Target creature loses all abilities and becomes 0/1 until end of turn.
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|Planar Chaos (PLC)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
2 weeks ago
Mj3913 Thanks for the suggestions and upvote!
Yeah Pingers are nostalgic if we started in the early days of magic.
Am still tweaking this deck so more suggestions are welcomed if you've them. Humiliator is an awesome card but fulfilling Metalcraft might be a challenge for this deck. I was originally considering one time mass effects like Polymorphist's Jest and Mass Diminish but eventually went with repeatable ones like Ovinize on Scepter and Warkite Marauder.
1 month ago
4 months ago
If you're still making considerations, I would look at Ovinize instead of Turn to Frog . Both are instant speed, but one makes the creature a 0/1 while the other is a 1/1. This could make a difference if the creature you want to steal is equipped or enchanted.
If you do go this route, I would also recommend do-nothing artifacts to swap like Darksteel Relic , Sigil of Distinction , or Sphere of the Suns . Also Master of Waves will let you swap a 1/0 elemental to your opponent that will die as soon as you give it to them, and Bronze Bombshell will explode for 7 damage while you keep their creature.
5 months ago
So, I have a couple suggestions. I found this deck under the 'help' tab, but your description doesn't ask for help. So please forgive me if I sound presumptuous.
Preordain . Ponder and Brainstorm are already in your deck, and Preordain will help dig to lands if you need them, and past lands if you don't. One-mana cantrips are some of the best cards for getting a deck more powerful. Importantly, running more cantrips means that you can cut a land or two, meaning your deck will have a higher average card power.
Your mana-base has room for improvement. Watery Grave is great, especially if you end up running fetch lands. Zendikar/Onslaught fetches like Polluted Delta or Misty Rainforest are easily the best fetches, but slow-type like Bad River and Rocky Tar Pit can also be useful. Also, consider Prismatic Vista . With a high concentration of land-based shuffle effects, Brainstorm becomes more and more powerful. Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse are good substitutes. Sunken Hollow and Fetid Pools are also fetch-able. Other duals, like Underground River , Morphic Pool and Choked Estuary are also good.
In non-green EDH decks, artifact ramp is of prime importance. Talisman of Dominance , Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone and Thought Vessel are all great. Two-mana rocks are significantly better than three-mana rocks in EDH, as by the time you have three mana you usually want to do more powerful things than cast a rock. Additionally, if you end up running Ancient Tomb or Mana Crypt (which are hard to get ahold of), you can land a two-mana rock turn-one. Mana Vault also happens to be busted.
In magic, it happens that it's a LOT easier to exile your deck than an opponent's. Jace, Wielder of Mysteries works great in Doomsday -style decks; if you're smarter than me, you can probably use Doomsday to tutor up your infinite mana combo. More simply, you can just cast Demonic Consultation with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries on the table, naming a card not in your deck (I generally use Atog or Singing Tree ), and then draw a card to win. So you may want to include Demonic Consultation and/or Doomsday , the latter if you have a lot of power in the brain-thingy.
I see you're running Ashiok, Dream Render ; I love that card. Narset, Parter of Veils is also worth running, especially if you choose to include Windfall . Narset's been kicking ass in Vintage recently, and I have found her to be completely nuts in EDH.
I may be missing something, but I am unsure as to why you're running Seat of the Synod and Vault of Whispers . If you had a Mox Opal in the list they might make more sense, but as things stand I think they're just worse than Island s and Swamp s. Back to Basics , Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon , By Force , Null Rod , Stony Silence and Collector Ouphe are all rampant in EDH (at least in my experience), so I think you'd be better off cutting the artifact-lands.
Vision Skeins is an interesting include; you may be interested in running Words of Wisdom , which gets your opponents less out of the card. Also, if you run Notion Thief , the card is pure value. Note also that Vision Skeins becomes Words of Wisdom if you have Narset, Parter of Veils out.
Ovinize is worse than Rapid Hybridization or Pongify , in my opinion. I think you should run two to three boardwipes -- Cyclonic Rift , Toxic Deluge and Damnation are the best ones, I think, with Toxic Deluge on top (you can cast it while Gaddock Teeg is down).
Demonic Tutor is the best tutor, and Scheming Symmetry is good in a deck heavy in mill effects. There're some other good tutors to consider, of varying price: Vampiric Tutor , Diabolic Tutor , Fabricate (to get Isochron Scepter ), Mystical Tutor (for your Dramatic Reversal ), Dark Petition , Beseech the Queen , Mastermind's Acquisition and Lim-Dul's Vault are all good. Ideally, you wouldn't include the four-mana tutors, since they tend to take a whole turn to resolve. I suggest running around two or three more tutors than you have now.
There're a couple of ways to generate card-advantage that I think are worth including in a final list of this deck. I'm not entirely certain how the deck plays, but if you have Oona, Queen of the Fae out frequently without an infinite-mana combo, Skullclamp is definitely worth including. Sticking it on one of your faerie tokens means butt-loads of card-advantage. Slate of Ancestry is similarly good if you tend to have a high creature-count. Fact or Fiction and Chemister's Insight are alright instant-speed card-draw. Phyrexian Arena is a good piece of permanent-based card-draw, and Dark Confidant , if you have access to it, is great with your low average CMC. Speaking of low CMC, Ad Nauseam is a great card-draw spell; I recommend including it for the high-value card-draw.
If you want to pour money in here, Cavern of Souls is a great way to make sure your general isn't countered.
There're a few counterspells you don't have that I think you might find useful. Counterspell itself is good, and it's far pricier cousin, Mana Drain , is also great. Spell Snare , Swan Song and Flusterstorm are all great counters as well. Turn Aside is one I've thought about but never used... you may want to consider it.
If you choose to keep mainly basics and avoid the duals mentioned in (2), consider Back to Basics . The card is under $10 nowadays, and it's a great way to punish greedy mana bases.
Ok! That's all I got. Good luck, man!
11 months ago
Looking pretty good so far austintayshus! Excited to see how this comes out!
Some cards that can be considered:
- Sunder - Maybe a bit too rude?
- Murder - Removal with no downside.
- Delay - All around good counterspell.
- Obliterate - Better than Jokulhaups because it can't be countered.
- Kaboom! - It's just funny casting this spell.
- Ovinize - Can be useful.
- Hatred - Goes on theme and can threaten to one-shot someone.
- Blightning - Hand disruption?
- Rewind - Untapping lands is great.
- Unwind - Same as above.
- Opt - Better than Omen in some ways.
- Phthisis - It's funny saying this word.
- Necropotence - Best card draw as well as refill.
- Desertion - I want to have nice things too :P
- Plaguecrafter - On theme and works with Thrax.
Just some more ideas lol and maybe for lands you can consider running:
They aren't great but they funny to add in haha, hope that helps!
1 year ago
1 year ago
Good to see you here, hkhssweiss and thank you for the ideas. You're definitely onto something in most, if not all, cases. I still have trouble considering taking some of them out, but below is my responses and I'd be grateful to hear what you have to say!
I can definitely see Lorescale Coatl as being one of the top removals. He's great cause he get's big in here, fast, and having another option for that as a win-con is helpful. 3 out of the 6 games I've run this so far (heavy on cards) I've pulled off one of my psychological end-games with one opponent surviving and threw Traveler's Cloak on a Mr.Bigs for the final blow. However, I also have Toothy, Skulker, Psychosis Crawler and Tishana herself, so I probably won't need Lorescale. Moving to maybe.
Saying that, Bioshift was in case I (likely_ get 1-2 of the 3 counter generators out and either be able to shift them all onto Toothy for a bounce, Skulker before it's removed, or onto something else for a final surprise blow. However, if I'm taking out Lorescale Coatl , Bioshift loses much of that value. Moving to maybe.
Vorel of the Hull Clade on the other hand does any kind of counters rather than just +1/+1, which is super potent with either of the Myojins. So much so that he becomes a power-node in the network.
Keeping him in means Seahunter also stays as power-node; while I only have 4 merfolk in here, they each play a strong role with a different win-con setup depending on what's happening in the game. One draws me a bunch of cards from having none, one windfalls my hand to the same size for mass card-draw triggers, one flickers Tishana (or other ETB creatures), and the other doubles the counters on the Myojins or Mr.Bigs creatures. To tutor one of these out at any time, directly on to the battlefield for free becomes game winning in many cases. He, like Mirror Image , is one of those creatures that doesn't have great face value, but his place in the network makes him worthy of a spot.
Simic Guildmage is a tough one. I'm not entirely convinced on taking Traveler's Cloak out because of the power I've seen it have in many games. Also the other auras are part of infinite combos, but also helpful to get out on non-combo creatures early on, to speed up my board state. I need a way to shift the aura's when one of the other combo pieces hits the ground. It's also great interactivity with the Voltron style some decks in my meta play, and the protection people put on their commanders. I'll keep an eye on him though as I play test this. I'd say he's definitely an option to move to the maybe board.
Renewing Touch was in mind as something to restock my deck in a grindy game, to keep me from milling myself and to get all the great utility creatures back. I haven't gotten to a grindy game yet with this, so I think this will make its way to sideboard for now for sure. Same with Boundless Realms , though I do believe it has big power to not just ramp huge, then thin my draws to mainly creatures which I can then play without a problem because of all the mana available. Keep in mind I'm in a slower meta... however, I do also see it for how it lacks value in the more linear, focused gameplay where I'm just trying to get to the win-con. Sideboarding it.
Ovinize - I'm worried about lack of removal in this deck and there's players in my meta who us stuff like angels that give all their creatures indestructible or hexproof. This guy seems great for dealing with those things, especially with the help of politicking. On that note, Winged Coatl is also great as, once players in my meta know he's in my deck they talk themselves out of attacking me if I have a few mana up. Or not attacking if he's on the board. In the end, with both of these, I'm worried about not having answers, both to power creatures in others decks, and monsters attacking me when I have a board full of little creatures. I'll try pulling these out and give it a bunch of plays to see what happens, but it's tough.
Great call on Deadeye Navigator ! I've been wanting an excuse to pick one of these up and, while I'm worried about his place on the curve, I see his great value and think this deck could handle it in many cases. It's powerful as a repeatable flicker, for sure.
Also, when I was reviewing your Tuvasa of the Eternal Aeon Primer, I noticed Pemmin's Aura which I think could replace Freed from the Real here. It has the same untap ability, but also can make the creature flying which gives it double duty as more evasion for one of the Mr.Bigs. What do you think?