Throne of Geth
, Sacrifice an artifact: Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
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|Double Masters (2XM)||Uncommon|
|Scars of Mirrodin (SOM)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Throne of Geth Discussion
1 month ago
with very limited pump spells, have you considered Swamp Mosquito over the myr, it provides a second evasize flyer for the same cmc
that said i would probably want to go a little more midrange and run Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon and Whispering Specter spector is devastating if they've taken only a few counters and is directly in Unearth range. the dragon is the card i want to be playing after a board wipe (or before if you can regen it)
Yawgmoth, Thran Physician could also be another effective wincon, being able to just discard to win, and also kill off problematic combo creatures is useful.
lastly the package the deck could really use is Karn, the Great Creator, wishboard, with Contagion Clasp, the myr and sword in sb seems strong, while providing the deck with more silver bullets and ways to protect itself.
i don't like the current expertise boardwipe, im tempted to say Bontu's Last Reckoning
i know it may seem silly but you may want to seriously consider Profane Command, removal, reanimation and mass evasion is really strong
1 month ago
I'm still not sure I understand your aversion of the vivid lands, but let's say i cut them, would you add basics (as long as i haven't tested how early my proliferation is online)?
Throne of Geth doesn't need many other artifacts. At the point where I want to activate this more than once I image having some signets / talismans that I don't need anymore, allowing them to be useful again as fodder for the throne. I don't expect to ativate this before turn 4 at all, probably even later than that. Yes, it's amazing if i get to activate it every turn (e.g. when i have Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast or Saheeli, Sublime Artificer), but i feel like it's done its job when i activate it twice, and i can always use it once in a pinch.
I know you specifically said "not necessarily infinites" but I'm not sure what other kind of I win buttons other than copying planeswalker ults you might mean. I have a Torment of Hailfire that I may want, I could probably get to enough mana through proliferation that everyone has to sac their board, hand and life, but honestly it might take too long and i prefer not to run any tutors, so it's kinda hit or miss. Any other non-infinite suggestions?
It also doesn't help that my playgroup actually frowns a little on infinite combos. I think the 4 card combo that i discovered after adding all the pieces is convoluted enough to be appreciated. Then there's a lot of ways to get infinite turns with Magistrate's Scepter here too, but this can also easily be interrupted by artifact removal - even this may be too much for them though. I guess what I'm saying is that we mostly play for the fun and "doing our thing", less for the winning. I probably wouldn't play this deck in a competitive environment (but who knows!)
Also: I'm cutting solemn, but Jace, Cunning Castaway might be too meme-y, which walker do you think fits the bill best? I'm thinking
Jace Beleren: Party jace! cheap, draws cards, could be left alone if i draw the table cards
Tezzeret, Artifice Master: helps throne of geth, draws cards, has cool ult
Teferi, Temporal Archmage: untap can help our artifacts do double duty, is another walker to go infinite with chain veil and mana artifacts that produce 4 mana, has cool ult
Ugin, the Ineffable: helps control, builds boardstate, helps cast artifacts (and ugins/karns)
Sorin Markov: Drains slowly, can help table take care of archnemesis, resets the lifegain deck, has evil ult
I'm leaning towards teferi now that i realised it can help me combo (or at least proliferate more). Am i missing any good ones (that aren't Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Dack Fayden since those are too expensive)
PS: what's your stance on wilds/terramorphic: cut for basics or keep?
I agree with your take on what's likely to happen to me during a game but I don't think Force of Despair is the answer. It’s a decent card but i don’t think it helps us much:
It only takes care of creatures from 1 opponent, and only the turn they entered, making this feel more like a counterspell, less like a wrath or even regular removal. In that sense it’s somewhat like sorcery speed removal, which might even be better in this case because we can at least interact with all the threats since our previous turn.
It’s a free spell, it can’t be that bad, but i’m not sure it does what we need.
1 month ago
TriusMalarky Awesome, thanks for thinking along! I like these nitty-gritty disussions.
Re: tapped lands suck
First off: My current tapped-count is at 6 (wilds, terramorphic, necro, path, vivid x 2) - I guess you could count 2 tango and 2 checklands for 0.5 tapland each, bringing our total to 8. With 37 lands I actually think the odds are pretty decent that I can run T1 tapland, T2 untapped land, enabling my 2cmc ramp spells and going from there. I'm therefore not sure this is all too bad, but a bit more in depth:
The idea behind Vivid Creek and Vivid Marsh is that they're lands that function as 3c lands most of the time (especially during set-up), and with proliferation going all of the time. It's also possible to use them without removing counters if you're using them on ramp for example, so it's not like they always deplete. I agree the tapped clause is a real cost for something that's not guaranteed, and I could be convinced they're not as great as I think they are, but I think they'd do OK.
I agree Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse aren't the best. I have thought about replacing these with tapped duals, but those don't help out my tango / check lands. It's very possible regular basics are better here though.
Awesome suggestion. They're more powerful than the vivid cycle for sure and, don't get me wrong, providing 2 mana as a land is amazing but:
they're not basics
they come into play tapped
they don't fix my mana
they end up literal dead really quickly if i don't find a proliferation piece (not having played the deck, this concerns me the most)
I'm tempted to try them because when it works it's amazing, but I don't think they're a slam dunk except for when you're in magical christmas land. I need to think about the times when the deck's not firing on all cilinders more than when everything's already going great (i.e. i have time to proliferate). If it turns out that i easily proliferate all the time i'll add them asap.
Re: Ramp and artifacts
This gets me to 4 signets, 3 talismans, chalice, prism, sol ring, that's 10 ramp < 3cmc. Adding cornucopia and relic gives me 12 which should get me one in hand roughly 60% of the time (almost 90% if you count the free mulligan as 7 extra looks) - which is great. Looking at my curve most of my business happens at 4cmc, so getting there asap is key.
Hard disagree on Throne of Geth. Have you played with this card? (I haven't.) It seems I'll have some (maybe even a lot of) spare artifacts lying around, which makes this repeated, instant speed proliferation. Absolute worst-case you can sac it to itself. I'd even argue this is very efficient (and cheap), even though the resource cost for using it is different. It seems like a great thing to copy with something like Saheeli, Sublime Artificer too.
Lithoform Engine may be inefficient, but doubling proliferate triggers or god-forbid planeswalker ultimates is simply too spicy not to run. You could be right but if this isn't the home for this card I'd like to find out.
I have to agree on Solemn Simulacrum - it's too expensive for the deck and doesn't really do much other than provide generic value. I think I'll cut this for another walker, maybe I'll try Jace, Cunning Castaway for the memes.
Thanks again for you time, I look forward to your reply
1 month ago
Cut all the taplands. Tar Pit was the only one with any sort of use and it was still garbage. With two Tango lands, you absolutely need basics. And, btw, a basic-heavy 3c edh manabase isn't as bad as you might initially think.
Recently I started thinking more about lands, and I've decided Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse, while easily recommended as universal lands, should never be run. They are worse fixing than a guildgate in anything with 3 or less colors.
Also, when it comes to ramp I tend to run about 10-ish, all 2 mana or less that all provide one mana every single turn. Then I go on top and add bigger or more specialized mana. Here I'm willing to provide some benefit of the doubt on Astral Cornucopia and Coalition Relic as they become really, really good with proliferate, but Lantern and Sphere are just bad. Run them on top of, not as part of, your core ramp package.
1 month ago
Thanks for looking at the mana. I'm not sure about it since I haven't played yet (and next get together is probably in a month or so), but I think you make a valid case with the tapped lands. I want to try out the new MDFCs and I found out i have the U/R and U/B duals lying around. I've swapped them and Interplanar Beacon for Temple of Deceit, Vivid Crag and Creeping Tar Pit. What others would you recommend cutting for more basics?
Perhaps you're right on the 3cmc artifacts too, even though I'd say commander's sphere is decent because it cycles for free when you don't need it anymore. I might add Rakdos Signet and cut Chromatic Lantern.
True that's a combo. I don't think I'll run it beause I don't have the cards currently interesting loop for sure though!
That play pattern appeals, so maybe I'll find room for it later. A bit of randomness like that can make games more fun
Beacon is in now :)
The idea with most artifacts is that they either ramp, proliferate or benefit from proliferation (see the section Card by Card). Which other cards do you feel are part of the subtheme but don't contribute?
If you're talking about Saheeli, Tezzeret and (now x2) Daretti: I think the Business Artifacts in the list (the chain veil, contagion clasp/engine and lithoform engine) are worth fetching / copying even just on their own, but maybe your idea is they don't do enough?
Let me know because I'm curious what you think on the topic, if you have suggestions to spice up the artifact theme I'd gladly hear them!
3 months ago
Cards to remove:
1x Panharmonicon. It’s slow to get out, and doesn’t do enough for you (most of your creatures won’t trigger it)
4x Titan Forge. Getting a 9/9 out on turn 7, after spending 12 mana, is a rip off. Even speeding this up a little, doesn’t make it great.
1x Foundry Hornet. In our playgroup the only relevant hit will be Blood Artist, and that’s gunna hurt you more than the creature.
2x Chief of the Foundry. This guy just doesn’t help the gameplan enough. His +1 boost will quickly become irrelevant compared to the counters on everything
Things to add:
2x Throne of Geth. This will give you more sac outlets as well as more ways to get counters
2x Lands. 20 seems really low, i think you want 22. If you add 2 of something like Buried Ruin, then you can always get your guys back if you’re getting land flooded.
2x Solidarity of Heroes. I can bring these on Friday. A good way to become even bigger quickly.
2x Abrupt Decay. I can also bring these on Friday. It feels like they might be useful for dealing with problematic cards other people play.
I think also try to even out you mana colours. You want about half-half black and green - for your winding constrictor on T2. Everything else of colour gets played later anyway when you’ll have ample of both colour. So maybe swap 2 swamps for 2 forests
5 months ago
I've been thinking about building one of these out. One thing I feel is missing here is enough pinger enchantments/equipment. In addition to Viridian Longbow, Thornbite Staff and Pathway Arrows are both options and I would run all 3. I wonder about Throne of Geth, does it have enough targets. There are the artifact creatures you are running and a couple of them have good synergy with Throne of Geth. That being said, while it's pricey, having Dockside Extortionist in here adds value in multiple ways. The ramp, of course, but it also can give you quite a few targets for Throne of Geth. I love Mage Slayer in here. It's a great pick! Probably outside budget, but every infect deck should have Blightsteel Colossus, lol.
8 months ago
i think the Dismember could be dropped for a 2nd Throne of Geth for consistency. 1 removal spell in 60 cards doesn't seem reliable anyway, and given that this is an artifact deck, Dispatch has several advantages. costs less mana/life and exiles rather than sending the creature to the yard. could probably keep it in the sideboard though and stick with pure beatdown for game 1. i'm also curious about the Chromatic Star. personally i think Solidarity of Heroes is too good to pass up in any +1/+1 counter deck. i realize you can't grab it with Ancient Stirrings, but it also cuts the effort required for an infect win with Inkmoth Nexus in half. or target Hangarback Walker in response to a removal spell to give your opponent quite the surprise.
as for the name "affinity", i've already stopped using that long ago lol. i refer to "traditional affinity" as "robots", and the hardened scales version as "hardened modular". sometimes i'll get weird looks when people hear me use these names, yet they never seem to have an answer for why I should refer to a deck by a mechanic it doesn't even use lol.