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- Can flickering a card with echo avoid echo?
- Will a Pack Rat token made by a rat brought back by a whip of erebos have haste?
- Can Progenitor Mimic be a land generator?
- Progenitor mimic will become a land if copying an animated land, correct?
- Can I choose to copy Clone by Progenitor Mimic to get infinite cloning?
Creature — Shapeshifter
You may have Progenitor Mimic enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield except it gains "At the beginning of your upkeep, if this creature isn't a token, create a token that's a copy of this creature."
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Progenitor Mimic Discussion
2 days ago
First you should note that cast and enter the battlefield are not the same thing. Riku's cast trigger relates only to instants and sorceries, while his second ability is creature related and triggers on a nontoken creature entering the battlefield.
Using your examples this results in the following: You cast Desolation Twin and get 10/10 token that enters the battlefield. It is a token and thus does not trigger Riku. Then Desolation Twin resolves and enters the battlefield, triggering Riku. You pay and get a copy of Desolation Twin . Total of 3 10/10 creatures.
You cast Reclamation Sage and it resolves. It enters the battlefield triggering Riku and its own ETB. You order them in whatever order you like as they are simultaneous but say sage ETB ot top. You blow up an artifact, then pay and create another copy of Reclamation Sage , which enters as well and puts its own ETB on the stack and blows up another artifact. Total of 2 Reclamation Sage and 2 destroy artifact triggers.
You cast Progenitor Mimic it resolves and you choose to become a copy of Desolation Twin as it enters. It doesn't trigger any on cast trigegrs from the object being copied. It is nontoken however and upon entering the battlefield triggers Riku, you can now pay and make another copy of Progenitor Mimic having enter as another copy of Desolation Twin . Total of 3 10/10s (1 original, 1 from progenitor and 1 from progenitor token.)
3 days ago
I have a few questions regarding the copy ability.
So I am building a deck around Riku of Two Reflections and I was wondering about the second ability concerning creatures with the keyword When you cast and enters the battlefield.
For example if I copied a Desolation Twin - Would the ability be activated twice resulting in 4 creatures with 10/10?
Thanks for any help :)
3 days ago
Everything else that is 4+ CMC you should highly consider cutting too. Your average CMC is extremely high at 4.16. Even with land tutor density and high land count, you're going to spend turns 1-4 doing absolutely nothing to advance your game plan. You should consider that not all elementals have the same usefulness for generating a win, so you need to up tutor density and draw effects to smooth out your games. You should also really consider a counterspell package since you have blue.
Myriad Landscape is a nice idea but slow. Cut. I don't like any of your ETB tapped lands, they cost you turns and don't generate enough advantage for it to be worthwhile. I'm not wild about the ravnica bouncelands either, but they can combo with the commander for card advantage, so I think they're worthwhile enough.
I'm not a fan of Bane of Progress or Avatar of Growth . You should run cheaper, guaranteed effects that do those things in those slots. Bane resets its own counters if you blink it, and Avatar helps your opponents as well, neither of them is a fantastic beater.
Greenwarden of Murasa has a nice effect, but you should slot Eternal Witness instead. 3 CMC cheaper so its easier to combo with repeatedly. Greenwarden is tribal and can beat, but anytime you blink it, it can't attack, and its 6 CMC for a recursion effect.
Tyrant of Discord is another similarly flashy card at too high a price. 7 CMC for an unreliable wipe is just not worthwhile. You need your boardwipes to be castable when you're in a crisis situation, not a cherry on top of strong board advantage for a win. Cut.
You run a very high density of creature copys. Spark Double is great because you can copy the commander and get extra draws and counters. Not a fan of Clever Impersonator or Progenitor Mimic . I would much rather see extra creature tutors in those slots to create a strong board state, these copies currently feel like "win more" creatures.
Not a fan of Blasphemous Act either. Run Pyroclasm or similar instead. Easier to cast as spot removal, and 2 damage is enough to take out the majority of threats or creature based ramp/draw that land on turns 1-4. It also doesn't wipe your own board when its cast later. Similarly, Decimate is slow to cast (4CMC sorcery) and can potentially backfire (you MUST choose a target for each, so you may have to choose one of your own). Replace with Naturalize or something similar.
There are certainly some other cards I'd like to see in this build too. Exploration Ghostly Flicker Displace Waterlogged Grove Fiery Islet Lotus Cobra and some counterspells. Also consider adding in some 1 drop mana producers even if they are outside tribal, Llanowar Elves Elvish Mystic Fyndhorn Elves Birds of Paradise Wild Growth Utopia Sprawl
4 days ago
Yarok is better because Muldrotha has a huge weakness. Graveyard hate. One Rest in Peace or any other similar effect and you're done. But the same could be said about Yarok. One Torpor Orb and you're done. Only difference is torpor orb stops creatures. Yarok cares about all the triggered effects not just creatures, and not the entering.
Theres so many strategies you can go. Reanimation decks. Mill decks. Draw and discard decks. Control decks. Token decks. Walkers. Or just value.
I'm gonna list a few cards that trigger in many effects except etb effects. To hammer home the point that torpor will not shut down a yarok deck.
- Grave Titan
- Dictate of Erebos
- Underworld Dreams
- Rhystic Study
- Wurmcoil Engine
- Bloodgift Demon
- Progenitor Mimic
- Fleet Swallower
- Mesmeric Orb
- Hedron Crab
- Waste Not
- Liliana's Caress
- gray merchant of ashphodel
- Fraying Sanity
- Wound Reflection
- scyth spector
- Bloodchief Ascension
- Painful Quandary
- Exquisite Blood
- Sanguine Bond
- Blood Artist
- zulaport cutthroat
- Frost Titan
- Roil Elemental
- Sword of Feast and Famine
- Sword of Truth and Justice
- sword of steel and sinew
- Sword of Light and Shadow
- Sword of Fire and Ice
- Sword of War and Peace
- Black Market
- Revel in Riches
- Mechanized Production
- Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
- pathrazor ulamog
- Emrakul, the Promised End
- Consuming Aberration
I can go on and on. Yarok all the way better
6 days ago
1 month ago
Congratulations for your deck! I like the idea of cloning stuff, and I am still trying to find a build that works. If I can give you a hint, prefer cards that can clone any creature on the field over the cards that can only clone your creatures (everyone should have a Consecrated Sphinx , right? Not only your opponent).
I don't feel like would help you much with cloning. The best (and maybe only) white card that refers to cloning is Mirrorweave .
If you look at https://edhrec.com/themes/clones, you will see that almost all clone effects are blue: Clone , Vizier of Many Faces , Gigantoplasm , Vesuvan Shapeshifter , Body Double , Mirror Image , Supplant Form , Blatant Thievery , Clone Legion , Mirror Match . If you want to copy spells aswell, Insidious Will , Swarm Intelligence and Spelltwine are there for you.
gives you Evil Twin and all black tutors and removal.
gives you Altered Ego , Progenitor Mimic , Spitting Image and all of green ramp and removal. For me, it is the best color to splash on a blue clone deck, because it also allows the Biovisionary alternative win-condition.
As long as commander suggestions are concerned, here are some ideas:
Riku of Two Reflections is the go-to clone commander. He has all the relevant colors for cloning (), but he is crazy expensive at 20 dollars, so it might be good to consider other options:
You can have Keiga, the Tide Star as your commander. This way, you can clone him and let the copy Keiga die to the legend rule. When the Keiga copy dies, you can steal an opponent's creature, while still having the original Keiga.
You can have Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer as your commander. He is a win condition by himself, giving tokens haste and making all of them bigger. Red gives you a lot of token generators: Brass's Bounty , Flameshadow Conjuring , Storm the Vault Flip among others. Imagine creating a token copy of a Kokusho, the Evening Star , then turn all your tokens into Kokusho, then sacrificing all them to the legend rule, then draining all your oponents for lethal. Great value!
You can have Tatyova, Benthic Druid as your commander. She doesn't refer to a clone strategy, but she gives a lot of card draw by just playing lands (your hand will always be filled). You can clone Rampaging Baloths and Avenger of Zendikar for a massive win. Also, you have access to all the blue-green clones and the Biovisionary + Rite of Replication combo.
If you want to use altogether, you might consider Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder or Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis . Yidris allows you to use Evil Twin and all the black removal. Yidris also increases the value you get from playing spells by cascading into other spells. // K&T, on the other hand, gives you card advantage and makes you less threatening while you build your board. White also gives you access to great boardwipes ( Austere Command ).
All in all, good luck in your deckbuilding and have fun!
1 month ago
ETB Clones: Infinite Reflection , Mirrorpool , Spark Double , Vesuvan Shapeshifter , Body Double , Clever Impersonator , Dack's Duplicate , Evil Twin , Gigantoplasm , Mirror Image , Phantasmal Image , Phyrexian Metamorph , Protean Raider , Quicksilver Gargantuan , Progenitor Mimic , Sakashima the Impostor , Sakashima's Student , Stunt Double , Vizier of Many Faces , Altered Ego , Bramble Sovereign .
Just some cards, hope that helps.
2 months ago
Hey Thanatos, I actually do have Blade of Selves in the deck, that was the first thing I thought of when Roalesk was spoiled. It is even crazier when Doubling Season is in play. 4 tokens max instead of 2, with 8 proliferate triggers off of it. I also added Mirror Mockery to the deck as well to add in another Blade of Selves kind of effect. I didn't want to use a lot of clones in this deck as well because even though they do copy Roalesk and die right away, that is a one off effect. Progenitor Mimic would be worth putting in the deck, I am just unsure as to which of my creatures it would replace.
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