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Creature — Angel
When Twilight Shepherd enters the battlefield, return to your hand all cards in your graveyard put there from play this turn.
Persist (When this creature is put into a graveyard from play, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to play under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
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Twilight Shepherd Discussion
1 month ago
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1 month ago
Looked it up a little more just now. Dauntless Escort and Loxodon Hierarch also offer nice flexible protection. Twilight Shepherd, Ghostway, Sudden Disappearance are nice for boardwipes too, and Nim Deathmantle and Mimic Vat can also conditionally be pretty nice.
3 months ago
Twilight Shepherd is best friends with Teysa.
Baleful Eidolon early defense, and boosting to boot.
Belfry Spirit was made for teysa's ability.
Bygone Bishop gives great drawpower.
Celestial Kirin can be rediculously fun.
Crypt Ghast, ramp and extort, anyone?
Disowned Ancestor good early blocker that can grow.
Divinity of Pride just amazing!
Drogskol Cavalry makes spirits ang goves you life for it.
Ghost Council of Orzhova the OG Orzhov baddie.
Ghostblade Eidolon two words: double strike...
He Who Hungers hand-hate
Hopeful Eidolon early lifegain and boosting.
Infernal Kirin more hand hate
Kami of False Hope my favourite white 1-drop, and for a good reason.
Karlov of the Ghost Council if you have a subtheme of lifegain, then this guys is the BOMB
Kataki, War's Wage if you're not big on artifacts yourself, this guys is fantastic.
Kokusho, the Evening Star just amazing
Kyoki, Sanity's Eclipse even better hand hate
Lantern Kami cheap early air-control
Myojin of Cleansing Fire might be expensive, but I had to mention him.
Nikko-Onna solid enchantment hate
Obzedat, Ghost Council they're back. And better
Oyobi, Who Split the Heavens big beefy tokens? Yes please!
Revered Dead early awesome defense
Seizan, Perverter of Truth extra cards, at a price
To be continued...
3 months ago
There is a tl;dr section at the bottom, I did not have enough time to shorten this
Taking this off the forums to save everybody else (and you) the trouble
1:I am accused of being too much of a spike ("That's because stuff like Stasis are 'spikier' cards"). The cause of this accusation was directed at my answer ("but there are better ways of achieving Stasis hint hint", the answer provided an improved card whilst not making any concrete specifications. This was interpreted that I am competitive.
This accusation is easily falsified by pointing out lack of specificity I used and the fact that I mentioned a less-than-competitive reason (in the form of Brine Elemental).
Typical EDH is brought up ("in typical EDH, decks that want to play big creatures without big combos or locks are pretty common"). You have defined typical EDH as, "is not the weird mix of casual-competitive that you play. It's just casual". First: what weird mix of casual-competitive do I play? Please expand accurately on that. How would normal casual-competitive be defined? Please expand accurately on that. Lastly, please define casual, accurately of course.
*If you want any information as to who I play with, what decks we play, and how long games last (turn and/or minutes), ask and you shall receive.
I am accused that I play weird casual-competitive. To say that I play casual-competitive, coming from another person, is one of the most cretinous, inane, and ineffectual statements to make.
Who are you to say that I play weird casual-competitive?
"I'll also point out your explicit mentions of 'meta' and 'competitive'". Congratulations, you read what I write. If you could please be so kind as to assimilate it. The usage of the word "meta" is as follows: a term used to characterize something that is characteristically self-referential. Please do not confuse this with the abbreviation "meta" (most effective tactically available) as that would make no sense within that context. You pointed out that I used the word competitive. I freely admit that I mention (and more) the word competitive, explicitly and clearly.
Do you admit the same.
You appear to view this as a bad thing (troubling, however, your point does not prove anything, leaving another open-ended notion that you bring up).
The original point is that Kokusho, the Evening Star is used more than Yosei, the Morning Star, Ryusei, the Falling Star, Jugan, the Rising Star, and/or Keiga, the Tide Star (damn, i got them all correct!). I gave my reason, when you argued, I gave another reason, you then argued by accusing the way I play, the way others play (attacking my playgroups), and then proceeded to ignore my second reason.
You expect that if you--passively or passive-aggressively or aggressively-- accuse a person (seemingly without any basis), that you can get away with it? With this in mind, let's review some notes you might have forgotten:
you create open-ended and empty points, you create terms that are vague and voided, and it appears that if it is not casual (oh sorry: typical edh) it is immediately discounted.
1:I want to use the way that you write and show you how ridiculous it is, but one would hope that is already clear by what is on this message.
The amount of definite things that you (appear to) believe I said that are not true and create serious flaws: I like yosei as a card, I use yosei in my kaalia deck (Rakdos the Defiler + Yosei, the Morning Star + Twilight Shepherd is fun on turn 5...), and Yosei is not a bad card. Remember, because there is a "better" card does not necessarily mean that the original card is bad. Redundancy is key in edh. Plague Wind is strictly worse than In Garruk's Wake, is Plague Wind a bad card? No(!) both cards are both good. Would I rather play In Garruk's Wake, in most situations, yes. I shall forestall your comment (you talk about meta (the abbreviation)!) and note that both plague and garruk's wake are good and played.
It is important to note your comment, "Yosei is listed in around 2000 decks out of the 150,000-ish decks". You do not list where, how, or what parameters you used in coming up with this. It should be disqualified from the internet. However, since you bring up that numbers, I viewed this search and applied Kokusho, Yosei, Keiga, Ryusei, and Jugan. Each page is 20 decks, i got the following numbers: Kokusho is in 6160 decks, Yosei is in 3480(?!) decks, Keiga is in 2820 decks, Ryusei is in 1880 decks, and Jugan is in 1260 decks (all of these numbers are within 20 minus). I do not see the point in continuing to write this line of thought.
1:In conclusion. It has been a delightful fifteen minutes thinking about this, but for now I shall break.
2:The following has been noted and gone over: you accused me of being a spike, of not playing typical edh, and playing weird casual-competitve edh. You offer no grounds, clarifications, definitions, and minimal basis for them. You have been quoted. You are asked a question that is a cause for some abeyance. I rehash the original point and show your flaws. I stem future accusations. I clarify misconceptions you seem to hold (apologies if you did not hold them, your comments were indicative). I debase a claim you fought for. I reiterate message in conclusion.
3 months ago
Not yet but I am looking to construct something similar. I'll let you know if I do.
I really like the pro-color element you have going. I run a pro-color Angel Tribal (work in progress) that I have been tweeking for a while and would love to put some of the angels I have kicking around tht didn't make the cut to use! Also I am just discovering Horde and it seems to be the answer to all the really bad tribal decks that never really work well.
I'm excited about;
Desolation Angel looks brutal in horde.
Herald of the Host Herald of the host looks fun!
Iridescent Angel sounds brutal to deal with.
Here are some recommendations based on my tribal deck;
Concerted Effort would probably work really well in this build.
Luminarch Ascension If you worked the rules for it it could be good with a d-6 dice.
Angel of Jubilation is super useful.
Angelic Skirmisher HAS to go in. She is just too good.
Twilight Shepherd could cause difficulties.
Anyway I'll stop pestering you and build my own deck lol... Sorry for the wall of text. I'll send you a copy when I do for it's is always good to collaborate eh?
4 months ago
Thank you all SO MUCH for all the suggestions! I certainly have a lot to think about haha!
Some initial thoughts though:
First, I've been trying to stray away from high white-devotion cards for a while because I mostly need red mana in this deck, BUT... once I've eventually improved my mana base(help please) I'll be able to include cards like Reya Dawnbringer, True Conviction, and Twilight Shepherd.
Second: This is still a very budget deck(which explains why the mana base has suffered so far), with no cards over $4, but the expensive cards like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Phyrexian Dreadnought are now on the radar because of the effect they could have in the deck.
Again, thank you all SO much! Keep the comments coming!
4 months ago
Cool deck I like it a lot. Got me thinking...got some ideas.. Emeria Shepherd & Nim Deathmantle for more uses of your ball lightning cards. Conjurer's Closet can help you keep your stolen dudes around to use more before nuking them. Twilight Shepherd, True Conviction, Dictate of Heliod, To Arms!, Thousand-Year Elixir, Magewright's Stone, Thunderblust, Impetuous Devils...I bet Phyrexian Dreadnought makes its way into non budget builds, sac it with its ETB trigger on the stack. Happy gathering!
4 months ago
Additions (trying to push boros. We can remove anything on this list, of course):
- Hellrider (very strong incentive to play red IMO)
- Lightning Bolt (Not sure why this isnt in here)
- Chain Lightning
- Forked Bolt
- Spectral Procession (works across archetypes)
- Midnight Haunting (works across archetypes)
- Dragon Fodder
- Krenko's Command
- Spear of Heliod
- Angel of Invention
- Call for Unity
- Consul's Lieutenant
- Crescendo of War
- Dictate of Heliod
- Eldrazi Monument
- Elspeth, Sun's Champion
- Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
- Glory of Warfare
- Goldnight Commander
- Jazal Goldmane
- Instigator Gang Flip
- Soltari Champion
- Sunhome Guildmage
- Grand Abolisher
- Charging Cinderhorn (this just seems fun. may be too shitty)
Things to consider for UW (not added, lets discuss):
- Thistledown Liege
- Thunderclap Wyvern
- Pride of the Clouds
- Sprite Noble
- Aerial Responder
- Darien, King of Kjeldor
- Selfless Spirit
- Dragonlord Ojutai
- Wingmate Roc
- Swans of Bryn Argoll
- Aven Mimeomancer
- Stratus Dancer
- Sphinx of Magosi
- Glen Elendra Archmage
- Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
- Windborn Muse
- Twilight Shepherd
- Archangel of Tithes
- Archangel Avacyn Flip
- Gisela, the Broken Blade
- Bruna, the Fading Light (Pretty nice if fliers has a lot of angels)
- Serendib Efreet (this seems dangerous with only 20 life)
- Sower of Temptation
- Notorious Throng
- Oona, Queen of the Fae
- Brago, King Eternal
- Consecrated Sphinx
- Angel of Jubilation
- Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
- Goblin Legionnaire
- Thassa, God of the Sea (doesnt drive an archetype, not good enough for good stuff)
Do we include sigets? I think it might be a good idea.