Yosei, the Morning Star

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Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Modern Masters mythic rare
Champions of Kamigawa Rare

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Yosei, the Morning Star

Legendary Creature — Dragon Spirit

Flying

When Yosei, the Morning Star is put into a graveyard from play, target player skips his or her next untap step. Tap up to five target permanents that player controls.

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Yosei, the Morning Star Discussion

griffstick on Let's talk myriad again

7 hours ago

That's cool, but Yosei, the Morning Star seems stupid strong with the Blade of Selves

NV_1980 on I Have Become Dragon

1 week ago

Very pretty deck! Some nice dragons you could consider:

I'd appreciate you check one of my decks out as well; I always like to receive advice!

sonnet666 on [List - Multiplayer] EDH Generals by Tier

3 weeks ago

Stop rushing me guys...

Megacomment inbound:

  • The Locust God - T2.5: We already have a working infinite mana deck made by Gigi. The fact that it needs colored mana limits the deck's options a bit, and makes it a little Glass-Cannon-y. The token it makes are also good fodder for Skullclamp to dig for your combo. T2.5 is a good place.
  • The Scorpion God - T3 - Also an infinite mana game, but needs a bit more setup and is in weaker colors. The fact that he can pick off utility creatures and draw you cards while you set gives him decent utility. Middle of the road in T3.
  • The Scarab God - T3 - Not terribly useful, but is a solid Nooze commander, and is a good finisher if anyone can think up any infinite Zombie combos. Lower end of T3.
  • Djeru the Purified - T4 or 5 - Not sure yet. As merrowMania pointed out, he's a guarantied Karn or Ugin, but that's still a 5 mana tutor in the command zone that doesn't get the PW out right away. He's also in the weakest solo color identity. I feel this is more T5, but I'll leave it up to you guys.
  • Unesh, Criosphinx Sovereign - T4 - Draws you cards, changelings and blink effects might round this out a little, and he draws your deck if you go infinite with a sac outlet. Mono-blue is also strong enough to support a mediocre commander.
  • Razaketh, the Foulblooded - T1.5 - I made a deck that wins on turns 3 to 4. Need I say more?
  • Neheb, the Eternal - T3 - I've already seen some decent decklists that turn stuff like Heartless Hidetsugu into massive red X spells. At the very least his Afflict ability means he's a 3 mana ramp spell in the command zone. Seems good for T3. (viperfang4, If you wan't this to go higher you'll have to make a decklist. Krenko, Kiki, and Zada are already good combo decks, and none of them have been able to break out of T3 because of the weaknesses of mono-Red.)
  • Fixed Grenzo link
  • If no one objects, I'm going to add the Rishkar list I made to T3. It came out really nicely I think, and somehow I doubt anyone else is going to brew a Rishkar list anytime soon.
  • Also adding my Lyzolda, the Blood Witch, as I don't think it's likely that anyone else is building her. (There are several high rated Lyzolda decks on T/O, but none are cEDH builds.)
  • I'm going to add this deck I found as our Glissa, the Traitor deck:

    Building Perfection (EDH Stax Primer)

    Commander / EDH* Perfect_Phyrexia

    SCORE: 79 | 48 COMMENTS | 18404 VIEWS | IN 48 FOLDERS


    I don't think it's 100% optimized, but it's very close, and it has a lovely primer that goes over the fundamentals of Stax. (Also, having a Glissa list by somebody named Perfect_Phyrexia is to flavorful to pass up.)
  • Added Gigi's Locust God list. Masterful also posted a list that was a good contender, but I felt it was a little too muddled in extra win conditions, and Gigi's seemed more straightforward.
  • My Razaketh deck is about as perfect as I can make it. I can add it to the deckles section, but I'd like to get people's approval first. I know other people are trying this one, and as NarejED pointed out a while back, it's unhealthy for this project if the people who run it are overrepresented in its resources.
  • Added DiabolicEsper's Scorpion God list.
  • Added Gigi's more suped up Kozilek, Butcher of Truth list. He had the primer ready to go and everything. Im surprised he didn't put this up sooner.
  • Added HezTheGod's Braids list.

Not sure if anyone's noticed (Nvrm, you noticed), but I added a TierBanned decklists section. I thought it would be neat to be able to show people what the banned commanders' decks might look like if we were allowed to play them. So far it only contains thegigibeast's Griselbrand storm list and Lilbrudder's old Leovold list, but anyone who wants to make a hypothetical decklist is welcome to.

The only rule is you can't use other banned cards in the 99, because that would be unrealistic compared to the other decklists in the description. The point is to see how the banned commanders would stack up as cEDH commanders, not how broken it's possible make the format with no banlist. There isn't much competition on cEDH decklists for banned commanders, so if you think you can make a good one then have at it. (Dibs on Rofellos.)

I've also added a new tier. As I'm sure you're all aware, we're going to be getting a new Un-set soon, Unstable. In preparation for the momentous occasion, I have added TierInsanity to the list! It fits right below TierBanned, so the layout of the list won't be affected. Since they are not legal in commander Un-legendary decklists can also fit in the TierBanned section. I will be adding lists for them as soon as I find people crazy enough to make them. (I found a funny Richard Garfield, Ph.D. deck floating around this site already, but I'd be happy with a new submission that actually tries to optimize the deck. Interestingly, an optimized Richard seems like it would actually need to play a lot of expensive cards, since you need to make it to 5 mana before you can use his ability.)

Also, a few pieces useful information on the un-commanders you should use if you're going to make a decklist:

  • Frankie Peanuts cannot keep a player from conceding or force them to concede. Players can concede an any time, and this is outside of all game rules, Un or otherwise. Maro has specified this. Multiple times.
  • Frankie Peanuts also does not force a player to reveal hidden information, or use hidden information to abide by the answer given. Source
  • Richard Garfield can't let you cast cards as if they were cards that are banned in commander. Source
  • For now at least, lets say that all of the cards in the 99 have to be black border. It would be too confusing otherwise.

Ohthenoises pointed out in comment that it might be worthwhile to consolidate a list of every commander that can be used to win the game as a outlet for infinite mana. I went through the list and here are the results:

T1

T1.5

T2

T2.5:

T3

T4

T5

Interesting things to note about the results here:

  • There are far more of them than I expected in the lower tiers, specifically T4. I'm probably going to make some adjustments based on this.

  • "With a sac outlet" just means some way to remove the commander so you can recast it. Food Chain counts.

  • "Colorless" commanders mean you only need an unlimited amount of colorless mana to win. This is always going to be an edge for that commander, since making infinite colorless mana is possible in every color identity, and is a lower barrier to entry.

  • A lot of the commanders in the upper tiers have more effecient strategies that make infinite mana game plans unnecessary. For instance, it doesn't really matter that infinite mana wins you the game with Sidisi, Undead Vizier.

Based on evaluating commanders off of infinite mana gamelans, and my review of the lower tiers, I've decided to make some general upkeep adjustments to the lower tiers.

From T5:

  • Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Moved to T4: She has a combo that blows up all non-creature permanents and is tutorable in her color. Not great, but better than useless.

  • Sakiko, Mother of Summer Moved to T4: That's a lot of ramp. I'm sure there are some green shenanigans that can capitalize on that. CMC 6 is a little hefty for the effect, but she's not uncastable.

  • Triad of Fates, Moved to T4: There's actually a surprising amount of ways to speed up this ability, from Thousand-Year Elixir to Illusionist's Bracers and Oblivion Stone to Eye of Doom. With a black/white color identity it's reasonable to have enough tutors to se them every game, and then you have a draw engine / creature removal option that can help you dig for combos. Not the greatest, but I think T4 is a better fit.

  • Obzedat, Ghost Council and Ghost Council of Orzhova, Both moved to T4: I'm a bit hesitant on these guys, since a while back I vehemently argued that they should stay right where they are, but if you look at them from an infinite mana perspective, and not as incremental life drain engines, then they suddenly become a lot less janky. They have a lot of hoops to jump through, needing both infinite colored mana AND a sacrifice outlet to remove themselves, but seeing as the best infinite mana combos in Black/White tend to use sac outlets already, it's probably enough to bump these two to T4.

  • Kumano, Master Yamabushi, Possible move to T4: Not sure on this one. On one hand, infinite mana is a guaranteed win. On the other, few combos in mono-Red, almost 0 tutors, and he's completely useless outside of the combo. Could be T4? Maybe? Tell me what you think guys.

From T4:

  • Ambassador Laquatus, Moved to T3: Blue is one of the best infinite mana colors right now, with Basalt/Rings, Dramatic/Scepter, and Pili/Architect all being searchable by artifact tutors. Laquatus was in T4 mostly for being looked at as "Oona without black," but I think he's probably the best infinite mana commander in mono-Blue, and deserves a spot in T3.

  • Erebos, God of the Dead, Moved to T3: People have been clamoring for it. and while I still haven't seen a decklist that's cEDH worthy, I can't deny that refilling your hand from the command zone is good enough for T3

  • Ghoulcaller Gisa, Moved to T3: She's a competent Stax commander, and mono-black has good enough ramp to offset her 5 CMC.

  • Ishkanah, Grafwidow, Moved to T3. A G/B infinite mana sink is nothing to scoff at. I think we put her in T4 originally as a way to denote she was worse than other options of the same deck, like Tasigur. But now that that archetype has branched out into multiple decks due to Thrasios gabbing the top spot, it's a little unrealistic to act like only one commander can represent the infinite mana plan. Not having blue definitely hurts her, but G/B is a solid color identity, and the fact that she herself is a piece in Nim Deathmantle gives her a leg up as well.

  • Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius, Moved to T3: He's not as combo-y as his counterpart, but Infinite mana with him is still infinite draw and a guarantied win. If The Locust God can do it, so can he.

  • Ulasht, the Hate Seed, Moved to T3: Red/Green's only infinite mana commander that doesn't need extra set up. Omnath, Locus of Rage is already in T3, so...

  • Vela the Night-Clad, Moved to T3: Vela has always been a weird fringe deck that people don't know what to do with. The problem is mostly that her abilities seem contradictory. Do you want to focus on attacking with creatures, or do you want to make creatures leave play? It's a bit murky what strategy fits her best, but now that I've taken a look at her from an infinite mana combo, I think her best strategy is probably to look for an infinite mana combo with a sac outlet, and infinite LTB combo (Deadeye combo probs), or bomb with Blade of Selves/Rite of Replication. (Not to mention, a certain card that may or may not be coming out next set forms a 2 card combo with her.)

  • Lyzolda, the Blood Witch, Moved to T3: I already made a decklist on this. Infinite mana is a guarantied win.

From T3:

  • Jazal Goldmane Moved to T4: I defended Jazal for quite some time, as his unusual tiny creature aggro strategy can often deal 40 damage to a player on turn 4 or 5. However, with the increasing power level that recent card printings have pushed onto tiers 1 through 3, it's becoming quite clear that the ability to take out just one player quickly is better relegated to T4, as most voltron commanders are already.

The leaked commanders' placements so far. Not linking them, you can look them up if you want to.

Commander 2017:

  • Ur-Dragon - T5
  • Ramos - T2.5 maybe 3
  • O-Kagachi - T4
  • Wasitora - T4 maybe 3
  • Taigam - T3 maybe 2.5 (I think we've been going about this guy the wrong way so far. Everyone's been building storm, but rebound doesn't really help storm. Something interesting I just came across is the idea of using him for turns instead. Rebound makes every Time Warp into a Time Stretch instead. Add in a little spell recursion and you could easily take 10+ turns in row. Tamiyo, the Moon Sage's ult would then turn that into infinite turns.

Ixilan:

  • Mynea Frian, Dark Apostle - T5
  • Kopala, Warden of Waves - T4
  • Admiral Beckett Brass - T4 maybe 3
  • Gishark, Sun's Avatar - T5 maybe 4
  • Tiehana, Voice of Thunder - T?
  • Captain Lannery Storm - T5

The7thBobba on Knight_of_Aces

1 month ago

Souls of the Faultless so darn flavourful

Spirit of the Hearth mmmmmhmmmmm, hexproof

Thief of Hope delicious lifedrain

Waxmane Baku great control. Really great.

Yosei, the Morning Star fuck. Yes!

Afterlife flavourful removal

Angel of Flight Alabaster recursion, yes please.

Beckon Apparition soooo good!

Devouring Greed i cannot even begin.....

Field of Souls tokens galore

Lingering Souls yum

Rend Flesh flavourful removal

And.... Long-Forgotten Gohei!

Those are my immediate hypes :) I hope a few ideas have formed ;)

TheHamster on Bad Luck Brion

1 month ago

Back with more under $5 suggestions for you Karmic Guide for some more recursion. Brion like recursion. Yosei, the Morning Star 5 damage + essentially makes an opponent skip their next turn. Selfless Squire Suprise fogs into a big dude you can throw the damage they were going to deal to you back at them. This one is TECHNICALLY over $5 but i kinda deem as an essential. Balefire Liege pumps all your dudes for more throwing power, turns Brion and all your other multi-colored spells into a Lightning Helix in addition to whatever they were. and just adds all around value, so if you were to ever break the $5 rule. high recommend for that. And I know I already convinced you but another cool thing about Sundial of the Infinite is that with it and you're Ball Lightning type creatures, say something went wrong and you dont have a way to sack it with Brion. you can use sundial to keep them around by ending the turn with the sac it at the end of turn effect on the stack. also it goes infinite with Isochron Scepter + Final Fortune for infinite turns in mono red.

miracleHat on DarkLaw

1 month ago

First:

There is a tl;dr section at the bottom, I did not have enough time to shorten this
Taking this off the forums to save everybody else (and you) the trouble


1:

I am accused of being too much of a spike ("That's because stuff like Stasis are 'spikier' cards"). The cause of this accusation was directed at my answer ("but there are better ways of achieving Stasis hint hint", the answer provided an improved card whilst not making any concrete specifications. This was interpreted that I am competitive.

This accusation is easily falsified by pointing out lack of specificity I used and the fact that I mentioned a less-than-competitive reason (in the form of Brine Elemental).

2:

Typical EDH is brought up ("in typical EDH, decks that want to play big creatures without big combos or locks are pretty common"). You have defined typical EDH as, "is not the weird mix of casual-competitive that you play. It's just casual". First: what weird mix of casual-competitive do I play? Please expand accurately on that. How would normal casual-competitive be defined? Please expand accurately on that. Lastly, please define casual, accurately of course.

*If you want any information as to who I play with, what decks we play, and how long games last (turn and/or minutes), ask and you shall receive.

2.5:

I am accused that I play weird casual-competitive. To say that I play casual-competitive, coming from another person, is one of the most cretinous, inane, and ineffectual statements to make.

Who are you to say that I play weird casual-competitive?

3:

"I'll also point out your explicit mentions of 'meta' and 'competitive'". Congratulations, you read what I write. If you could please be so kind as to assimilate it. The usage of the word "meta" is as follows: a term used to characterize something that is characteristically self-referential. Please do not confuse this with the abbreviation "meta" (most effective tactically available) as that would make no sense within that context. You pointed out that I used the word competitive. I freely admit that I mention (and more) the word competitive, explicitly and clearly.

Do you admit the same.

You appear to view this as a bad thing (troubling, however, your point does not prove anything, leaving another open-ended notion that you bring up).

4:

The original point is that Kokusho, the Evening Star is used more than Yosei, the Morning Star, Ryusei, the Falling Star, Jugan, the Rising Star, and/or Keiga, the Tide Star (damn, i got them all correct!). I gave my reason, when you argued, I gave another reason, you then argued by accusing the way I play, the way others play (attacking my playgroups), and then proceeded to ignore my second reason.

You expect that if you--passively or passive-aggressively or aggressively-- accuse a person (seemingly without any basis), that you can get away with it? With this in mind, let's review some notes you might have forgotten:
you create open-ended and empty points, you create terms that are vague and voided, and it appears that if it is not casual (oh sorry: typical edh) it is immediately discounted.

Second:

1:

I want to use the way that you write and show you how ridiculous it is, but one would hope that is already clear by what is on this message.

2:

The amount of definite things that you (appear to) believe I said that are not true and create serious flaws: I like yosei as a card, I use yosei in my kaalia deck (Rakdos the Defiler + Yosei, the Morning Star + Twilight Shepherd is fun on turn 5...), and Yosei is not a bad card. Remember, because there is a "better" card does not necessarily mean that the original card is bad. Redundancy is key in edh. Plague Wind is strictly worse than In Garruk's Wake, is Plague Wind a bad card? No(!) both cards are both good. Would I rather play In Garruk's Wake, in most situations, yes. I shall forestall your comment (you talk about meta (the abbreviation)!) and note that both plague and garruk's wake are good and played.

3:

It is important to note your comment, "Yosei is listed in around 2000 decks out of the 150,000-ish decks". You do not list where, how, or what parameters you used in coming up with this. It should be disqualified from the internet. However, since you bring up that numbers, I viewed this search and applied Kokusho, Yosei, Keiga, Ryusei, and Jugan. Each page is 20 decks, i got the following numbers: Kokusho is in 6160 decks, Yosei is in 3480(?!) decks, Keiga is in 2820 decks, Ryusei is in 1880 decks, and Jugan is in 1260 decks (all of these numbers are within 20 minus). I do not see the point in continuing to write this line of thought.

Third: (Tl;dr)

1:

In conclusion. It has been a delightful fifteen minutes thinking about this, but for now I shall break.

2:

The following has been noted and gone over: you accused me of being a spike, of not playing typical edh, and playing weird casual-competitve edh. You offer no grounds, clarifications, definitions, and minimal basis for them. You have been quoted. You are asked a question that is a cause for some abeyance. I rehash the original point and show your flaws. I stem future accusations. I clarify misconceptions you seem to hold (apologies if you did not hold them, your comments were indicative). I debase a claim you fought for. I reiterate message in conclusion.

MrAwesomeSocks on Who shall I be when I devour your soul?

1 month ago

Signious: Thanks for the comment!

I prefer Feldon of the Third Path specifically because of the sac outlet. It goes particularly nasty with Yosei, the Morning Star.

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