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When this enters the battlefield, put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
, : Proliferate. (You choose any number of permanents and/or players with counters on them, then give each another counter of a kind already there.)
amarthaler on EDH Skithiryx, the Blighted Dragon
1 month ago
Deck overhaul list!
Out: Cabal Ritual... Dark Ritual... Dark Confidant... Dash Hopes... Dauthi Voidwalker... Feign Death... Lotus Petal... Mana Crypt... O-Naginata... Oubliette... Royal Assassin... Sign in Blood... Sword of the Chosen... The Meathook Massacre... Vorpal Sword... Wasteland... Withering Boon... 1x Swamp
In: Blightbelly Rat... Contagion Clasp... Decanter of Endless Water... Drown in Ichor...Hand of the Praetors... Infectious Inquiry... Mirrex... Necrogen Communion... Nimraiser Paladin... Pestilent Syphoner... Phyrexian Arena... Sudden Spoiling... The Seedcore... Thought Vessel... Trailblazer's Torch... Vraska's Fall... Vraska, Betrayal's Sting... Whisper of the Dross
Mortlocke on The Song of Phyresis
1 month ago
Thanks for posting! ONE is definitely going to shake this deck up considerably in that I absolutely plan to incorporate some of the spells that give opponents Poison counters - without targeting them, no less. I have a number of changes already planned and would love to hear your thoughts as I'm honestly having a bit of a tough time speculating on what to cut to make room. So far, here are my planned changes
Ixhel, Descendent of Atraxa for Hand of the Praetors: Given that Infect will be less dominant of a mechanic among creatures in this deck cutting Hand of the Praetors seems logical. Besides, with the host of cards that allow me to place poison counters directly on opponents, Hand of the Praetors seems even less relevant.
Skrelv, Defector Mite for Viridian Corrupter: Skrlev provides so many benefits being a psudo Mother of Runes that also grants Toxic and evasion. Viridian Corrupter's ETB effect is far too narrow for my liking, and only amounts to just a 2/2 with Infect. Toxic creatures such as Skrlev boast so many "goodstuff" effects that it's a no brainer why Corrupter has to be cut.
Myr Convert for Grateful Apparition: Apparition has long been on the replacement list as it's a non-phyrexian. Myr Convert is a perfect replacement as it's another mana dork that can put poison counters on players. Losing a proliferation source is a loss, but given the horde of new Toxic creatures that proliferate off of one trigger or another, this overall is a net gain.
Bloated Contaminator for Priests of Norn: Bloated Contaminator is actually my dream creature for the set. Evasion, Poison and Proliferate on a great body is just a dream come true. My only hope is that there is another creature just like it in March of the Machines. Priests of Norn is an okay creature for the most part but doesn't amount to much beyond just being a 1/4 infect creature.
White Sun's Twilight for Winds of Abandon: I've always been somewhat disappointed with Winds of Abandon as it more likely than not can ramp my opponent far beyond my ability to stop them. Sure, a horde of tokens can be wiped out - but at what cost? White Sun's Twilight isn't exactly a one sided boardwipe, but it can get me a bunch of 1/1 creatures that put Poison counters on players on top of slowing them down.
Vraska, Betrayal's Sting for Sheoldred, Whispering One: Obviously i'm happy to see Phyrexian themed planeswalkers and I'm overjoyed to see another Planeswalker with a focus on Poison counters. Swapping Vraska in for Sheoldred is both a mechanics and a flavor win - Sheoldred turned her back on Elesh Norn to pursue her own misguided and selfish desires along with the heretic Urbrask.
Tyrranax Rex for Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger: I've enjoyed the Soft lock VoH places on the board just by virtue of being there alone, but I've felt that his control never really synchronized with the rest of the deck. Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider compliments the deck directly and is a huge flavor win. Tyrranax Rex just seems like the perfect upgrade as it is CMC cheaper, has almost as many keywords as Questing Beast and places multiple Poison counters on an opponent when it hits. Rex in my eyes is a "backup" Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon in terms of power level and "feel".
Phyresis Outbreak for Toxic Deluge: Phyresis Outbreak is the mass removal I've always wished for and is a direct upgrade to Deluge - within the context of this deck that is. This card is absolutely a must include.
The Seedcore for Swamp: The Seedcore gives me Sliver Hive vibes, but having a card that fixes my mana in a 4 color deck and is a flavor win just seems like a no-brainer.
Venerated Rotpriest for Glistener Elf: Venerated Rotpriest is just a deterrent as this deck has very few spells that I would consider worthwhile for targeting my own creatures. Glistener Elf is an okay card but within the context of EDH it's "meh". Late game it hardly makes an impact without a horde of +1/+1 counters and some form of evasion.
Contaminant Grafter for Blight Mamba: Containment Grafter feels like a great card that can help reinforce a boardstate and put additional pressure on opponents mid to late game. Early game it would essentially help me run away with the game through conditional ramp and card advantage. Blight Mamba has honestly never done much for me and generally is as impactful as Glistener Elf.
Now comes the list of cards I think are at least worth considering (that I may or may not include) but don't exactly know what to cut to make room for:
Staff of Compleation: This is a big flashy card that caught my attention given the myriad of things it can do. However without the right combo piece this card could end up doing me more harm than good.
Glistening Sphere: There are very few drop mana rocks that are worthwhile, but this one definitely caught my eye. I'm not sure if it's any better than Astral Cornucopia though, as i've been ramped into the stratosphere with just a few proliferation triggers. Not to mention it only gets better just by having Atraxa on the field. I really want to like this card, but it doesn't seem to make the cut. If only it were
Infectious Inquiry: this seems like an absolute must have and am honestly considering cutting Phyrexian Arena for it. Arena does nothing the turn it ETBs and if I draw it late game it'll literally do nothing. Infectious Inquiry on the otherhand is always relevant, replaces itself and draws me a card. I just can't help but feel like i'm missing something by cutting Phyrexian Arena. I want to go ahead with this decision but I can't help but feel apprehensive and would really like your thoughts on this one.
Infectious Bite: I want to love this card but unfortunately besides the commander there are relatively few creatures whose bite would make any meaningful impact on the game. I think I might pass on this one.
Prologue to Phyresis: Everything you said about this card is spot on, and it is relevant at any point of the game. The question is - what to cut for it? I think cutting Contagion Clasp might be the move on this one, but i'm not entirely sure. Clasp is very conditional removal but what's important is that it's a repeatable proliferation source. But, maybe the new inclusions will help offset the loss of a proliferation source? I think this is the right move but I would like to hear your thoughts.
"What's your experience with Blightsteel Colossus and Contagion Engine? Do they ever come out to the battlefield or just happen to be on-theme inclusions?" To answer your question both hit the battlefield on a regular basis. Blightsteel Colossus is surprisingly easy to cast with a proliferated Astral Cornucopia or Everflowing Chalice. One of my best plays was countering a Villainous Wealth with being equal to 8 with Mana Drain and funneling that mana into a turn 5 Blightsteel. Contagion Engine is great for mass removal as well as a proliferation engine. If I tutor for it it's usually alongside Tangle Wire after Ichor Rats hit the field. It essentially grinds the game down to a snail's pace - or a halt under the right conditions.
End rant, sorry to write you a book but I had a lot on my mind. Please let me know what you think of all the upcoming changes!
thefiresoflurve on Tekuthal Counters and Stuff
1 month ago
This looks really fun! Kappa Cannoneer would be a great addition, I think - but not sure what you could cut for it.
Wizard Class is a pretty easy include here, I think, as well as Rogue's Passage - if your commander has evasion and easily sustained indestructible, I think it makes sense to have both of these for a backup win condition in case your artifacts are exiled.
If you need more creatures: Ominous Seas could be awesome.
Temporal Distortion + Contagion Clasp == everyone else might as well concede.
Iceberg might be nice since your average CMC looks a touch on the high side. I would prefer running more proliferate effects, probably, unless you feel you need the mana.
Tolaria West is a must-have in monoblue since it can tutor any land for you.
CharTheRac on It's About Mushrooms
2 months ago
carpecanum, thank you so much for your feedback!
I'm completely new to commander (besides playing 2 games), and after a hiatus from MTG I thought I'd make a commander deck to join into the hype ^^
I got rid of some cards that didn't have anything special (Blood Artist), didn't fit the commander's color (Nahiri's Machinations), or were being replaced by others abilities (Engineered Might and Lunarch Mantle); to add Dolmen Gate, Contagion Clasp (for good measure), Contagion Engine, and Pollenbright Wings.
Thank you again for the comment!
DemonDragonJ on How Can I Put Staff …
2 months ago
Also, I cannot believe that I forgot to mention this, but Grim Affliction proliferates only once, whereas both Contagion Clasp and staff of completion can proliferate repeatedly, so that is another argument in favor of replacing the affliction with the staff.
DemonDragonJ on How Can I Put Staff …
2 months ago
The new staff of completion is too awesome to not put into my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice EDH deck, but I need to decide which card to remove to make room for it.
I think that Contagion Clasp is the best choice, since the staff is essentially a better version of it, although I could also consider Grim Affliction, but that card is useful as a removal spell, so I may wish to keep it in the deck.
What does everyone else say about this? How can I put staff of completion into my Atraxa deck?
Tur on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?
3 months ago
I agree with Sheldon to some extent.
First, it's incorrect to compare Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines's abilities to Panharmonicon and Torpor Orb. It's permanents not creatures.
(Nobody should care about the first ability, Yarok, the Desecrated is the second most popular Sultai commander and has been around forever. It's just extra stuff.)
It's the second ability which is problematic. Assume you play Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines. Not only do your permanents prevent your opponents permanents from triggering, it also prevents your opponents permanents from triggering from their own permanents. This is the first card in all of Magic: The Gathering with this effect.
Here are just some examples, I got from scrolling through the most popular commander Atraxa, Praetors' Voice on EDHREC (I do not own an Atraxa deck.) which would be effected by Elesh Norn:
- Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion
- Pir, Imaginative Rascal
- Winding Constrictor
- Astral Cornucopia / Everflowing Chalice
- Contagion Engine / Contagion Clasp
- Doubling Season
- Oath of Teferi / Oath of Nissa / Oath of Jace / etc.
- Felidar Retreat
- Saga Enchantments start at Chapter 0.
- Citadel Siege
- Bojuka Bog
Just thinking about all kinds of interactions which are possible gives me a headache.
Honestly, the Painter's Servant interactions are much easier to understand and that was a card which was banned for the interactions being too much.
If Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines had the errata to "Permanents you control entering the battlefield don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger" it would be much more manageable.
NV_1980 on Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
4 months ago
I love how creative you've been in terms of the cards you've added. So many that would be rather weak without the proliferate mechanic and almost no player that has recently started playing knows about. +1 for that alone!
Would Contagion Clasp also fit, in the role of providing more proliferation redundancy? I'd say cards like Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider and Doubling Season would be perfect in here, but you probably didn't include these for budget reasons.
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