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Bog Initiate Discussion
4 days ago
I have a similar deck with an infinite combo of Ashnod's Altar , Reassembling Skeleton , and Bog Initiate . With something like blood artist this makes an infinite combo. But even if you choose not to use this, Reassembling Skeleton is one of the best repeatable death fodders around and you should definitely consider it.
1 week ago
Love this deck! I'm in the process of building a very similar one. I wish thrumming stone weren't so darn expensive! I'm sure when I buy one they'll immediately reprint it, or ban it...
I've compiled a list of cards I'm considering that aren't in your deck. I expect that many of them are cards you either: 1. Thought about and decided against. 2. Didn't want to shell out the cash for, (I feel ya) 3. Don't use in your play group. (I noticed you've got no tutors. A card like Mausoleum Secrets is very affordable and super strong in this deck. If your playgroup or you personally avoid tutors for balance/powerlevel/gameplay reasons, I commend you.) Hopefully there's a card or two in this list that make you say "oooh!", because your deck certainly got that reaction from me! Bloodbond March is INSANE and it's only 50 cents!
If any of these cards are like... aggressively bad, let me know so I don't put them in my deck, haha. I'm assuming you've actually assembled and playtested the deck, whereas I am still residing in the magical christmas land of my mind.
Erebos, God of the Dead
Archfiend of Depravity
Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
Butcher of Malakir
Journey to Eternity Flip
Dictate of Erebos
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
I haven't put much thought into what you would cut if you like any of these, aside from Blighted Fen . Once you get Bontu's Monument , Herald's Horn , or Jet Medallion out, Blighted Fen and any basic forests you end up with are gonna feel bad. Initiates of the Ebon Hand and Bog Initiate are spicy ways to fix the issue, but they are also... bad.
Side note: I'm curious how Rancor would be in this deck. It's a weird cost/benefit analysis because of course you want as many rats as possible, but when you can rancor to boost your sac creature +2/+0, then it pops back into your hand every time, it seems like the recursion value might add up. Also allows you to trample through extra damage on one player if they're gaining life. Anyone feel free to explain why Rancor is a dumb idea in this deck :)
2 months ago
4 months ago
I definitely understand hanging on to pet cards ( Head Games is one of mine). I've actually never run no-max-hand-size in my Chainer deck, but my meta isn't cutthroat and doesn't exhibit much 'yard exile (yet?) so I just use my normal discard most times to pitch something I want to reanimate. Otherwise it's almost draw-land-go. For frequent bits of lifegain I have several sources, but one I'd considered recently was Polluted Bonds .
If you're going to include an infinite mana piece to go with Rings , you might consider Deserted Temple to go with any of your ritual lands instead of Basalt Monolith (which could only be turned to by Bog Initiate ). It's not a budget card, but even without Rings it nearly doubles the ritual lands and allows double usages of some of your other utility lands.
Infinite mana may not be necessary in your deck with all the boosters and such — I've never needed infinite mana to loop Gary or Koko enough to kill the table whenever I've used them. I do have infinite mana capabilities in my current deck since it needs that much mana for some versions of its loops that aren't self-sustaining.
Edit: I don't think there are any other infinites with Rings currently in your deck, though infinite mana would enable some other infinite or just broken stuff.
4 months ago
Goodness, Rings of Brighthearth has a LOT going for it, I’ll say, but the price tag sort of strikes a heavy blow against it. I’d also need a place to cut into for it which doesn’t fudge up the smoothness of flow that the deck already maintains. Any suggestions on that front? I’d like to hear a good selection... maybe 3 or 4, and with reasoning behind the choices for potential cut, if that’s okay? Note that Yahenni, Undying Partisan is already out ( Bog Initiate has replaced them), and Hypnotic Specter is on his way out as well for the Plaguecrafter .
Thank you again for the suggestions and support. It means a lot to have this sort of counsel!
4 months ago
Thanks for your reply, lyonhaert!
I suppose that since this deck generally doesn’t want to be attacking in the first place, having given some thought I suppose Plaguecrafter is a better fit for the slot, and, whenever I get ahold of a Vesuva , Path of Ancestry seems like the logical cut. There only being 4 humans and/or minions does cut the chance to scry I suppose. Rings of Brighthearth honestly never slipped my mind but that’s pretty good. I’ll consider that interaction more, and see what else I can do with Rings.
Finally, I haven’t used Sadistic Hypnotist on myself before, but that seems like a pretty top-notch suggestion when I’m starving for spellbook effects and want to have something of mine die. Seems like a fair amount of “if”s but I could see it happening at some time. Deck’s been playing for a while now so really anything could go in terms of the realm of possibility. Lol
4 months ago
Mirage Mirror , one of my favorite pet cards!
I would probably also end up picking Bog Initiate if I were running Ashnod's Altar , too. I ran the pair for a bit, but I'm going a bit of a token fuel route with Pawn of Ulamog / Sifter of Skulls with Dross Harvester and Pitiless Plunderer . Initiate also helps with Ancient Tomb / Sol Ring / Temple of the False God , of course.
Also Vesuva could replace a Swamp, not just one of your nonbasics, because if nothing else it can be a Swamp. But of your nonbasics, Path of Ancestry only supports 4 of your cards, including Chainer, for only a rare scry 1. Has Ash Barrens been useful? I run fetchlands because of Rings of Brighthearth and it would turn that into ", discard Ash Barrens: Search my library for 2 Swamps and put them in my hand, shuffle library".
With three sources of "no maximum hand size", do you ever aim Sadistic Hypnotist at yourself as a discard outlet, or do you just not encounter a need to pitch something from your hand?
4 months ago
That’s a pretty tough one to decide Lil_Kalki. My experience with Bog Initiate has been amazing and it has often led me to win the game a turn early simply because I was able to filter my colorless mana into some more black mana. I have never played with Soldevi Adnate but it seems like a great card as well. I feel for your deck it might not be too useful as most of your creatures are of CMC 7 or less which gives only a bit extra mana to work with. I think if you added more high CMC creatures to the deck it would make it a very powerful card that could enable 3+ extra recursions every turn from Chainer. My opinion is Bog Initiate should be put in over Soldevi Adnate with the current build but it may be worth to add both? If you’re interesting in testing Soldevi Adnate I would temporarily replace another one-of sac outlet with it and see how it does in game.
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