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Rules Q&A
Plague Stinger
Creature — Phyrexian Insect Horror
Flying
Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
Unlife on
Infect combo
4 months ago
One of infects deck's weaknesses is how few 'playable' infect creature there are for modern. Most decks run Glistener Elf, Blighted Agent, Plague Stinger, Inkmoth Nexus, and occasionally Ichorclaw Myr in some combination so they're sure to have a creature or two to pump for the kill. With only Blighted Agent, you are rarely going to consistently have an agent in hand to play.
You also need some protection. Infect decks are build around things like Vines of Vastwood and Blossoming Defense that both pump and protect your creatures from the removal that turns your 10/10 infect creature into just another graveyard addition.
I'd recommend looking at a current modern simic infect decklist, and finding ways to splash red and doublestrike in (Assault Strobe is also an option) so you have a strong core to work from.
Kazierts on
Pushing Poison
11 months ago
After reading your comment taking another look at your deck, I realized it has 70 cards. While, as I said, I don't intend to change your deckbuilding style, you should basically never go above 60 cards, unless your deck runs Yorion, Sky Nomad or Battle of Wits.
Your deckbuilding guidelines are quite interesting. Here's a few things I'd like to mention regarding them:
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First, a compliment so it doesn't like I'm just criticizing everything. What you mentioned about legendary creatures is basically the correct way to play with them, in most cases. Too many can brick you and too few makes them hard to draw.
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While, in some cases, it's good a backup windocondition, that does not apply to every archetype, Infect included. Because of the Infect keyword, the literally doesn't care about the opponent's life total. So, when you suddenly try to change to hit their life total with one or two creatures that don't have Infect, you're basically starting everything from scratch in the middle of a game. This goes into my next point which is your fear of hate cards.
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I completely understand some cards that can shut your deck down are scary, but I feel like you're letting your fear get in the way of your deck. I'll use my deck as example. My manabase is almost completely made of nonbasic lands, yet Blood Moon doesn't scare me. Why? I have Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek. If that's not enough, then I also have Ratchet Bomb in my sideboard. Melira, Sylvok Outcast? Fatal Push, Damn, Collective Brutality and Liliana of the Veil all deal with it. My point is there multiple ways to deal with threats that don't force you into an extremely narrow path. Also, if you're playing Modern, no one will use Back to Basics because it's not legal. This also goes into my next point, which is the mana effiency.
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Despite you saying you like to be mana effienct, a lot of cards here aren't. As I mentioned, some of them basically do nothing. Some actually do, but are overcoste, even in you examples. Sage's Row Denizen is very inefficient because mill decks like to turbo mill (which is something I personally don't like). This means the best mill creatures are Ruin Crab and Hedron Crab. When we come fo poisoning opponents, that's why Hand of the Praetors sees basically zero play outside of commander. Usually people just cast a Glistener Elf turn 1 and a Scale Up turn 2. Also, you're looking at the ratio, but not the usefulness of the creature. Sure, Cystbearer costs the same, manawise, as a Rot Wolf, but is incredibly worse.
If you want to follow this path of winning bast cast infect creatures with the hand on the field, then:
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Ichor Rats gives one by itself, making it two with the Hand.
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Another option, though a bit expensive, is Phyrexian Metamorph. It doesn't have Infect it self, but it can copy an Ichor Rats and a Hand.
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Plague Myr has Infect itself and allows you to cast a turn 3 Hand of the Praetors.
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Blight Mamba is a two mana creature that protects itself.
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And Whispering Specter is a Plague Stinger with an upside for one more mana.
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If you want to add a huge bomb, Phyrexian Swarmlord is going to capitalize really easily on all the counters your opponent already has.
I understand if the above mentioned are a bit above your budget. A lot of these Infect cards haven't had a reprint yet.
I love when people go for nonstandard builds of decks. I hope you cam improve this without sacrificing too much of your own style.
TheoryCrafter on
Infect
1 year ago
Have you considered Hand of the Praetors? This card will strengthen your creatures and give your opponents poison counters.
Sorin Markov Is good, but with Dread Presence, those affects are cumulative. May I suggest replacing Sorin with Plague Stinger! This will give you some early game flyers that won't be susceptible to cards like Blood Moon.
With two copies of Damnation in your deck I think you can get away with removing Cast Down and To the Slaughter. Keep Grasp of Darkness due to it being usable against creatures with indestructible. While To the Slaughter also deals with Indestructible creatures you have no control over which creature your opponent chooses to sacrifice.
I hope this all gives you a good start. Thank you for reading me out. Happy Hunting!
cyeRunner on
BG Infect
1 year ago
Welcome to the Infect-Team :)
The Deck that top 8'd was targeting certain matchups anticipated at the event as you can see in the sideboard, so maybe you might not do as well with the list at your local meta:
7x Graveyard-hate, 7x Artifact- & Entchantment-hate in the Sideboard against Hammertime, Affinity, Amulet Titan and Chalice of the Void with 1 Counter. Ashiok, Dream Render is also good against Titan, but there is no Creature Removal and Lifegain against Burn is missing.
Abrupt Decay vs. Assassin's Trophy: Giving your Opponnent a land-card is currently a huge disadvantage so I would not play too many Trophy's or only in certain Matchups. Decay is a good card, it hits most of the stuff you need to hit, including Wrenn and Six, but excluding Urza's Saga which leads us to ..
Gemrazer! This card has some big advantages over other Disenchant-Effects. Sideboard cards can sometimes be "dead draws", meaning the situation you brought them in has not occoured, so the sideboard card is useless in your hand. Gemrazer can still be played as a Rancor-like effect: "Give your Creatures +3/+3 and trample" for 3 mana is quite good even if you don't use the "Destroy artifact or enchantment"-effect. If you get both you 2for1 your opponent. Also it hits Urza's Saga. Even in the worst case it's a 4-Mana 4/4.
For removal Fatal Push is currently sufficient in my opinion, but I recommend having a sideboard removal-card against bigger creatures like Murktide Regent, Serra's Emissary or Archon of Cruelty.
Generally speaking about Thoughtseize: the obvious reason to run it is to disrupt your opponents hand, but the not so obvious reason is that you are more likely to have something to do on turn 1. 8x 1-drops (Hierarchs and G-Elf) are sometimes not enough to consistently draw one in your opening 7 cards. There were times before Ignoble Hierarch where UG-Infect would run a single Birds of Paradise for more consistent draws. If you have a lot of burn/aggro decks in your local meta swap it for Inquisition of Kozilek.
Phyrexian Crusader is currently a powerhouse since most removal is red or white in the current meta. You are right: Blighted Agent is a lot better than Plague Stinger with a lot of fliers flying around, but the 3 color manabase is just superhard to play.
My prefered budget Replacement for Endurance is Nihil Spellbomb since it can draw you cards. (The effect even triggers if your opponent wants to destroy it)
I am playing BG Infect for ~2,5 years now, if you are interested here is my list: Nobody expects the Kozileks Inqusition - BG Infect
wallisface on
BG Infect
1 year ago
Nice build.
I think running the full 8 Hierarchs might be something worth considering (even if copies 5-8 only provide as useful-coloured mana). The extra Exalted triggers will come in wonders for providing damage, and also gives you much better odds of winning through conventional damage if your infecty-boys all get killed.
I see also you’ve already mentioned in your comments the weaknesses of Plague Stinger… there’s just too many flyers in the current meta. If/when the meta changes to be less flying-focused, it’ll rise in power, but at the moment it’s just likely to be swatted from the air.
raefgall on
Infect & Proliferate
1 year ago
This looks like it could definitely be scary once it gets going. Very dedicated to its theme.
From a general construction sense, it could probably use a few less lands, a bit more ramp and card draw, and a few less cards on the top end (the mana curve leans high).
Some good mana staples that would help and fit the theme: Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, Commander's Sphere, Fellwar Stone, Everflowing Chalice, Astral Cornucopia, Solemn Simulacrum, Fertilid, Gyre Sage, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Incubation Druid, Rampant Growth
Since your goal is to get poison counters on ASAP (so that proliferate matters), stuff like Ichor Rats and Plague Stinger would be good additions. Grafted Exoskeleton and Phyresis can make it so some of your other creatures can contribute to the poison damage count. Viridian Corrupter and Relic Putrescence both give you a way to give poison counters while also serving as artifact removal of a sort.
For cards to potentially remove, there are a few that fit the theme, but may be harder to get the benefit from. Melira, Sylvok Outcast and Second Chance don't do too much for you. Door of Destinies doesn't really have a good tribe to name.
There is a sort of sacrifice sub-theme going on that doesn't feel like it fully pans out. The Arcbound creatures are on the expensive side and you don't have a ton of artifact creatures to move the counters onto. Plus, if they hit for regular damage, they're not going to contribute to your infect plan. Throne of Geth and Plaguemaw Beast give repeatable proliferate, but you don't have a ton of things that you want to sacrifice, or ways to get things back from the graveyard to recur them. Martyr for the Cause and Roalesk, Apex Hybrid are only really good if you get exactly Plaguemaw Beast.
Mortlocke on New hubs to be added
1 year ago
Hello legendofa,
I propose a new hub to be added: Phyrexian. During Modern Horizons 2, 225 creatures were retconned into having the Phyrexian creature subtype to join Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider . Additionally, there were a smattering of Enchantments, Artifacts and etc that ether have the Phyrexian subtype or create creature tokens that do. Thanks to this retcon I now have a deck that has a Phyrexian tribal theme. For your reference, below is a full list of spells that were affected by WotC's Phyrexian errata.
Source: https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Phyrexian
- Ascendant Evincar
- Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
- Belbe, Corrupted Observer
- Blackcleave Goblin
- Blade Splicer
- Blight Mamba
- Blighted Agent
- Blightsteel Colossus
- Blightwidow
- Blind Zealot
- Blinding Souleater
- Blistergrub
- Body Snatcher
- Bone Shredder
- Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer
- Brutalizer Exarch
- Carnifex Demon
- Cathedral Membrane
- Caustic Hound
- Chained Throatseeker
- Chancellor of the Annex
- Chancellor of the Dross
- Chancellor of the Forge
- Chancellor of the Spires
- Chancellor of the Tangle
- Commander Greven il-Vec
- Contagious Nim
- Core Prowler
- Corpse Cur
- Corrupted Harvester
- Crazed Skirge
- Cystbearer
- Darkslick Drake
- Death-Hood Cobra
- Dementia Bat
- Devouring Strossus
- Dross Hopper
- Dross Ripper
- Eastern Paladin
- Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
- Entomber Exarch
- Ertai, the Corrupted
- Etched Monstrosity
- Eviscerator
- Ezuri, Claw of Progress
- Fallen Ferromancer
- First-Sphere Gargantua
- Flameborn Viron
- Flensermite
- Flesh Reaver
- Flesh-Eater Imp
- Fume Spitter
- Furnace Scamp
- Gallowbraid
- Geth, Lord of the Vault
- Glissa, the Traitor
- Glissa's Courier
- Glistener Elf
- Gore Vassal
- Greven, Predator Captain
- Hand of the Praetors
- Hex Parasite
- Hollow Dogs
- Ichor Rats
- Ichorclaw Myr
- Ich-Tekik, Salvage Splicer
- Immolating Souleater
- Impaler Shrike
- Inquisitor Exarch
- Insatiable Souleater
- Invader Parasite
- Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
- Keskit, the Flesh Sculptor
- Kiln Walker
- K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth
- Lost Leonin
- Loxodon Convert
- Marauding Knight
- Massacre Wurm
- Master Splicer
- Maul Splicer
- Moltensteel Dragon
- Morinfen
- Mortis Dogs
- Mycosynth Fiend
- Myr Sire
- Necrogen Scudder
- Necropede
- Nested Ghoul
- Oculus
- Ogre Menial
- Order of Yawgmoth
- Perilous Myr
- Pestilent Souleater
- Phyrexian Battleflies
- Phyrexian Bloodstock
- Phyrexian Broodlings
- Phyrexian Colossus
- Phyrexian Crusader
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Phyrexian Defiler
- Phyrexian Delver
- Phyrexian Denouncer
- Phyrexian Devourer
- Phyrexian Digester
- Phyrexian Dreadnought
- Phyrexian Driver
- Phyrexian Gargantua
- Phyrexian Ghoul
- Phyrexian Gremlins
- Phyrexian Hulk
- Phyrexian Hydra
- Phyrexian Infiltrator
- Phyrexian Ingester
- Phyrexian Ironfoot
- Phyrexian Juggernaut
- Phyrexian Marauder
- Phyrexian Metamorph
- Phyrexian Monitor
- Phyrexian Negator
- Phyrexian Obliterator
- Phyrexian Plaguelord
- Phyrexian Prowler
- Phyrexian Rager
- Phyrexian Reaper
- Phyrexian Revoker
- Phyrexian Scuta
- Phyrexian Slayer
- Phyrexian Snowcrusher
- Phyrexian Soulgorger
- Phyrexian Swarmlord
- Phyrexian Triniform
- Phyrexian Vatmother
- Phyrexian Walker
- Phyrexian War Beast
- Pierce Strider
- Pith Driller
- Plague Dogs
- Plague Engineer
- Plague Myr
- Plague Spitter
- Plague Stinger
- Plaguemaw Beast
- Porcelain Legionnaire
- Priest of Gix
- Priest of Urabrask
- Priest of Yawgmoth
- Priests of Norn
- Psychosis Crawler
- Putrefax
- Quilled Slagwurm
- Rackling
- Rathi Assassin
- Rathi Fiend
- Rathi Intimidator
- Ravenous Skirge
- Razor Swine
- Reaper of Sheoldred
- Rot Wolf
- Rotted Hystrix
- Rusted Slasher
- Sanguine Guard
- Sarcomite Myr
- Scourge Servant
- Selenia, Dark Angel
- Sensor Splicer
- Septic Rats
- Serum Raker
- Shattered Angel
- Sheoldred, Whispering One
- Shivan Zombie
- Shriek Raptor
- Skinrender
- Skirge Familiar
- Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
- Skittering Horror
- Skittering Skirge
- Slag Fiend
- Slash Panther
- Sleeper Agent
- Slinking Skirge
- Soul of New Phyrexia
- Spellskite
- Spinebiter
- Spined Thopter
- Spineless Thug
- Spire Monitor
- Spiteful Bully
- Stronghold Assassin
- Suture Priest
- Tangle Angler
- Tangle Hulk
- Tel-Jilad Fallen
- Tethered Skirge
- Thrummingbird
- Thundering Tanadon
- Tine Shrike
- Tormentor Exarch
- Toxic Nim
- Trespassing Souleater
- Tsabo Tavoc
- Tsabo's Assassin
- Unworthy Dead
- Urabrask the Hidden
- Vault Skirge
- Vebulid
- Vector Asp
- Vedalken Anatomist
- Viral Drake
- Viridian Betrayers
- Viridian Corrupter
- Viridian Emissary
- Viseling
- Vital Splicer
- Volrath the Fallen
- Volrath, the Shapestealer
- Volrath's Shapeshifter
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
- Western Paladin
- Whispering Specter
- Wing Splicer
- Wurmcoil Engine
- Xantcha, Sleeper Agent
- Yawgmoth Demon
- Blade Splicer
- Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer
- Chancellor of the Forge
- Ich-Tekik, Salvage Splicer
- Master Splicer
- Maul Splicer
- Myr Sire
- Nested Ghoul
- Phyrexian Swarmlord
- Phyrexian Triniform
- Sensor Splicer
- Vital Splicer
- Wing Splicer
- Wurmcoil Engine
- Batterbone
- Batterskull
- Bonehoard
- Conversion Chamber
- Flayer Husk
- Lashwrithe
- Mortarpod
- Necropouncer
- Nettlecyst
- Phyrexian Processor
- Phyrexian Totem
- Scytheclaw
- Shrine of Loyal Legions
- Sickleslicer
- Skinwing
- Strandwalker
- Trigon of Infestation
- Lurking Evil
- Lurking Skirge
- Parasitic Implant
- Carrion Call
- Grip of Phyresis
- Ezuri's Predation
- Phyrexian Rebirth
- Splicer's Skill
- Inkmoth Nexus
StopShot on Infect gets to run Cavern …
1 year ago
It also provides more flexible color fixing for Plague Stinger as you can use the land as a black source. Might be good if you only want to run one or two copies without destroying your manabase over it.
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