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Second Harvest Discussion
1 day ago
Some improvements for the decks after messing with it. Noticed that the biggest counter to the deck is control. Currently takes quite a lot to get the deck going, and having stuff blow up sucks. Definitely turn 4 (or earlier if you can ramp) get Tana out, and next turn play Sidar and start swinging with Tana to start getting saprolings out ASAP.Early game needs to focus on ramping and getting both commanders out and pumping out Saprolings ASAP. I noticed that hydras were a bit of dead draws. I never really wanted to play them over buffing on Tana.
Card Draw:Skullclamp Can use a few saprolings for good card drawHunter's Insight Play this on Tana. Worst case 2 cards, best case a lot more (if she's buffed)Keen Sense While only one card, 1 mana for guaranteed card draw per turn is nice.Regal Force Luckily Saprolings are green, so this can be a juicy card drawer.Fecundity With skullclamp = lots of cards. Otherwise a board wipe isn't an issue eitherSlate of Ancestry Gets rid of that bad hand for more cards, especially if hand is getting empty.
Buff Cards (replacing some blood rush could be helpful):
Chorus of Might
Intangible Virtue Can be beneficial if you only apply 1 buff to saprolings (so they cant be blocked)Might of the Masses Give Tana a huge buff for 1 mana
Triumph of the Hordes Can easily win with infect, or kill people with it
Brave the Sands Have an army of blockers and attackers constantlyGratuitous Violence Double damage without double strike
More Saprolings:Second Harvest
Parallel LivesPrimal Vigor
Verdant Force This one is amazing
Selesnya Evangel Helps get the early saprolings out.
Growing Ranks Again 1 saproling per turnSecure the Wastes While not saprolings, you can just make some soldiers instantly
More removal:Aura Shards This will shit on Zur so hard.
More ramp (Accelerates game, mana fixes, and reduces chance of annoying land draw):Harvest Season Swing in with saprolings and Tana and double landObelisk of Naya Fixes mana a bit since it is 3 colorsExplore
Nature's Lore Pair this with one of those dual color cards that have Forest type for good mana fixing
Land:Getting some more dual colored lands can be helpful. Especially those scry lands.Also potentially Naya Panorama if you think mana fixing could be useful (green has good ramp to do the fixing you would want anyway).
Infinite Combats and win:Breath of Fury
2 days ago
It depends on how many crads you want to remove. I usually start with the highest costs, big flashy cards are useless if you can't play them. Anyway most of the time they will be stolen, cloned, reanimated or casted for free from your library, or just be killed by some removal or board wipe, it's way better when your oponents spend resources against other players' creatures.
Avenger of Zendikar actually not that good. If left unchecked it can finish the game, but usually by your next turn you'll have a bunch of 2/3 plants which are still not so menacing. In a deck more dedicated to give board wide buffs to your creatures can perform better. Tokens are not elementals either.
Hateflayer I really like this creature a lot, and I want to find a deck where I can abuse it (vehicles maybe?), but just by itself, it's not that good, being an elemental just doesn't justify its inclusion.
Magmatic Force Yes, this creature is insane. You don't need to do anything it just sits there throwing lightning bolts here and there. Every turn that stays alive is producing value. But the cost is super high, so not really sure about remmoving it.
Phytotitan This card actually works with the deck, but I ended cutting it from mmy deck because it really wasn't enough for the cost, it doesn't comes back until you upkeep and comes tapped, so it's not that marvelous. The good part is it comboes perfectly with Incandescent Soulstoke, but it's the only creature that goes well with it. Most of the time you don't want to throw your elementals for one attack and then sacrificing them, do you?
Incandescent Soulstoke for the reason I previously stated. Just the +1/+1 to elementals won make this guy earn its spot.
Smokebraider not a bad card, but you don't have too many elemental spells. Playing green you have available all the mana dorks you can dream of, Whisperer of the Wilds will easily give you two greens to spend on whatever you want. But you should really start by getting a Sol Ring, an absolutely broken card that should had never existed that you can get for an stupily low price. Then, the next mana rocks to include would be Worn Powerstone, Thran Dynamo and also Overgrowth. You are trying to reach a really high costs, so you need cards that give you more than one mana, spending one card on ramping one mana just isn't enough, you need to get to 7.
Soulbright Flamekin Don't let all those red mana symbols fool you. You give it six colorless mana and it gives you eight red mana, so in fact it's just producing a net two mana, but you have to spend six before, bad deal.
Wayfarer's Bauble, Sakura-Tribe Elder and Rampant Growth As I said before, spending one card to get one land ahead just isn't enough. When you are in a rush to get to the fourth mana because that's the cost of your commander and you need it to get the deck rolling then that kind of cards are great, but if you ramp like that you'll run out of cards in hand and you still won't be able to cast Omnath. You need cards that give you more than one mana.
Rite of the Raging Storm the problem with this card is when you cast it what you really need is survival. On top of that, you won't get your token until your next turn.
Second Harvest It's a "win more" card. If you have a couple or more of the Omnath tokens to duplicate I'd say you are on a confortable situation and if the opponents dont do something against it soon they are going to be in a world of pain soon anyway. I rather have a card like Heroic Intervention to keep my position on the board in case of board wipe than trying to push a bit ahead and then risk wasting the card, but that is a personal preference.
In my experiencie, the biggest problem of the deck is that in the early game you are really weak and you run out of cards if you try to rush to seven mana. So you need cheaper creatures, more card draw, board wipes and some way to pillow fort yourself.
Arbor Colossus This guy may be what you need: big, cheap, with reach, and it can even destroy some naughty dragon who dare come too close.
Ohran Viper This creature is really nice, gives you cards (hopefuly it can get you a couple of them) and if it stays back to block works as deterrent.
Chain Reaction this card can be as wild as Blasphemous Act. You won't get a better board wipe for that mana in these colors.
Thaumatic Compass Flip helps you get lands and later becomes protection from attacks, maybe it's worth trying it out here.
I would add one more sacrifice outlet just in case, like Altar of Dementia or Spawning Pit, you don't want your small elemental tokens exiling insted of going to graveyard.
Blade of Selves Is my secret weapon. When you equip Omnath with it and attack, the myriad copies are created at the same time and because of the legendary rule (copies of Omnath are also legendary) they are all put in the graveyard as soon as they are created and you'll get one trigger for each Omnath that was alive times each Omnath that died. After geting your calculator to work out the numbers you will see that it's a whole lotta damage.
3 days ago
Grand Abolisher, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Champion of the Parish, Mikaeus, the Lunarch, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Karametra, God of Harvests, Captain of the Watch, Crusader of Odric, Recruiter of the Guard, Bruna, the Fading Light, Gisela, the Broken Blade, Geist-Honored Monk, Soul Warden, Riders of Gavony, Sun Titan, Yisan Chord, God's Wrath, Heroic Intervention, Kindred Summons, Second Harvest, Sundering Growth, Enlightened Tutor, Bow of Nylea, Rhonas's Monument, Beastmaster Ascension, Mirari's Wake, Aura Shards, Glorious Anthem, True Conviction, Parallel Lives, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Sigil of the Empty Throne, Akroma's Memorial
2 weeks ago
I see you running effects like Second Harvest , a Doubling Season seems like it'd help this list. I'd also expand upon the token theme and integrate it into your combo strategy... perhaps running Xenagos, the Reveler , one of the Garruk PWs, Primeval Bounty , and a few other generators. Ulasht, the Hate Seed , Mycoloth might be worth slotting in.
Also, Genesis Hydra can make for great plays throughout the early/mid/late game, and even if countered it's ability will still trigger on cast. Managorger Hydra can play nicely with doubling effects and gives you an early game threat to eat removal while you're building up.
You can definitely slot Food Chain and Birthing Pod in this deck, and would suggest you do. Eternal Witness should also find a way into the list, as well as ways to exploit our token mass, primarily Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar
For ramp, I'd throw in Joraga Treespeaker , Satyr Hedonist, Voyaging Satyr (you can combo this card with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx for amazing ramp ability, drop the large majority of your taplands. I'd certainly recommend Gaea's Cradle , but it has a value more than double of your entire list, so it may be something you consider adding waaay later on.
2 weeks ago
-1Zhur-Taa Druid for +1 Llanowar Elves - I found Zhur-Taa Druid's one damage was good in large games, but more often than not it made him a target because other players didn't like getting hit for one and it left myself without the mana producing creature.
-1 Alpha Brawlfor +1 Fires of Yavimaya - This deck can be more focused on Thromok's damage with this enchantment. It only takes 5 creatures to make Thromok big enough to one shot with commander damage. This allows him to attack right away. I found I was rarely using Alpha Brawl because of its high mana cost.
-1 Skullclamp for +1 Nim Deathmantle - I was rarely using Skullclamp for card draw. The extra draw was nice, but I don't want my tokens dying, I want them for Thromok or blockers. I found a lot of my big creatures that produce tokens were completely worthless when killed (obviously). Nim Deathmantle gives me the option to keep those creatures alive longer and lets me produce tokens. In this build, I am trying to run more "at each" upkeep creatures because it ramps up faster in bigger games! Nim Deathmantle also interacts well with Ashnod's Altar! (see below)
-1 Joiner Adept for +1 Ashnod's Altar - Joiner Adept's ability was almost worthless with my ramp/dual lands. It was more of a convenience than anything. It would work better in a 3-5 color deck imo. I added Ashnod's Altar because my tokens can ramp into even larger creatures that produce more tokens. The 2 mana potential per token ramps up fast especially if you are making tokens every upkeep. Also, if you have a creature that produces 2+ tokens when it enters the battlefield, you can use that + Nim + Ashnod's Altar for infinite tokens!
-1 Utopia Mycon for +1 Nissa's Expedition - Utopia Mycon was a super cheap card but loses its value in larger games. It only happens at your upkeep so it loses value in larger games. The ability to sac a saproling seems nice since I have multiple creatures to create saprolings, but you get more bang for your buck with an Ashnod's altar. Using the other creatures with Nissa's you have, you could get 2 lands for one green! Better ramp than waiting a ton of turns / losing creatures!
-1Death's Presence for +1 Second Harvest - Death's Harvest was too slow for my tastes. If my creatures are dying, its usually a board wipe. If my small tokens are dying, its slow ramp and if my big creatures die, my tokens are usually not far behind. With Second Harvest, I can double my tokens. That means more mana with Ashnod's, more sac for Thromok, more defenders, etc. With Parallel Lives and the soon to be bought Primal Vigor, this ramp can be 2x to 4x as powerful!
-1 Thelonite Hermit for +1 Nylea, God of the Hunt - Thelonite Hermit was 8 mana for 4 1/1 Saprolings. It was too slow. The ablility to give saprolings +1/+1 was nice, but this card cost to much for a 1/1 that dies easily. Nylea is indestructible, which makes her bae and hard to get rid of. Trample is great because a big baddie Thromok can't be chump blocked as easily. It also means I am pumping damage earlier with my bigger creatures because of trample! Her special also allows me to spend unused mana when people let tokens hit for bigger damage.
-1 Sporemound for +1 Tendershoot Dryad - Sporemound is a 1/1 per 1 land per 1 turn. Unless I put an evolving wilds in the deck, the landfall is to slow in a multiplayer game. Instead, for the same cost, Tendershoot Dryad gives me a 1/1 every upkeep! The city's blessing is also a plus because it replaces Thelonite's ability for +1/+1 for an even better +2/+2. More tokens for more upkeeps scales the bigger the games get.
-1 Soul's Might for +1 Solidarity of Heroes - I was using Soul's might mainly on my commander or the creatures where +1/+1 counters gave extra tokens/effects. Soul's might was only one creature for 5 and Soliarity of Heroes is any number of creatures for 2 per creature.Although it only doubles the number of +1/+1 counters, it was mainly what I was using Soul's might for!
-1 Miming Slime for +1 Tranquility - Miming Slime has some uses and will be in my sideboard. If I am playing an enchantment heavy deck, Tranquility does great mitigating things like an opponents Asceticism, or double damage, or lifelink etc. Miming Slime works great with warstrom surge, getting an extra creature out with Thromok, etc but I need something to stop Ghostly Prison, Oblivion Ring, Rhystic study, etc.
-1 Forest for +1 Insurrection - Insurrection is such a good card. Since I added more ramp, I felt comfortable replacing this with a land. Insurrection has so many good uses. Kill opponents with their own fatties then sacrifice for a big big big thromok with nothing on the board. Sac everything for a Thromok with haste and insta win. Get rid of threats by sacrificing with Feed the Pack at the end of turn. Hit with everything then sacrifice with Ashnod's Altar. The combos are endless.
3 weeks ago
I assume you left out cards like Craterhoof Behemoth, Mirari's Wake, Aura Shards, etc. for budgetary (is that even a word?) reasons.
Part of me is surprised to not see Phyrexian Processor in here. Believe me when I say that it can get utterly ridiculous in a Trostani deck, because it definitely will.
1 month ago
Thank you, I swear I kept removing it and everyone started mentioning it again, so thank you
Thank you for all the suggestions! I tried to add as many cards that you suggested as possible. I really like some of the ideas and have been working out in the deck. The only cards I didn't get rid of that you suggested was Creakwood Liege,Second Harvest,vhati, cord of calling, and the creature search like Natural Order. All of these cards work really good in the deck. Specifically Creakwood Liege. I know he can screw up a couple of the Infinite combos I have but not all of them. Like Devoted Druid and Quillspike. He is pretty much a game finisher. If there are cards you think would replace them then I would love to hear. I really don't know what else to ask beside if there is anything with the changes that I made that you would differ from and do you think this would be a deck worth purchasing? I wouldn't want to purchase the deck and it not be very playable. I always wanted to play commander, as my card shop has casual commander Tuesdays and after seeing commander games it looks like a lot of fun so I want to make sure I am getting my money's worth. I do also want to say thank you again for all the help