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Fuel for the Cause
Counter target spell, then proliferate. (You choose any number of permanents and/or players with counters on them, then give each another counter of a kind already there.)
Fuel for the Cause Discussion
1 month ago
1 month ago
PHATJER, a shame your playgroup doesn't like Stax :( If anything, this deck relies more on soft locks - nothing like Winter Orb , Static Orb , or Sphere of Resistance ...but I digress. So to make sure we're on the same page, the Stax elements of the deck are 7 cards, specifically:
- Tangle Wire
- Parallax Tide
- Parallax Wave
- Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
- Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
- Sheoldred, Whispering One
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
We cut all the Praetors and the Artifact/Enchantments that synergize with proliferation triggers, what does that leave? Well that opens up slots to dive deeper into the remaining themes of the deck: proliferate, -1/-1 counters, +1/+1 counters, and infect. I'd recommend building out into all three, while still maintaining that sweet sweet vorthos - of course i'm going to suggest Yawgmoth, Thran Physician . To accompany him, the following infect creatures need to be added as well: Necropede , Corpse Cur and Core Prowler to gain more value for Yawgmoth's " Pay 1 life, Sacrifice another creature: Put a -1/-1 counter on up to one target creature and draw a card."
So now, that leaves us with 3 slots left. What should we fill those slots with? If you're going for flavor over function there's the very fun Fuel for the Cause . Then you could toss in an additional bomb in the form of Cathars' Crusade . Last, but definitely not least i'd probably toss in Beast Within for a bit more interaction, which never hurts. What's best about the previously mentioned is that it has a New Phyrexia printing which keeps things on flavor. So a quick recap of my suggested replacements:
- Yawgmoth, Thran Physician
- Corpse Cur
- Core Prowler
- Fuel for the Cause
- Cathars' Crusade
- Beast Within
Alternatively, you could opt for creatures that have more synergy with Yawgmoth, pretty much anything in the archetype of Reassembling Skeleton . That's pretty much all the ideas I could come up with off the top of my head. What do you think? Also, thanks for the +1.
1 month ago
I love the deck name. I got a few suggestions:
Your land-base can use some work. I highly suggest Command Tower , City of Brass , Mana Confluence and Prismatic Vista . The prices on these lands varies, but they're all good (especially Command Tower )...
Xerox cards, sort of like your Opt , will allow you to run slightly fewer lands -- they'll dig you to what you need and past what you don't. I highly recommend running Ponder and Preordain in any blue deck; Brainstorm is great, too, though it requires slightly more shuffle effects than just Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds .
I think Swords to Plowshares is a lot better than Path to Exile . Ramping an opponent in a format filled with high-power cards is actively dangerous, and I suggest Path to Exile only in highly aggro decks that need to remove blockers to kill an opponent. Giving an opponent a little life is much less significant. Similarly, I think Grasp of Fate is likely a lot better than Pacifism .
Narset, Parter of Veils is a bomb in EDH, especially if you can pair her with a well-timed Windfall . Similarly, many decks have at least a decent number of search effects, meaning that Ashiok, Dream Render is also a powerhouse.
Like the aforementioned Windfall , there're a bunch of card-advantage spells to consider. Painful Truths is a favorite of mine, and Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Phyrexian Arena etc. are all awesome. Fathom Mage can also draw you cards.
One major bonus to playing green in EDH is that it grants you access to the best dorks; in these colors, you can play pretty much all the best ones except Orcish Lumberjack . Some are more expensive than others, but since dorks (and their low cost) are the best ramp in the game, you should consider running any number of these: Avacyn's Pilgrim , Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Elves of Deep Shadow , Deathrite Shaman , Noble Hierarch , Birds of Paradise and Bloom Tender will all be powerhouses in this deck.
There're some charge-counter artifacts to consider, as you can proliferate the counters. Everflowing Chalice and Astral Cornucopia come immediately to mind, and Coalition Relic and Transmogrifying Wand are both powerful as well.
Depending on your meta, there're some enchantments you should consider: Mystic Remora is often an Ancestral Recall in more inexperienced metas; Compost can be a powerhouse, as black is the second most common color after blue; heavy blue metas are friendly to Carpet of Flowers ; and similarly, since you're not running any Island s outside the basics yourself, Choke can be good.
I think you forgot Sol Ring ...
If you want, you can run a little bit o' hate. Grafdigger's Cage is probably the best Stax piece in the current meta. Smokestack is a fun piece of work you can proliferate, if necessary; running it in conjunction with Orochi Hatchery or just Bitterblossom can give you all the advantage you need.
4 months ago
I am very disappointed that there was not a variation of Diabolic Tutor with proliferate, nor a function reprint of Fuel for the Cause in this set, but the numerous new cards with that mechanic did provide plenty of awesome additions for my Atraxa EDH deck, so I am not terribly upset about those glaring omissions.
5 months ago
multimedia, I shall address each card that you have mentioned.
Wanderer's Strike is a removal spell as well as a source of proliferation; it unconditionally exiles any creature and provides additional counters on permanents. I do feel that five mana is a high cost, and it really should have been an instant, but the fact that it provides two effects in one card makes it too useful to remove.
Fuel for the Cause is the same; it is a two-for-one card, so I prefer to keep it.
Grim Affliction can work as a removal spell, which any deck should have.
I will admit that I am having difficulty in deciding which card between Steady Progress and Tezzeret's Gambit to remove, but the fact that the former is an instant means that I shall likely keep it. Drawing two cards is obviously very nice, but the difference between an instant and sorcery can often mean the difference between victory and defeat (which is why I did not replace Grim Affliction with Courage in Crisis ).
I feel that Plasm Capture is too good to not have in any deck that contains blue and green, since it provides essentially free mana.
Privileged Position is too good to not include in any deck that supports its colors, for reasons that should be entirely self-explanatory.
I have True Conviction in every EDH deck of mine that contains white, and, in the case of this deck, it is an excellent combination with Archangel of Thune , since every additional creature shall provide an additional trigger for the angel's ability, and the same is true with Abzan Battle Priest , which is in this deck specifically to combo with the archangel.
Mer-Ek Nightblade should be entirely self-explanatory.
I have Dovin Baan in this deck specifically for his emblem; in fact, six out of the eight planeswalkers in this deck produce emblems, which was a choice that I made very deliberately, and the other two both have abilities that grant +1/+1 counters to all creatures, which was another very deliberate choice.
Out of all the cards that you mentioned, I actually had Thrummingbird in this deck, before I replaced it with Grateful Apparition , but, after considering your words, the redundancy would be nice, so I shall put that card in this deck, again, and I shall likely replace Tezzeret's gambit with it, which shall also allow me to replace Mortify with Utter End .
5 months ago
you can play Thalia's Lancers instead of Mastermind's Acquisition because you can only choose the first effect in edh and it will be better to have a creature to protect you planeswalker with this tuto effect.
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain will let you draw A LOT of card.
Fuel for the Cause can be a good counter spell for this deck.
Yawgmoth's Vile Offering is really useful.
I tried to recommand you card that are not too much expensive.
Good luck ^^
7 months ago
So before I list cuts and suggestions let me start with what I've gathered from your deck.
You have a lack of value on a LOT of card that you've chosen, I'll explain in more detail in cuts but every card should serve to help you win the game not just push your theme/gimmick. sometimes you gotta make slots for cards.
Lack of spot removal. You have little to no way to deal with your opponents shenanigans, to be exact you have only 2 bits of spot removal. Your deck's gameplan isn't fast enough or big enough to just play solitare like some combo, control, or hyper aggressive decks.
You have a distinct lack of board wipes, to be exact you have one. I get your hesitation to run these but... You have to, if not someone is going to be in a better position than you and it's going to cost you the game.
I feel like you're ignoring your colors' strengths. Green ramps, White removes, and Blue Draws/Counters. Play to those strengths because that's what makes Bant such a powerful color combination!
Alright to the cuts:
- Tamiyo, field researcher: I get it she's an omniscience but I don't think that she lives for long and her + and - abilities aren't really all that useful to you or the gameplan. Not enough value.
- Nissa, vital force: You aren't playing lands, the only thing useful on this card to you is her - ability. Sure her ult would gain some passive use IF you ever got there! Not enough value.
- Spellbook: I don't understand why this was there to begin with... Reliquary Tower is far superior, and if you must have an artifact for it I'd run Thought Vessel over it anyday.
- Contagion Clasp: I'ma big believer that Contagion Engine is just better. For 4 extra mana upfront you get to wipe an opponent's board, and you get to pay the same 4 you'd pay on clasp but you'd get two proliferates instead. Who cares if you get it out turn two you can't do anything with it for two turns.
- Call the gatewatch: You aren't playing planeswalkers... this card doesn't have enough value and doesn't help you achieve your goal at all.
- Djeru, with eyes open: Refer to Call the Gatewatch
- tireless tracker: This COULD get there, it COULD be useful, but... That's a could be, not a guarantee. I'd prefer to see a card here that is going to help definitively.
- Vizier of the menagerie: you only have 25 creatures... you have a 1/4 chance for this to actually mean something. Not enough value as the deck stands with so few creatures. I'd rather see consistent draw power here.
- talisman of progress: I just don't think it's necessary you have 5 rocks total this isn't necessary at all.
- oath of ajani: I get it... It's first ability helps you out a lot, but... I just feel like it's a wasted card slot. it's an enchantment that you're basically treating as a sorcery.
Here are some card I'd suggest filling these holes, which I'll break down into categories.
Useful +1/+1 Shenanigans:
- Kalonian Hydra
- Champion of Lambholt
- Tuskguard Captain
- Abzan Falconer
- Loyal Guardian
- Prime Speaker Zegana
- Zameck Guildmage
- Bloodspore Thrinax
- Mikaeus, the Lunarch
- Walking Ballista
- Hydroid Krasis
- Sage of Hours
- Doubling Season / Primal Vigor
- Fuel for the Cause
Staples that should be in the deck including Spot removal!
- Vedalken Orrery
- Teferi's Protection
- Heroic Intervention
- Rhystic Study
- Path to Exile
- Swords to Plowshares
- Defense of the Heart
If you're going to play walkers these are much better suited to your deck:
Finally some board wipes
Last thing, I'm not taking into account budgets of any kind I just want to help you create the most competitive deck that won't fold over if someone screws your gameplan over. Also if I came off as a dick at all apologies, it's not intentional.
7 months ago
Also adding blue would give access to things like Deepglow Skate , Skeleton Ship , Vedalken Anatomist , Fuel for the Cause , Corrupted Conscience , Viral Drake , Thrummingbird , and most importantly, Inexorable Tide . Add Thassa, God of the Sea to make your creatures unblockable, while giving a scry each turn, and it seems like it should be an easy.
So overall, I think the deck would be better dropping either dropping green completely and replacing it with blue, or dropping cards like Vraska the Unseen , Golgari Charm , Putrefy , and Scuzzback Scrapper and replacing them with the blue cards mentioned above.
Fuel for the Cause occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%