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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Modern | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Pioneer | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Rules Q&A
Render Silent
Instant
Counter target spell. Its controller can't cast spells this turn.
DawnsRayofLight on
Dragon's Den
2 months ago
I definitely think Ancient Brass Dragon has a spot, it could help you reanimate your dragons (as well as whatever you grab from your opponents), I would maybe add that and maybe Goldspan Dragon
Three Visits and Nature's Lore over Cultivate.
Damn over Toxic Deluge
Augur of Autumn might be better than Realmwalker
Drop Aggravated Assault, Aura of Silence, Stinging Study (you have a good chunk of draw as it is), Imposing Grandeur, Spit Flame (there are better cards)
Mana Drain is nice, but I am usually not a fan of it in a deck with 4 or more colors
With this being 5 color, I am trying to debate the best early game package
maybe:
5 counterspells (from below)
An Offer You Can't Refuse, Swan Song, Wash Away, Dovin's Veto, Counterflux, Render Silent, Disallow
4-5 board wipes
Damn, Cyclonic Rift, Winds of Abandon, Supreme Verdict, Crux of Fate
7 2 drop ramps (need all)
Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Farseek, Three Visits, Nature's Lore, Bloom Tender, Coiling Oracle,
4 spot removal
Anguished Unmaking, Assassin's Trophy, Despark, Beast Within, Generous Gift, Fracture, Bedevil, Abrupt Decay
wallisface on
2 months ago
Some thoughts:
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80 cards is waay too many cards, you should always be aiming to play a deck of 60. Anything above this number just leads to massive consistency issues. Try to get rid of a bunch of cards to get back to this 60 number.
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Your land count needs revisiting. Scaling this to a 60 card deck, you're only running 20.25 lands, which is very, very low (Burn decks run 19 lands and only play cards costing 1-2 mana). When you reduce your deck to 60 cards, I think you still need to ensure you have a land count of 23ish lands.
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Your mana curve is waay too high. Modern decks typically can't justify running more than 3-4 cards at 4-mana, you've got a whopping 10 cards costing this much. Look to lower your mana curve.
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You're running a bunch of really poor card choices. For example, you've got a bunch of really average/poor countermagic (Render Silent, Ionize, Essence Backlash, Absorb) when you could be running some obviously-better cards (i.e. Counterspell). Other bad options include Ugin's Conjurant, which is just a strictly worse Endless One, and The Wanderer, which is just really niche (only really affects really-slow-red decks).
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Some of your cards are nonbos with each other. For example, you have some high mana sorcery cards (Clear the Mind, Divination) which when cast will prevent you using any meaningful countermagic. Control decks typically want to keep their defenses/options up during the opponents turn.
I think currently your list feels really disjointed - it's lacking focus. I would suggest trying to get down to 60 cards, upgrade the bad card choices, and try to apply more focus to what you're trying to do - currently it feels like there are too many cards that don't forward your gameplan.
Epicurus on
The Holy Dragons Legion
4 months ago
I appreciate the creativity, and there are certainly a few suggestions I could present. But first, I think it is most important to address your choice of Commander.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn is absolutely not the right Commander for this deck. And I don't mean to say that all 5-color Dragon tribal decks should have The Ur-Dragon at the helm (though, that would be a great choice, just sayin'). My reason is simple: you don't have enough color pair cards on the list for 'Ol Nivvy to be useful. Like, at all. Even as part of the 99.
Now, you could fix that by adding spells such as Terminate, Abrupt Decay, Diabolic Vision, Faeburrow Elder, Render Silent, Anguished Unmaking, etc etc etc... Not to mention that you only have 8 color pair dragons in the deck, and 5 of them are Gruul (meaning, first of all, that the most amount of dragons you could snatch with Niv would be 3 and the chances of doing so are astronomical, and secondly that if you revealed 3 or more dragons by some dumb luck they're more likely to all be Gruul than any other combination, meaning you'd only get to keep one).
The thing is, you'd have to add a helluva lot of cards to make Niv palatable for this deck, and that would mean basically overhauling the entire deck. A much easier task would be to just simply change the commander.
As for general suggestions, I think you can use some Haste enablers. Dragon Tempest, Temur Ascendancy, Dragonlord Kolaghan and Sarkhan Vol come readily to mind, but there are a ton of other choices, such as Rhythm of the Wild, Fires of Yavimaya and Samut, Tyrant Smasher.
As for your question about better low-mana dragons, understand that there really aren't many good ones below MV4. I mean, they're dragons. What do you expect? However, here's a few of the better ones that aren't an arm and a leg:
Again, if you're going for a genuinely low curve dragon deck, you're going to be disappointed. It just really can't be done.
And finally, Lathliss, Dragon Queen is quite upset that she wasn't included.
That's all I got.
Cheers!
DawnsRayofLight on
Target Acquired
6 months ago
One, maybe it would be funny to call the list Hinata-Kun XD
Control
Render Silent, Counterflux, Disallow for a bit more counter magic
Hullbreaker Horror: I have been really loving this card lately, it is expensive (CMC) but helps to keep control of the board
Opposition: works with Willbreaker and other cards I will suggest
Reality Shift, Fateful Absence, Generous Gift : spot removal
Malevolent Hermit  Flip: counterspell and protection
Teferi, Time Raveler, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, and Grand Abolisher protect your shennaigans
Drannith Magistrate: stop you oppnenets from casting their commanders
You could run Orbs with Urza and Opposition
Supreme Verdict, Winds of Abandon, Wrath of God: Wipes
Blinkers
Thassa, Deep-Dwelling: slow, but consistent
Blink Targets
Spellseeker: search your X spells
Cyberdrive Awakener: if you want to win off your rocks and treasure tokens
Draw
Sea Gate Restoration  Flip: may as well if you're playing blue
Shorikai, Genesis Engine: fun card, can be a win con between being an 8/8 beater and some combos involving Intruder Alarm
X spells
Disorder in the Court: this can help for draw, protection, and "Blinking"
Smoke Spirits' Aid: I don't know if it fits, but could be spicy
Combos
Deadeye Navigator/Eldrazi Displacer + Peregrine Drake = Infinite mana
Elsha, the Infinite/The Reality Chip + Sensei's Divining Top + Thassa's Oracle/AetherFlux
Hullbreaker Horror + Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Mana Vault: Infinite bounce only need 2 rocks
Dockside Extortionist + Deadeye Navigator: can generate infinite mana
Grand Architect + Pili-Pala: Infinite color mana, only need a Blue to initiate, I would have at least 2 infinite mana combos with all the X spells
Synod Artificer (I wish Hinata worked for abilities + Swift Reconfiguration + Gilded Lotus = infinite mana
win cons (Outside of combos)
Metallurgic Summonings: you make big tokens and gives recursion.
Guttersnipe: ouch
Monastery Mentor: tokens
Shark Typhoon: tokens
Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant is made for this list
Urza, Lord High Artificer: can make use of a lot of artifact tokens that can be created in this list and can be an outlet for infinite mana to cast your deck
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite: probably good if you run a lot of token producing cards like Saheeli, Sublime Artificer, Monastery Mentor, Shark Typhoon, Metallurgic Summonings, Manaform Hellkite, Talrand, Sky Summoner, Kykar, Wind's Fury
Other
DemonDragonJ on Double Masters 2022 Predictions and …
6 months ago
Render Silent, Gerrard's Verdict, Perplex, and Twisted Justice are some more cards that I would like to see reprinted.
Last_Laugh, Masters sets are only reprints, which I like, but I also hope to see the remaining two "swords of X and Y" at some point, as well, and I also would like to see the Nimbus Maze, Horizon Canopy, and Canopy Vista cycles of dual lands finished, as well.
DawnsRayofLight on
Breya Treasures
7 months ago
Adds:
Ashnod's Altar: combo piece
Time Sieve: combo and utility
Thopter Foundry: Combo and utility
Thopter Assembly: combo
Pili-Pala: Combo
Grand Architect: Combo and utility
Thopter Spy Network: tokens and fuel
Monologue Tax: Tax and tokens
Vindicate: Control
Despark: control
Utter End: Control
Render Silent: control
Counterflux: control
Mana Drain: control and utility
Wash Away: control
Damn: spot removal and wipe
Possible adds
Bronze Guardian: beater and protection
Ethersworn Adjudicator: Control
Marionette Master: token and some burn, a bit better impact tremors-combo
Angel of Invention: tokens and combo
Rhystic Study: Draw
Tezzeret, Artifice Master: draw, tokens, utility
Mirrodin Besieged: can make tokens or be a win con
Mechanized Production: Win con and utility
Hastapasta on zapyourtumor
8 months ago
Thank you so much! I have fixed my deck and accepted your suggestions. Some cards like Dovin's Veto or Render Silent I don't know what to replace with though.
zapyourtumor on
ULTIMATE AZORIUS CONTROL
8 months ago
Manabase: Temple lands tend to be pretty slow for modern. The filtering is nice but if I ran it I would only run 1, 4 feels like too many. I suggest running some manlands like Hall of Storm Giants and Celestial Colonnade, and maybe some filtering with Castle Vantress (which can enter untapped unlike the temples).
Counters: Counterspell is great. Some of your other choices could probably be improved though. Dovin's Veto is more of a sideboard card, while Force of Negation isn't as good in straight-up control lists since you go down on card advantage. Archmage's Charm is a strong counterspell that can also draw cards or steal an opponents threat which could be a Ragavan, DRC, hexdrinker, esper sentinel equipped with a hammer, etc, and I'd slot it in over Render Silent.
Overwhelming Denial is very bad because you will almost never have surge. If you want to play 4 mana counters I suggest good old Cryptic Command. Ashiok's Erasure is similarly bad. Even if it handles uncounterable threats (which aren't as numerous as you might think), it's generally better to just remove those threats instead of playing a bad 4 mana counter.
Removal: Verdicts are good (4 is a lot but I frequently see 3). However, Detention Sphere and Ixalan's Binding are both pretty slow removal spells. Sphere is not bad as a 1 of, but Binding is definitely too slow. The best removal spell in white right now is Prismatic Ending which I suggest since it can deal with opponents t1 ragavan and stuff. It would be better if you ran fetches and 1 three-color triome, but it's still not bad. Solitude is another option for removing bigger creatures. Cyclonic Rift is just bad, because bounce spells require you to waste another counterspell dealing with them. This deck is maybe the one deck in modern where you would overload it, but an overloaded cyclonic rift is to save your ass when you're behind, and if you're at 7 lands you're probably far ahead already. I'd just replace with more removal/counters.
Wincons: The planeswalkers look pretty solid, but I'm not sure Luminarch Ascension is worth it, given how mana-intensive it is. You could maybe work in 1 Teferi, Hero of Dominaria which is a control powerhouse.
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