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Death Cloud Discussion
3 weeks ago
Players hate land destruction, so use with caution!
2 months ago
First off I want to say thanks for your reply and interest in my deck. I'd like to take a second to follow up on your thoughts and say why I wanted to try what I did.
"You have some cards that don't add enough to your gameplan" section. 1. Greater Harvester probably isn't good, and I am willing to admit its something I put in here as a pet card. The general idea I had behind harvester being a sac outlet for flagstones (originally a 4 of) and any other random permanents I might want to lose. The upside I did see is that it will generally require a 2 for 1 to remove and if it happens to deal combat damage, all the better.
Regarding your suggestion of World Queller , it was a card I didn't even know existed. I like it and will consider it for future versions of the deck. Ideally, I would like the deck to be primarily black based with a small amount of white, if possible.
Tergrid is just something to help break the symmetry of braids. I intend to use this primarily for the front side, but I've considered the back side if I ever wanted to try and go in a full pox or even Death Cloud style of build.
Thalia taxing me a lot is a pretty accurate point. The only reason I really like thalia is for it's ability to block and slow an opponent down.
I just went with leyline for the free aspect. Your suggestion of virtue is probably better, because I do want something to make my creatures reasonable clocks. It also helps against things like Plague Engineer .
I got nothing on this one...just figured it fit the token theme.
Coffers doesn't have any real point, but I think about it like a Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx . Maybe I should consider that.
Crucible is there to leverage braids some more. Side note, I meant to work in a Silent Clearing or two for card advantage.
"You should probably have more early game resource denial, lower your mana curve, and have more pieces that break symmetry" section.
I like smallpox, but always feel like it would destroy the things I want to keep on board.
This started as a 4 of, but I started trimming it back since I did not have a lot of plains in the deck.
Probably worth adding as pw pressure and synergy piece.
I don't mind having 4 since I really want to draw it and can sac/replay the next if needed.
No real thoughts on this one. Gut feel is maybe 1-2 as a suppliment to bitterblossom.
"Your only early game disruption is Thoughtseize. This is definitely not enough." I think this is a pretty fair point to make and the one thing I was certainly feeling poor about posting this build. I will probably work some of those suggestions in somewhere.
Sideboard stuff, I'll consider after I get a decent main deck and feel for what I might need from there.
3 months ago
forneyt My budget for this deck is higher then I would usually spend because I want it to be able to play in cEDH games (it doesnt have to be a win all the time deck but good enough to sit at the table). However cards over $80-100 each are probably a get if I can thing but a hard sell to spend $ to the wife. As my play group goes, I dont have one. Covid destroyed it. We are just now starting to open back up here in Vegas so I have no idea what I will be walking into at my LGS.
I would love Mana Crypt but I just don't have one and I only have Mana Vault in there for a early commander ramp. The Charcoal Diamond bugs me because of the comes into play tapped and that seems to slow for cEDH.
Possessed Portal is a win con if it resolves. By the time I get that out they should have almost no resources in had if not already hellbent. With my commander out as well they cant even top deck and everything they sac goes to me. The 8 cmc can be rampped as well I can even shave it down to 6 and protect it with Dream Devourer . Vilis, Broker of Blood I just do not personally like. The cmc means I would need to animate him out and I rather do that on more important targets. The card draw I could get from running Necropotence at a much cheaper cmc (still up in the air about that one though). He seems like a large amount of resources to just get returned to hand or countered just like Sheoldred, Whispering One and I rreally like her.
I do like Waste Not probably find a place for it.
So you might have something there. I didnt want to run Chromatic Lantern because of the cmc. Everflowing Chalice I like because it starts at 2 and at any point of the game if I draw it I could put more into it if i had the mana to spare. The Blood Moon situation is problematic so I might just do that, maybe in place of Mana Vault if i decide to drop it all together.
Yes the maybe board is stuff I am considering as well as stuff I have pulled out. I like Gary and still may run him after I get my first 100 settled and tested I will move it around.
Geth's Grimoire may be a possibility. However I dont like the idea of giving the other players more answers. I want the hellbent and top decking much sooner then later.
Living Death is a card I may cut, I am not sure yet. I like the idea of all their boards getting sacked and becoming my creatures and I also get my graveyard back. Death Cloud is a win con. Mindslicer is the same kind of thing (with a sac outlet) I get all their permanents. Without a sac outlet I can beat away or hold as blocks. That is why I like this commander so much, "your stuff is my stuff.. Thanks!"
Dark Depths only works with Thespian's Stage . Vesuva enters as a copy so would have the counters on him. Thespian is already in play when copied so no counters. Either way this seems too meme for me :-)
I did notice a big flaw that you pointed out .. I have no sac outlet so Miren, the Moaning Well High Market Phyrexian Tower any of those might be a good add. I like Deserted Temple but it is close to that to expensive area because I dont have one.
Thank you for taking the time to give some help and advice, I appreciate it.
3 months ago
I'm not sure what your playgroup consists of, or what your budget is, so I'll just rattle off some cards and (if needed) their budget alternatives, as well as what I would suggest replacing.
Chromatic Lantern in place of Everflowing Chalice : Lantern fixes your lands that tap for colorless (or cabal coffers before you get it going), and keeps you from getting wrecked by Blood Moon by giving your "Mountains" the ability to tap for black.
I already see some other great cards in your maybeboard: Dark Confidant , Gray Merchant of Asphodel , Thoughtseize , and Necropotence among them. Confidant is "draw" without the "draw", which can be an important distinction for certain cards (cough cough Chains of Mephistopheles cough cough Nekusar, the Mindrazer cough cough). Gary is an alternate wincon and also replenishes your health after you drain yourself with your own cards. Thoughtseize basically is "I want this card in your hand" with your commander, and Necropotence is just a broken card that gives you more cards than you can cast.
I feel like your deck may be missing some draw power, so I would suggest Geth's Grimoire , the previously mentioned Vilis, and Howling Mine / Mikokoro, Center of the Sea . With all the discard potential, these last two shouldn't be a problem if your opponents get a couple cards!
For any combo of the above suggestions, I would consider cutting Living Death , Death Cloud , Tangle Wire , and Mindslicer . My reasoning for these four specifically is that they are too mana costly and also negatively affect your boardstate in a way that doesn't put you ahead.
Lastly, I have some land suggestions that I am unsure what to cut for because you already have a decent selection. High Market is a great land, along with its alternate, Miren, the Moaning Well . Deserted Temple can be an extra Cabal Coffers or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx . If you like to take risks, you could include Dark Depths for the classic Vesuva / Thespian's Stage combo!
3 months ago
Hymn to Tourach Why: I've been looking for more instances of discard for the deck
@Profet93 as a side note some cards im looking at including into the deck here shortly after some conversations wit ha couple buddies in the play group are as follows
Sedgemoor Witch ----> cut: IDK, i like the card because it makes tokens(think Tavesh/Skullclamp/Smokestack)
4 months ago
My biggest issue with Mind Twist is that it’s single target. It’s good, but it only really neuters one opponent. I’d rather hit everyone at once with a spell like Death Cloud . If black had better ways of recurring sorceries I might have considered going this route, but since it will like be a one time use, I’d rather go the mass discard route. If you mostly play 1v1 commander though I definitely agree Mind Twist is amazing
4 months ago
My Windgrace deck has a snow-land sub theme for cards like Sunstone and Glacial Crevasses . Doing this in your deck would require swapping some of the random lands with snow basics, but I’ve never run into a problem with not having the needed color. The crevasse especially being good to protect Windgrace.
I’d probably swap out Wildfire for Jokulhaups . Same cmc, does a lot more though. Maybe throw in Obliterate and Death Cloud . All cards that keep Windgrace alive and well, while neutering everyone else. Epicenter and Impending Disaster are also good wipes in this deck.
Bonus points for running Possessed Portal . If the opponents don’t have a solution in hand, the game is over with that on the board.
Also a bit surprised you aren’t running Constant Mists in a deck that recurs and spits out lands so easily.
8 months ago
I have a similar deck, using Nath as commander. If you're not against big elfballs, use Priest of Titania, Elvish Archdruid, (already have), and Wirewood Channeler. Any one of those three is infinite mana/life/draw with Staff of Domination. Then you draw into a big ball spell like Hurricane, Squall Line, Torment of Hailfire or Death Cloud. That's how you elfball.