Each player draws two cards.
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|Archenemy: Nicol Bolas (E01)||Common|
|Commander 2013 (C13)||Common|
|MTG: Commander (CMD)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Vision Skeins occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%
Vision Skeins Discussion
3 months ago
Yo! Thran Quarry , Reflecting Pool , Opal Palace , Holdout Settlement , and/or Unknown Shores instead of the 3c enter tapped lands? Ramos, Dragon Engine could be a nice color fix too, especially if you wanted to go for a way to boost counters.
Not sure Debt to the Deathless is doing much, but I'm probably missing something.
4 months ago
So, I have a couple suggestions. I found this deck under the 'help' tab, but your description doesn't ask for help. So please forgive me if I sound presumptuous.
Preordain . Ponder and Brainstorm are already in your deck, and Preordain will help dig to lands if you need them, and past lands if you don't. One-mana cantrips are some of the best cards for getting a deck more powerful. Importantly, running more cantrips means that you can cut a land or two, meaning your deck will have a higher average card power.
Your mana-base has room for improvement. Watery Grave is great, especially if you end up running fetch lands. Zendikar/Onslaught fetches like Polluted Delta or Misty Rainforest are easily the best fetches, but slow-type like Bad River and Rocky Tar Pit can also be useful. Also, consider Prismatic Vista . With a high concentration of land-based shuffle effects, Brainstorm becomes more and more powerful. Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse are good substitutes. Sunken Hollow and Fetid Pools are also fetch-able. Other duals, like Underground River , Morphic Pool and Choked Estuary are also good.
In non-green EDH decks, artifact ramp is of prime importance. Talisman of Dominance , Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone and Thought Vessel are all great. Two-mana rocks are significantly better than three-mana rocks in EDH, as by the time you have three mana you usually want to do more powerful things than cast a rock. Additionally, if you end up running Ancient Tomb or Mana Crypt (which are hard to get ahold of), you can land a two-mana rock turn-one. Mana Vault also happens to be busted.
In magic, it happens that it's a LOT easier to exile your deck than an opponent's. Jace, Wielder of Mysteries works great in Doomsday -style decks; if you're smarter than me, you can probably use Doomsday to tutor up your infinite mana combo. More simply, you can just cast Demonic Consultation with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries on the table, naming a card not in your deck (I generally use Atog or Singing Tree ), and then draw a card to win. So you may want to include Demonic Consultation and/or Doomsday , the latter if you have a lot of power in the brain-thingy.
I see you're running Ashiok, Dream Render ; I love that card. Narset, Parter of Veils is also worth running, especially if you choose to include Windfall . Narset's been kicking ass in Vintage recently, and I have found her to be completely nuts in EDH.
I may be missing something, but I am unsure as to why you're running Seat of the Synod and Vault of Whispers . If you had a Mox Opal in the list they might make more sense, but as things stand I think they're just worse than Island s and Swamp s. Back to Basics , Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon , By Force , Null Rod , Stony Silence and Collector Ouphe are all rampant in EDH (at least in my experience), so I think you'd be better off cutting the artifact-lands.
Vision Skeins is an interesting include; you may be interested in running Words of Wisdom , which gets your opponents less out of the card. Also, if you run Notion Thief , the card is pure value. Note also that Vision Skeins becomes Words of Wisdom if you have Narset, Parter of Veils out.
Ovinize is worse than Rapid Hybridization or Pongify , in my opinion. I think you should run two to three boardwipes -- Cyclonic Rift , Toxic Deluge and Damnation are the best ones, I think, with Toxic Deluge on top (you can cast it while Gaddock Teeg is down).
Demonic Tutor is the best tutor, and Scheming Symmetry is good in a deck heavy in mill effects. There're some other good tutors to consider, of varying price: Vampiric Tutor , Diabolic Tutor , Fabricate (to get Isochron Scepter ), Mystical Tutor (for your Dramatic Reversal ), Dark Petition , Beseech the Queen , Mastermind's Acquisition and Lim-Dul's Vault are all good. Ideally, you wouldn't include the four-mana tutors, since they tend to take a whole turn to resolve. I suggest running around two or three more tutors than you have now.
There're a couple of ways to generate card-advantage that I think are worth including in a final list of this deck. I'm not entirely certain how the deck plays, but if you have Oona, Queen of the Fae out frequently without an infinite-mana combo, Skullclamp is definitely worth including. Sticking it on one of your faerie tokens means butt-loads of card-advantage. Slate of Ancestry is similarly good if you tend to have a high creature-count. Fact or Fiction and Chemister's Insight are alright instant-speed card-draw. Phyrexian Arena is a good piece of permanent-based card-draw, and Dark Confidant , if you have access to it, is great with your low average CMC. Speaking of low CMC, Ad Nauseam is a great card-draw spell; I recommend including it for the high-value card-draw.
If you want to pour money in here, Cavern of Souls is a great way to make sure your general isn't countered.
There're a few counterspells you don't have that I think you might find useful. Counterspell itself is good, and it's far pricier cousin, Mana Drain , is also great. Spell Snare , Swan Song and Flusterstorm are all great counters as well. Turn Aside is one I've thought about but never used... you may want to consider it.
If you choose to keep mainly basics and avoid the duals mentioned in (2), consider Back to Basics . The card is under $10 nowadays, and it's a great way to punish greedy mana bases.
Ok! That's all I got. Good luck, man!
6 months ago
The replacement effect from Chains changes Vision Skeins ' effect from "each player draws two cards" to "each player does the Chains thing twice". In your Nephalia Academy example, the opponent with the Academy can apply it to the discards. In your Tamiyo, Collector of Tales example, however, if you cast the Skeins then the opponent mills twice and doesn't draw, because they didn't "discard a card this way".
6 months ago
Keep in mind that when replacement effects modify an event, they don't change the source of the event. The original source is still the source. In your Chains/Academy example: If your opponent casts Vision Skeins then it's their own Skeins that will cause them to discard cards after Chains is applied, so Academy won't do anything. If you cast the Skeins, however, then it's your spell/ability that is causing them to discard after Chains is applied, and Academy can be applied to that event.
8 months ago
yeah am kinda trying out the various new stuff, the Day's Undoing is a strong interaction for a heavier narset deck but on it's own it's kind of weaker or outright unplayable vs many decks in the format (randomly just thought of Vision Skeins with narset)
It's more likely the deck would rather have some hieroglyphs than a couple of these wincons, but most of these are just wincons wearing different faces that makes extraction a little weaker vs me. Maybe modern horizon's will print a really sweet cycling card (dreams of a phyrexian 1 cycle cost).
Though honestly I haven't been able to see what the local meta I'm nearby is looking like atm, maybe surgical isn't as popular as it has been.
8 months ago
DerektheRed THx for feedback. I kind of want to keep Perplex the transmute can look for Celestial Dawn . I think I am going to add Paradox Haze taking out Vision Skeins . BTW I like your Stax/ Control sen deck. I was going that route, but ti was more expensive and kinda the same thing every game. THx for feedback
8 months ago
hey lifemtg - Trips are looking good. A few thoughts before tomorrow...
High level: you're honing in on some good strategies, I think if you tighten them up you'll have a really fun deck. Karn's Temporal Sundering is intriguing - hitting multiple players is powerful. Maybe add more extra turns? Or, cards that support this general strategy like Paradox Haze and Mindslaver .
I also like where you're headed with blink / ETB (adding Alley Evasion). You've got Sphinx Summoner, Sharuum, Treasure Mage, etc... I'd consider adding more blink.
Building up other players' hands is risky, but that's what Trips want right? Have you considered adding wheels like Windfall ? (also, suggest replacing one-time Vision Skeins with recurring Temple Bell or similar.)
Last, here are my recommendations for cuts:
Trinket Mage fetches Sol Ring and nothing else
Finale of Glory , meh. Play someone else's!
Perplex is counterproductive.
My Trips deck isn't trying to do what yours does (and it's not budget) but feel free to skim and see if there's anything of interest in there.
Commander / EDH
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