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Hell's Caretaker Discussion
5 days ago
So, first thoughts: it looks good! Very cohesive, good selection of reanimation, good targets to put in graveyard, etc. This is quite a bit better than my first EDH deck was, so kudos XD
With that being said, there are several places I might tune this deck, sorted into the rough categories below:
Removal/Interaction: Toxic Deluge is an amazing board wipe in EDH, almost unquestionably better than Damnation here (you can tailor it to miss your commander, too!). Beast Within is one of the best removal spells in the format, along with Nature's Claim and Assassin's Trophy: I'd try and include all three. Maybe might run a few counterspells such as Swan Song/Counterspell/Muddle the Mixture, but that's more of a taste thing: do you want your deck to be more slow and grindy and controlling, or more aggressive where it primarily uses its removal to deal with specific problems? You could also add Lightning Greaves, which is an amazing way to give protection and haste to your commander.
Other targets for reanimation: Sewer Nemesis maybe? I might actually NOT run Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger here, I'm not convinced he does enough to warrant being reanimated when you have other targets like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur laying around. I'd also work on cutting down on SOME of these, since they're pretty much dead in your hand: do you really NEED Ghoultree as a vanilla 10/10 that's only good when exiled by your commander? Et cetera ;)
Other good methods of self-mill: The new set gave us various Surveil cards (particularly Doom Whisperer, run him, he's awesome). Beyond that, Mesmeric Orb (hey, convenient that you have one!), Underrealm Lich, Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, maybe Fraying Sanity? I'd check out the Sidisi list I texted to you, it has some good ones. I'd also use Glimpse the Unthinkable here, probably.
Other great reanimation spells: Exhume, Dance of the Dead, Dread Return, Victimize. Your deck isn't a token deck, so Whisper, Blood Liturgist isn't amazing here, but Hell's Caretaker might do the trick. Final Parting is a MUST, given that you can tutor Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur into GY and Reanimate/Animate Dead into hand.
Landbase tuning: For what it's worth, there's a strong argument for running ZERO basics here (despite increased vulnerability to Blood Moon/Back to Basics/Ruination) for the instant mill combo with Hermit Druid. But if you're gonna do that, or even if you're not, you want less lands that will enter the battlefield tapped (and/or to include Amulet of Vigor). Beyond that, Songs of the Damned is an AWESOME card in this deck, and Ramunap Excavator is silly here obviously. I'd also play the five allied fetchlands (Wooded Foothills, Polluted Delta, Windswept Heath, Flooded Strand, and Bloodstained Mire) and the three appropriate shocklands (Breeding Pool, Watery Grave, and Overgrown Tomb). In a 3-color deck, I'd remove most utility lands (excluding Rogue's Passage and Cephalid Coliseum, maybe one or two more), and primarily work on fixing your colors and having lands come in untapped. The other major lands I'd say you're missing are City of Brass, Reflecting Pool, and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. You can probably cut down to 36 lands, which can open a slot or two.
I'd say that the most natural cuts would be Fleet Swallower, Ghoultree, It That Betrays, Laboratory Maniac, Master Biomancer, Reyhan, Last of the Abzan, Taigam, Sidisi's Hand, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Chill of Foreboding, Damnation, Sultai Ascendancy, and two lands. After that point, cutting gets hard.
I hope that helps!! :)
6 days ago
Don't know much about artifact sac outlets but as far as creature sac outlets go there's Viscera Seer, Carrion Feeder, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Blood Bairn, Nantuko Husk, Spawning Pit, Bloodthrone Vampire, Vampiric Rites, Disciple of Griselbrand, Altar's Reap, and Bone Splinters, Hell's Caretaker, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim, Phyrexian Plaguelord, and Whisper, Blood Liturgist off the top of my head. There's also Phyrexian Altar but it's not cheap. You can probably find more of these effects as well as artifact sac effects on gatherer.
2 weeks ago
So here are a few suggestions to make the deck a bit more versatile.
(also i dont know how to make stuff get highlighted in comments so this may be difficult to decipher)
!) although muldrotha has recursion built in its always good to have more. I would suggest adding a Sepulchral Primordial because it has good abusable effect and some other re-animator effects. Also don't relay to much on your commander's effect for recursion its always good to have other methods encase people keep removing her or do other things to her. - Some good ones would be Animate Dead and Phyrexian Delver, both these you can re use with muldrotha also. The Eldest Reborn should also be a mainboard because its removal and can be recursion. The mending is also good even if it shuffles your graveyard away as you can build back easily I think. Deadbridge Chant is also good. - Adding some sac outlets would also be helpful to abuse some triggers as well, Ashnods Alter is a good option or Hell's Caretaker.
2) more removal i think is needed a Bone Shredder and Ravenous Chupacabra would be good additions. - Also don't be afraid to have more instants and sorcerie's there are many creature etbs that can return those such as Eternal Witness she would be great. Adding some good ramps spells would be good or other removal effects like Krosan Grip and board wipes like Crux of Fate or if you can afford it Damnation.
3) cards that don't do enough. I think a few of the cards don't do enough even if they can be recurred easily so the below i would suggest replacing thees cards i also have a suggestion for a possible replacement for a few of them or you can use suggestions from above:
- Acidic Slime ->Caustic Caterpillar cheaper to use for same effect, land target isn't used very often
- Baleful Strix -> Disciple of Bolas (more draw plus life gain, also allows you to reuse etb affects from dead creatures.
- Bane of the Living
- Mystic Snake -> Corpse Augur
- Vampire Hexmage
- Mind Slaver -> doesn't do enough in multiplayer
- Roil Elemental -> fun card, but devotion seems high for a three color deck
- All the planes walkers, I don't think any of them fit the theme or do much i would run a deaths majesty lilliana but nothing else comes to mind for this deck
Other stuff: Don't forget that Panharmonicon does not help landfall effects, it only helps if a Creature or artifact etb
3 weeks ago
I personally like my creatures to stick around. I run Hell's Caretaker and Whisper, Blood Liturgist and use Deadeye Navigator and Conjurer's Closet to blink etb cards in Sidisi's Milkshake. I admit, it is a much slower play; could allow for a more consistant multiplayer game.
1 month ago
1 month ago
First, FWIW, in my experience Muldrotha isn't a win-fast commander. It just isn't her strategy - she's 6 cmc and wants a big graveyard; if you play her, you're playing to win the long game.
That aside, I think you have a great start. I agree with Bchong about taking out the "when creature dies everyone loses a life" cards, unless you're going to go all-in on Grave Pact effects. IMO, the best way to speed up Muldroth is increasing the number of cards that (1) filter your hand - e.g. Monastery Siege or Rummaging Wizard, and (2) sac/swap effects like Hell's Caretaker.
Last, I'll point out you've got cards like Counterspell and Blue Sun's Zenith but Secrets of the Dead in your maybeboard... Any effect you can get with a permanent should use the permanent (especially since you're also not playing with Archaeomancer).
1 month ago
1 month ago
mtgftw2014, thanks for the compliment and suggestions! Marchesa, the Black Rose is probably one of my favorite Grixis commanders. Her ability is super unique, and her colors make her a perfect commander for innumerable underhanded tactics.
While I do think that Graft is a neat mechanic, there aren't many cards to choose from that would really benefit the deck. There are four that I can think of that are blue, and they'd either let me untap a creature (Vigean Graftmage), draw a card (Novijen Sages), give someone flying (Helium Squirter), or steal a creature (Cytoplast Manipulator). To be honest, I've been on the fence about Cytoplast Manipulator for some time now. Seems to me like that is the only Graft card that would benefit the deck, as well as fit the theme. I think I may have to find a slot for that one. I can see how Graft could be conditionally useful in some specific boardwipe situations, but I don't see myself running into those situations often. Getting the +1/+1 counters back on my dudes post-resurrection isn't too much of an issue, especially if I have something to ensure the Dethrone trigger like Unspeakable Symbol, Treasonous Ogre, Phyrexian Reclamation, or Greed.
I'm also afraid that Graft doesn't work quite as you'd hoped though. Marchesa, the Black Rose's ability looks for the +1/+1 counter on the creature as it dies. If we remove that last counter, the creature will become a 0/0 and it'll die without returning.
As for Coffin Queen/Hell's Caretaker, I think I'll have to find a place for Coffin Queen in the deck. I prefer the Coffin Queen since she doesn't discriminate between my graveyard and my opponents'. Hell's Caretaker is a little too restrictive with the requirements as well. I'd need only to either flicker or resurrect (via Marchesa, the Black Rose's ability) the stolen creature in order to keep it and use the Coffin Queen's ability again. I like that.
Thanks again for the suggestions! Looks like I have some updates to make!