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Each player puts the top X cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard. For each creature card put into a graveyard this way, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield tapped.
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Dread Summons Discussion
1 week ago
For lands, Cabal Stronghold doesn't make any sense. You're running 7 Basic Swamps. If you wanted to put in Cabal Coffers with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , that could work, but I doubt you want to put your money there. Cascading Cataracts, Waterveil Cavern, Survivor's Encampment, Shimmering Grotto, Rupture Spire, Guildmage's Forum, and Gateway Plaza should be the next to go. You're running a 2-color deck, so you don't need such bad fixing. I'd also lose Everglades.
Nighthowler is the only really bad creature that I see, although you'll probably want more if you're on the self-mill plan. Triskaidekaphobia and Tree of Perdition are cute. I don't think I would run that, but if you're going to, run Clutch of the Undercity and Dimir House Guard to tutor up the pieces.
Spinal Embrace is a cool card, but it's pretty inefficient. For that kind of mana, you could be running Kindred Dominance , Crux of Fate , Deadly Tempest , Decree of Pain , Extinguish All Hope , or Life's Finale (I would go with this one, given your commander). Cancel is a no-go. Counterspell , Negate , Swan Song , Countersquall , Dissolve , Arcane Denial , Disallow , Sinister Sabotage and Dream Fracture should all be in the deck before Cancel.
Tome of the Guildpact is pretty bad in this deck. If you want rocks, you should be running Sky Diamond , Charcoal Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Mind Stone , Thought Vessel , and Talisman of Dominance before you touch that or Darksteel Ingot in a 2-color deck. If you're looking for card draw, Phyrexian Arena , Syphon Mind , Fact or Fiction , Tidings , Sign in Blood , and Night's Whisper are all better.
If you wanna mill, Altar of the Brood , Mesmeric Orb , Dread Summons , Sphinx's Tutelage , Psychic Corrosion , Traumatize , Patient Rebuilding , Memory Erosion , and Whetstone are all more powerful than Millstone (though I do appreciate it's OG status).
If you want to see what other people are playing in their Scarab God decks, I recommend checking out the EDHREC page for him.
1 month ago
This is actually a pretty cool list - a lot of it synergizes well with the sacrifice theme and there's a strong Meren shell here.
Some potential additions:
Plaguecrafter is an insane uncommon from GRN - strictly better than others with the same effect. I'd have as many of the effects as possible, so a third doesn't hurt.
Board wipes in general. I don't think I see any, and board wipes are the "Get Out of Jail Free" cards of Commander. If you're behind, they let you catch up with opponents. Some ideas: Living Death (solid card - we've already seen what this can do, and in your deck, a deck with lots of ETB and sac value, this is just good), Decree of Pain (hefty CMC, but the card advantage this gives you is insane), Black Sun's Zenith (gets around indestructibility, -1/-1 counters are a pain for everyone). You do have some dictate effects (i.e. Dictate of Erebos) which can function as indirect board wipes, but it's a win-more type of board wipe. Dictate effects are still amazing - don't get me wrong.
Spore Frog. Oh god. It's Spore Frog. The single most frustrating card for most decks facing Meren. It's one CMC, gets you a free counter on Meren each turn, saves you from combat, and then is revived for further use. Somebody tries to exile it? Sacrifice it in response. They still get fogged. Just make sure to save it for instant speed - that is, wait until their turn to use it.
Viscera Seer. One of the most important things for sacrfice decks is ways to sacrifice creatures. Viscera Seer is amazing at this. Just like Spore Frog, it gets you a counter on Meren each turn and a free scry. Not only this, but it gives you ways to sac creatures at instant speed for no cost - just a great effect!
Buried Alive fetches you anything you want. Want a Spore Frog? Sure. Want to fetch out Protean Hulk to pull out an infinite combo win? You betcha.
Speaking of Protean Hulk, I don't think newer players realize how utterly insane this card is. There was a time when this thing was banned in commander - it's a seriously broken card. There's a whole list on r/CompetitiveEDH about this card's infinite combos: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/67czr7/protean_hulk_combos_by_color/. Considering including one in the deck. Though a little out of your price range for now, one of the most reliable and flexible is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Walking Ballista. They both enter play at the same time (since X = 0 for Walking Ballista if you pull it out of your deck with Hulk, you can pull it and Mikeaus [whose cmc = 6] at the same time, since 6 + 0 = 6) , and since X = 0, Walking Ballista immediately dies due to state based effects, which then brings it back with a +1/+1 counter from undying. Remove the counter, deal 1 damage to a player, return the ballista, repeat forever! You win by pinging your opponents to death! Well actually it doesn't work. Since Mikeaus gives non-humans +1/+1 in addition to undying, Walking Ballista will still be a 1/1 after the counter is removed. If you have a sac outlet out (such as Viscera Seer), you can sac Walking Ballista after removing the counter to fuel the combo, and have it go infinite. This is one of the Protean Hulk combos, and is probably the most fair one (and I'm using 'fair' losely here - Protean Hulk is still fetching a win nearly every time it dies). Plus, a Hulk combo gives you a reliable win condition to defeat your opponent with.
Fecundity. I don't know why I don't see this card played more. Despite the symmetrical effect (that is - both you and your opponents drawing cards), you'll be making the most advantage off of it. Spore Frog now draws you an extra card each turn - so does Viscera Seer! Not to mention that it just helps the sacrifice player overall more than others.
Black Market. Oh boy. So much mana. 'Nuff said. I love this card. Mana is super valuable in Commander, as in all formats, and this card gives it in the bucketload.
Beast Within or Krosan Grip or Nature's Claim. Beast Within is probably the one I would use, but I just think you might want a spot removal for enchantments. I don't see any other way besides Golgari Charm, which is meh for it at best, in your deck to deal with them, and they are an important card to be able to destroy. Plus, the versatility of Beast Within is just really good - destroy target permanent.
Birthing Pod. Yeah, this is on the pricier side, which is why I added it at the end. It's another broken card, and is banned in modern but still has a pricetag because of its commander play. It tutors for things, which is a great effect in Magic.
Diabolic Intent. Dunno. Just seems pretty good. Never really used it.
Some potential cuts:
Champion of Stray Souls offers a Living Death impression, but not a good one at that. It's really expensive to use and I don't think it's in your best interests to keep it, as it's a six CMC fattie that doesn't really contribute to your plan.
Cloudthresher. Damnation and Wrath of God and Toxic Deluge and Evacuation and Blasphemous Act and Merciless Eviction all do more than just touch flying creatures, and cost the same or less. They might not be in your colors, but as you're in Black, you have access to the single best board wipes in the game. One that touches only flyers and only does 2 damage (a low amount in commander) is pretty underwhelming.
Caller of the Pack. Generic big dumb green fatty. Dunno. Guess it's fine? It's more or less Vanilla, despite having myriad, and contributes nothing to your plan as the tokens it creates aren't even sacrificed - they go into exile.
Banshee of the Dread Choir has the same problem as with Caller of the Pack. Just a semi-vanilla card that doesn't really do anything for you.
Dread Summons feels more like a mill card? Doesn't really have much in the way of sacrifice, besides the 2/2 bodies. I think there are much better cards for this slot.
Golgari Charm. It's fine, but not great. Beast Within is better.
Wretched Confluence. Again, it's fine, but there are better cards for this slot.
Hope this helps. The deck seems pretty solid - you've got a good Meren shell, and I look forward to seeing the finished deck!
2 months ago
Also maybe Rewind,Dimir Locket,Sinister Sabotage,Lord of the Accursed,Buried Alive,Grave Titan,Diregraf Captain,Training Grounds,Endless Ranks of the Dead,Undead Warchief,Lich Lord of Unx,Sidisi, Undead Visier,Liliana, Death's Majesty,Death Baron,Liliana, the Last Hope,Dread Summons!Ghoulcaller Gisa,Lord of the Undead,Zombie Master,Geth, Lord of the Vault,Unbreathing Horde,Forgotten Creation,Prized Amalgam,Phenax, God of Deception,Sheoldred, Whispering One,Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet,Thief of Sanity,Burnished Hart,and Traumatize plus some kill spells and more counter spells and you should be pretty close;) Also you maybe should check out EDHREC for some more options.
2 months ago
hkhssweiss is totally right - Tower and Vessel are always welcome and since Tower can be tapped for mana right away - it doesn't slow You down. If ya wanna mill You opponents think about Bloodchief Ascension, Dread Summons (Brrrrraaaainnnsss), and Profane Memento (I like to build decks different way than the majority of players so when I bumped into Memento by accident at M15 prerelease - I decided to put it in my Phenax modern deck. Effect? Far beyond expectations!).
6 months ago
Sporkity, thank you for the valueable inputs, currently making some changes to the deck.
I removed Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder and Blasting Station for now, since they are a bit slow (endrek takes a full turn to BEGIN functioning, station in my games has been mostly a worse Blood Artist/Zulaport - also wont kill big creatures and cant be reanimated to combo). Also removed Disciple of Griselbrand since he had little synergy with the deck and often was a stall card.
Added Dread Summons, Tortured Existence and Bog Witch. Like you said, I needed more discard/grave-filling outlets to reanimate big guys early - many times i was sitting early game with a Victimize and no way to discard my 7-drops.
Will soon experiment with the others you suggested. Only feel like Stinkweed Imp is a bit underwhelming - I lose a draw, hes mostly a chump blocker in battlefield, while other discards are much more recursive: generate tokens(call the bloodline, skirk ridge exh, dread summons, haunted dead), disrupt opponents (Mindslicer, Rotting Rats) or filtering (undead glatiator, geier reach, tortured existence).
6 months ago
Deck looks like a lot of fun! I could be wrong but at first glace this deck seems like it might have a slow start and the infinite combos seem a bit unreliable. I would mostly focus on cheating out your bigger blacker creatures, mana creating is sooooo gooood. And it doesn't seem like it has to many ways to throw things into the graveyard initially, so I've got a few suggestions for you:
Dread Summons - Builds a board of sacrificial zombie tokens for each of your many creatures discarded
Grave Scrabbler - Good way to toss some creature into the graveyard early and for little cost
Sands of Delirium - Just before your turn starts spend your extra mana to build up that graveyard
Stinkweed Imp - As well as other dredge effects might help you out a lot
Grave Scrabbler - Is discard is your shit? then madness might also be your shit
Aetherworks Marvel - Just a fun suggestion, but might actually be interesting here with so many creatures entering and leaving the battlefield just having a every once in awhile take another turn could be real strong. Might also help with going infinite.
As you said graveyard hate might hurt... like a lot... BUT in commander graveyard hate tends come in the form of lands (unless the people you play with main deck Rest in Peace good luck with dealing with that in mono black) so might want to think about running lands like Field of Ruin and Ghost Quarter. Although this depends on your meta if no one is playing graveyard hate you're golden!
Either Way love the deck, best of luck with it!
11 months ago
Karador was the first commander I tried to build. There is a big problem with him, his cost is absurdly high even with the discount. You need a lot of creatures in your graverd to make him affordable and even after that you will probably be out of mana when you finally cast him so you'll have to wait until your next turn to start using its ability.
You will need to make a special effort to fill your graveyard and run a really high count of creatures on the deck, so try to change any of the tools of the deck to utility creatures, that way you will also have a recurring toolbox in your graveyard.
To fill your graveyard you can use dredge (Golgari Thug, Stinkweed Imp and Golgari Grave-Troll are the highest dredgers) and you can loot (Key to the City, Smuggler's Copter, Deal Broker and Gate to the Afterlife) There are also Altar of Dementia, Dread Summons and Extractor Demon but it is a bit slow. The good news is all these cards will also synergize with your The Gitrog Monster.
This is so much easier with Meren of Clan Nel Toth as commander.
11 months ago
Ok, are you playing in MTGO or paper? Either way, here are the cards I might take out, either because they are too slow, or they are better in multiplayer (or they are just bad). Dark Salvation, Prized Amalgam, Noxious Ghoul, Liliana's Reaver, Army of the Damned, Crux of Fate, Vanquisher's Banner, Noosegraf Mob, Vindictive Lich, Dread Summons, Endless Ranks of Dead, Altar of Dementia, Sol Ring, Undead Alchemist, Kindred Dominance, Geralf's Messenger, Never / Return, Call to the Grave Grimgrin, Corpse-Born. You could definitely take out others as you play the deck.
Here are some good cards that would be good to have, but not all will make the cut. Rings of Brighthearth, Basalt Monolith, Talisman of Dominance, Arcane Denial, Counterspell, Lim-Dul's Vault, Swan Song, Pact of Negation, Snapcaster Mage, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, Toxic Deluge, Damnation, Leyline of Anticipation, Vedalken Orrery, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, Thought Vessel, Glen Elendra Archmage, Commander's Sphere, Solemn Simulacrum, Gilded Lotus, Cyclonic Rift, Overwhelming Denial, Search for Azcanta Flip, Forbid, Bloodchief Ascension, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Underground Sea, Sunken Ruins, Cavern of Souls, Ancient Tomb.
I'm sure there are many other cards that would be great in the optimized version of this deck, but these are the ones I can think of right now. Also, I am not extremely familiar with the current meta of MTGO(?) 1v1 commander, so there may be cards that are good because of the meta. You will want to do some research and you will definitely make changes as you play. Have Fun!
Dread Summons occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
U/B (Dimir): 0.11%