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|Archenemy: Nicol Bolas (E01)||Common|
|Commander 2013 (C13)||Common|
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Each player draws two cards.
Vision Skeins Discussion
5 days ago
The replacement effect from Chains changes Vision Skeins ' effect from "each player draws two cards" to "each player does the Chains thing twice". In your Nephalia Academy example, the opponent with the Academy can apply it to the discards. In your Tamiyo, Collector of Tales example, however, if you cast the Skeins then the opponent mills twice and doesn't draw, because they didn't "discard a card this way".
6 days ago
Keep in mind that when replacement effects modify an event, they don't change the source of the event. The original source is still the source. In your Chains/Academy example: If your opponent casts Vision Skeins then it's their own Skeins that will cause them to discard cards after Chains is applied, so Academy won't do anything. If you cast the Skeins, however, then it's your spell/ability that is causing them to discard after Chains is applied, and Academy can be applied to that event.
2 months ago
yeah am kinda trying out the various new stuff, the Day's Undoing is a strong interaction for a heavier narset deck but on it's own it's kind of weaker or outright unplayable vs many decks in the format (randomly just thought of Vision Skeins with narset)
It's more likely the deck would rather have some hieroglyphs than a couple of these wincons, but most of these are just wincons wearing different faces that makes extraction a little weaker vs me. Maybe modern horizon's will print a really sweet cycling card (dreams of a phyrexian 1 cycle cost).
Though honestly I haven't been able to see what the local meta I'm nearby is looking like atm, maybe surgical isn't as popular as it has been.
2 months ago
DerektheRed THx for feedback. I kind of want to keep Perplex the transmute can look for Celestial Dawn . I think I am going to add Paradox Haze taking out Vision Skeins . BTW I like your Stax/ Control sen deck. I was going that route, but ti was more expensive and kinda the same thing every game. THx for feedback
2 months ago
hey lifemtg - Trips are looking good. A few thoughts before tomorrow...
High level: you're honing in on some good strategies, I think if you tighten them up you'll have a really fun deck. Karn's Temporal Sundering is intriguing - hitting multiple players is powerful. Maybe add more extra turns? Or, cards that support this general strategy like Paradox Haze and Mindslaver .
I also like where you're headed with blink / ETB (adding Alley Evasion). You've got Sphinx Summoner, Sharuum, Treasure Mage, etc... I'd consider adding more blink.
Building up other players' hands is risky, but that's what Trips want right? Have you considered adding wheels like Windfall ? (also, suggest replacing one-time Vision Skeins with recurring Temple Bell or similar.)
Last, here are my recommendations for cuts:
Trinket Mage fetches Sol Ring and nothing else
Finale of Glory , meh. Play someone else's!
Perplex is counterproductive.
My Trips deck isn't trying to do what yours does (and it's not budget) but feel free to skim and see if there's anything of interest in there.
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2 months ago
Hi Jayd0nlink thx for the suggestions. I think I am going to try to get lands under 1 dollar. I think I am going to add Seat of the Synod . Cascading Cataracts is a nice choice I am going to add. Since this deck is trying to get other peoples cards, I need the opponent to have cards I want. I want to take out Oloro, Ageless Ascetic , also Colossus of Akros . I know Blightsteel Colossus is an amazing add, but its not really a necessary card. Wurmcoil Engine is also usually a automatic add in most EDH decks but, ehhh, I think its going in my Daretti deck. Coastal Breach technically is not necessary. I would rather use target removal, or bounce.
Cards going in------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cards going out----------------------------------------------------------------------- - Blightsteel Colossus - Oloro, Ageless Ascetic - Colossus of Akros - Wurmcoil Engine - Coastal Breach - Inkwell Leviathan - Scoured Barrens - Persuasion
THX for all the suggestions. IF you could tell me how its looking, that would be great. Again, just in case, this deck utilizes other peoples cards, and hands,bouncing stuff they already casted. Letting them draw cards for our use. Helm of the Host can do wonky stuff with our commander, letting us control other peoples hands, more than one.
2 months ago
The card draws that A or B would get directly from Vision Skeins ' effect get stolen by the other's Notion Thief , but then get stolen back by the first player's Thief. This means A and B each get at least two cards.
However, C and D get to choose who their draws go to. If multiple replacement effects (you can usually tell them by "as", "with", or "instead" somewhere in the text) are trying to change how an event would affect a player or object, then the affected player or controller of the affected object decides which one to apply. This means that for each of their draws, C and D get to choose which of A's and B's Thieves will steal it first, and then the other player's Thief will steal it for good. Because C and D are being asked to make decisions at the same time, they make them in turn order, starting with the active player.
2 months ago
so lets say a game of 4 person (A,B,C,D in that turn order) what would happen when
a)A and B has notion thief and A casts vision skeins
b)A and B has notion thief and B casts vision skeins
c)A and B has notion thief and C or D casts vision skeins
d)A and C has notion thief and A casts vision skeins
e)A and C has notion thief and B casts vision skeins
for all modes consider each player has drawn his first card for the turn
sorry for long question
Vision Skeins occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%