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Enchantment Creature — Zombie
Bestow 3BWhenever Spiteful Returned or enchanted creature attacks, defending player loses 2 life.Enchanted creature gets +1/+1.
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Spiteful Returned Discussion
1 week ago
1 month ago
I would highly recommend these zombies and zombie cards to spruce up your game, Relentless Dead, Highborn Ghoul, Diregraf Colossus since every zombie you play once he comes out now is that zombie and an additional token 2/2, plus his rez effect counts him as he comes from the graveyard so if you wanted to do a graveyard swarm strategy that's viable. Endless Ranks of the Dead, that one is a tad slower but combined with Diregraf Colossus can make a swarm happen VERY quickly. Sidisi, Undead Vizier is a good utility card that has an awesome effect when he enters and then for 5 mana is a 4/6 with death touch, that's pretty crazy for black and you don't usually see that mana cost with those stats except in green. Cemetery Reaper, Graf Harvest, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Korlash, Heir to Blackblade is a really good tank fighter if mana isn't a problem. Noxious Ghoul is another good one if you play solely zombies. Spiteful Returned is a good zombie that a lot of people overlook and Stronghold Assassin is pretty good. Unbreathing Horde and Zombie Master are also good zombie cards and finally if budget isn't an issue Death Baron is a must have for sheer scary power. Hope this pool of suggestions helps you out!
1 month ago
You made a post, and so I return.
If you're going to have a Zombie token deck, you should focus on just tokens. To that end, Gravecrawler, Spiteful Returned and Skinrender are not helping you. You want more instants and sorceries so you can control the board. In my deck I only use Lord creatures and Grave Titan and it has proven to be a worthwhile decision.
If you want a bigger board presence, make more tokens. I still recommend Rise from the Tides for that, but you would need more instants/sorceries to pull that off.
2 months ago
well first piece of advice I would give, is to drop a lot of those creatures and spells that don;t directly help, like Quest for the Gravelord is a card that usually looks good but is pretty slow compared to other zombie styles. I would highly recommend the following zombies, Gravecrawler that one is the best 1 mana drop zombie and most aggressive 1 drop that has proabably ever been made and can only be ever truly stopped by being exiled which is a rather uncommon deck strategy, Highborn Ghoul as he can swing past nonblack/nonartifact decks and provide easy constant damage and with the right buff could be a game ender by himself. Relentless Dead his menace is pretty good but his ressurection ability to bring back other zombies to the field is unparalleled and he can save himself by paying a single mana. Lord of the Undead is a good 3 drop buffer zombie and works as a slightly slower ressurection card but is still pretty good. Cryptbreaker is easily second best 1 mana drop zombie ever made even if he is more subtle than Gravecrawler because once Cryptbreaker has a zombie horde to work with he can draw a lot of draw very quickly and has been the cause of several touranment wins by himself plus his discard works pretty well if you have useless cards in your hands that you can turn into zombies. Diregraf Colossus works very well as he works with graveyard styled decks but his zombie spawning ability especially in combo with Gravecrawler can become crazy after a few turns. Also since you seem to want to build a zombie deck around Liliana, the Last Hope ultimate ability, I'm rather surprised you haven't seen or put in Endless Ranks of the Dead it is a bit slow at first but can create literally infinite token zombies to overwhelm most opponents. Spiteful Returned is a zombie a lot of people overlook but he can work very well either as a fighter or a buffer for an end game strategy, Unbreathing Horde is a really good frontline fighter that can be extremely hard to take down if a large amount of zombies are in play when he comes out, Death Baron his abilities speak for themselves turning the weak zombies into death dealing monsters and gives them a buffer, Sidisi, Undead Vizier is a really good zombie card to use as the exploit ability can be unparalled if used with the resurrection abilities of Relentless Dead and Lord of the Undead to bring out whatever you need to bring out to end the game. Attrition and Mind Slash work as sac cards that provide a lot of versatility and control to the field and work well with the making of zombie tokens. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed is a good zombie that makes all your nontoken zombies harder to kill and makes them a bit tougher through his buff and undying ability, plus he is a 5/5 with intimidate which can be pretty powerful on it's own. Grave Betrayal is not really practical in too many situations but can be a fun card to put out and makes it fairly powerful. And finally if you're going all in with zombies it would irresponsible to not mention Coat of Arms that artifact makes all of your zombies hilariously strong, if 8 zombies are out they all get +7/+7 and as most zombies are 2/2 then they would all become 9/9 zombies just with Coat of Arms and not even taking into account all the other buffer cards. I hope these suggestions help! Cheers!
4 months ago
I would recommend taking out Spiteful Returned, the effect says when it attacks but Alesha brings it back tapped and attacking so the effect wouldn't proc
4 months ago
I would say the biggest problem with this Rakdos, Lord of Riots build is the lack or cheap sources of early damage that cost no mana to activate by the time you have the needed to drop Rakdos, Lord of Riots. Rakdos Ickspitter, Spiteful Returned, Mardu Shadowspear, and Goblin Fireslinger are the only cards I see that guarantee damage assuming they have blockers. I would Up the count of cards that do this job to at least 10, If you do that you can afford to convert the rest of these dinky creatures to the Plethera of beat sticks that this guild has access to. Other worthwhile cards for this job are Cinder Pyromancer, Cunning Sparkmage, Dauthi Slayer, Goblin Arsonist, Honden of Infinite Rage, Lobber Crew, Mogg Fanatic, Nettle Drone, Goblin Sharpshooter, and Tunneling Geopede.
6 months ago
Hey there. For me, it doesn't feel like black is adding anywhere near enough here. For one mana I'd want 4x Trailblazer as well as the 4x Hoplite, then for two mana just drop the bloodcrazed and run the full 4x Skyguard, and 4x Hero of Iroas, as both of them are doing a lot more. Then when it comes to the enchantments, black isn't doing a great deal there either. The bonus of mono-white, the consistency of the land, and if you curve at two you can even drop the land to 18/19 as well. With black though you do get Agent of the Fates, who I love, but may not be fast enough for what you're looking for. He's so good though!
Ethereal Armor should be a four of. Ethereal Armor plus Hero of Iroas is awesome, and when I play it, I like to take advantage of both and run Hopeful Eidolon, Nyxborn Shieldmate, and Eidolon of Countless Battles. They are protection against removal and wrath, they are reduced in cost when bestowed from the Hero, and they count towards Ethereal Armor. They are so much more powerful than they may first appear. If you're sticking with black, then you get these beasts to choose from as well, Gnarled Scarhide, Spiteful Returned, and Herald of Torment. You could run Nighthowler as well, I'm not as keen on it in the build, but depends on what the decks you are against are like as well. He is good post wrath though!
I'd drop Predator's Gambit as you'll nearly always have multiple creatures on the field, and Edge of the Divinity as you don't have any creatures that can take advantage of it. Not the cheapest card but Daybreak Coronet is obviously all sorts of powerful! Spirit Mantle is also pretty popular, and really can tilt opponents who aren't ready for it.
Just a few things to have a think about, see if you like the sound of them.
6 months ago
Hey there, you have to love zombies right! Here are a few suggestion to have a think about.
There are loads of sweet zombies out there, and because you have the ability to play some nice one and two mana cards, I feel that playing Dark Ritual is a bit of a waste. The advantage it gives you isn't worth the card advantage. However, I don't know your meta of course, and if it does let you overrun them, then that's fair enough! Either way, here are some zombies I like that may be worth a peek at;
Diregraf Ghoul of course! It isn't Gravecrawler by any means, but playing them alongside each other makes it almost certain that you'll get an aggressive turn one play down.
Not the best card, but if you end up running more multi colour guys, then Grixis Grimblade isn't too bad. He's a 3/2 deathtouch for two, he's solid, and he gets no play, so he's certainly not expected.
Zombies, as with most aggro decks (especially tribal), are vulnerable to removal. You already have creatures that come back, and that take advantage of the dead, but there is always more that can be done! Let's make these zombies impossible for control to deal with! First off, Spiteful Returned. May not look that exciting to start off, but he does a really good amount of damage. His strength of course is when he is bestowed, as it means your opponent will have to kill him twice, and his bestow is only four mana, it's a bargain! Next is another card that doesn't look exciting, Sultai Emissary. He'll get boosted by your lords, he'll be a zombie in the yard when he dies, and he'll put a 2/2 onto the field. If that card is a creature, then that's extra bonus, either way, he takes two removal spells to kill. Geralf's Messenger is of course one of the all stars, but he is a little greedy when it comes to the mana... Awesome though! Ghoulraiser is much less exciting, but draws you a card as he enters, and counts towards your zombie count, and is boosted by lords. If you wanted to drop the blue to tidy the mana, you can run Cemetery Reaper instead of the Captain, another way to reanimate guys from the grave. Or, stick with the blue and maybe throw in Prized Amalgam as he's going to keep coming back as well. Finally, Undying Evil is awesome, one mana save a guy and make him bigger!
You could go down the route of keeping your graveyard nice and tidy, changing out cards that want zombies in there, and change them for those that clean and take advantage of it. So Cemetery Reaper is a card that cleans the yard, and it works well with Risen Executioner as he is then cheaper to keep bringing back. They work well with Gravecrawler as well as he gets himself out the yard. Stitched Drake, and Relentless Skaabs are really awesome, clean the yard, and pack one hell of a punch as well. Or, if you really wanted to go bit, Skaab Ruinator is huge, allows the Executioner to always come back cheap, is three mana, and can be cast from the graveyard himself. Or if you want to cast them from the yard, then Havengul Lich is the guy to do it!
Or you could go mono black to take advantage of the Gray Merchant of Asphodel. You want those black pips, so cards like Stromgald Crusader, Sangrophage, Lifebane Zombie (who is obviously awesome against Green and White decks!), the Messenger is obvious the king of black pips. For four mana, he isn't a zombie, but he's all sorts of crazy worth it, Phyrexian Obliterator... I mean, who made that guy, he's so powerful and awesome, and he adds 4 to your devotion for the Merchant!
Just a few directions the deck could go in, and some suggestions of cards that I like and think you may enjoy. Give them a go, some of them might surprise you.