's always the risk of running into a massive land block before drawing into it and there's also the concern of if your deck has an odd number of cards, then if its the bottom card of your library you'd need some additional effect to draw into it as drawing two cards at a time would cause you to deck out and lose the game before you could even cast it. While I'm fully aware both effects are still very unlikely they do exist and that probability is a non-zero entity even if for it being very unlikely.
One card I'm already running in my deck that may help mitigate one of those issues however is Conjurer's Bauble which I can use to guarantee the bottom card of my library won't be the Library of Leng. And if I choose not to put a card on the bottom of my library, that can trip can be used to turn a library with an odd number of cards in it into a library with an even number of cards in it. It's also helpful in the event I mill either it or Elixir of Immortality into my graveyard whether by some dredge effect or through milling caused by an opponent from earlier in the game. I thought I'd bring everyone's attention to Conjurer's Bauble as the cheap cost and can trip makes it an accessory to this combo that won't be a dead draw in the event you don't have the combo out.
1 year ago
Oh that makes me so happy that you're playing the list and experimenting with it! I'm excited to keep watching and see what you make out of it.
I hadn't made the transformational sideboard because - well - it seemed like cheating, but you are of course right that that's absolutely the way to go. I'm going to try proxying up that sideboard and see how it plays. Awesome find with Apex of Power too!
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