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Karlov of the Ghost Council
Legendary Creature — Spirit Advisor
Whenever you gain life, put two +1/+1 counters on Karlov of the Ghost Council.
Remove six +1/+1 counters from Karlov of the Ghost Council: Exile target creature.
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Karlov of the Ghost Council Discussion
1 week ago
Vuliev of the Ghost Council
Legendary Creature - Spirit Advisor
Whenever a permanent is exiled, put two +1/+1 counters onto Vuliev.
, Remove six +1/+1 counters from Vuliev of the Ghost Council: Return target permanent from exile to the battlefield under your control.
2 weeks ago
Ravos, Soultender + Tymna the Weaver could work for what you want. Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim or Karlov of the Ghost Council may also be an option if you want to include life gain and recursion, but if you're going to go that route I'd suggest Selenia, Dark Angel . Selenia is an underdog commander that may be overlooked until you start your gain and drain shenanigans.
Outside of that they're mostly like you said, Aristocrat style types. Hope I've helped a bit at least, good luck in your search. If you want to see an example of Selenia check my profile.
4 weeks ago
First of all very cool decklist! I kinda like the fact that you don't want to play the teysa combo. Im a bit in a struggle with my teysa deck (Orzhov Friends. It's no where near as streamlined as your deck is and I mostly started it because I wanted to make an Orzhov Superfriends deck (even tho I don't have green or blue). Turns out what started out as a joke, kinda rolled and I rolled with it. So I switched from Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim to Teysa, Orzhov Scion , only played the walkers that make tokens or support tokens.
So that's where I am now. I really like your list and I'm trying to pick up some ideas (your point on Grave Pact vs. Dictate of Erebos was super valid for example. I also saw that you only play Swords to Plowshares and no Path to Exile so I went with that as well.
I just have a few questions:
- How are Krav, the Unredeemed and Regna, the Redeemer working out for you? Do you have enough lifegain triggers for Regna to work out? Krav's value is hard to miss, but I'm affraid he is a bit costly. The only thing why I dig them is because I try to have a bit of a legendary theme in it. Regna I ran in a Karlov of the Ghost Council deck and she was often on the list to be cut, cause she was so high in mana.
- You are not running a lot of removal. Hardly any boardwipes and you rely more on Teysa to do the removal for you. Of course there are a few other creatures (Elesh and Massacre Wurm), but do you have the feeling you can control the boardstate enough?
- You don't run the usual suspects of Blood Artist , Zulaport Cutthroat and the new Cruel Celebrant . You don't have the feeling you miss them? They do provide triggers for Regna for example.
- You don't run a lot of sac outlets, to generate tokens. Can you get enough value out of Teysa?
If you want it would mean a lot to me if you could have a look at my list. Cause I have the feeling I'm mostly just staring anymore and a new opinion would help a lot :)
4 weeks ago
I'm looking to build a grixis superfriends deck and am looking for these cards. I have just updated my binder with everything I currently have.
- 1x Arcane Denial
- 1x Ashiok, Dream Render
- 1x Bedevil
- 1x Bojuka Bog
- 1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
- 1x Chromatic Lantern
- 1x Counterspell
- 1x Countersquall
- 1x Dack Fayden
- 1x Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
- 1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
- 1x Dark Intimations
- 1x Darksteel Citadel
- 1x Decree of Annihilation
- 1x Deliver Unto Evil
- 1x Dimir Signet
- 1x Dragonskull Summit
- 1x Dreadbore
- 1x Drowned Catacomb
- 1x Flux Channeler
- 1x Gilded Lotus
- 1x Great Furnace
- 1x Honor-Worn Shaku
- 1x Interplanar Beacon
- 1x Izzet Signet
- 1x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
- 1x Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
- 1x Jokulhaups
- 1x Karn's Bastion
- 1x Karn, the Great Creator
- 1x Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor
- 1x Lethal Vapors
- 1x Luxury Suite
- 1x Morphic Pool
- 1x Mox Amber
- 1x Nevinyrral's Disk
- 1x Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God
- 1x Nightscape Familiar
- 1x Ob Nixilis Reignited
- 1x Obliterate
- 1x Overburden
- 1x Saheeli Rai
- 1x Saheeli, the Gifted
- 1x Sarkhan the Masterless
- 1x Savor the Moment
- 1x Seat of the Synod
- 1x Sensei's Divining Top
- 1x Tainted AEther
- 1x Temple of Deceit
- 1x Temple of Epiphany
- 1x Temple of Malice
- 1x Tezzeret the Seeker
- 1x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
- 1x Tezzeret, Artifice Master
- 1x Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge
- 1x The Chain Veil
- 1x The Elderspell
- 1x Time Sieve
- 1x Ugin, the Ineffable
- 1x Vault of Whispers
- Doubling Season
- Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
- Dark Depths
- Exquisite Blood
- 4x Goblin Guide
- japanese Alhammarret's Archive
- Mirari's Wake
- Elspeth, Knight-Errant
- Archangel of Thune
- Karlov of the Ghost Council
the rest is in my binder
1 month ago
+1 from me, love Orzhov!
If you're looking for more tax effects, you might also consider Painful Quandary and Suture Priest and Blood Seeker . Also, Karlov of the Ghost Council could be fun flavor-wise and could be a fun alternate commander in the right meta. And with all the lifegain, you might also consider cards like Ajani's Pridemate .
1 month ago
Okay. Well with control and aristocrats I can do some work.
Okay so for aristocrats, Meren of Clan Nel Toth is obviously the “tierest” of them all. But for more casual folks like me there are good options too. Queen Marchesa , Sedris, the Traitor King , Prossh, Skyraider of Kher , Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper , Karador, Ghost Chieftain , Ghave, Guru of Spores , some other guy + Ravos, Soultender (my pick goes to Reyhan, Last of the Abzan ), and as was pointed out prior, Teysa Karlov (along with the many other good aristocrat legends in those colors- my Teysa deck runs 7 potential commanders), but if you want something a lil more out there, Judith, the Scourge Diva , Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker , or a few listed up there (especially the grixis picks) will do ya well.
Now for control? I play this deck with Karlov of the Ghost Council that SLAPS- it basically just puts “drops in the bucket”, casting a bunch of permanents that gain consistent, small bundles of life, and basically exiles anything of consequence that an opponent plays.
Sedris, the Traitor King could actually be a really fun sort of “2-for-1.deck”, focusing on getting a lot of value out of the cards in your grave? Good blockers with death triggers that you can recur, flashback spells, self-mill? Though I suppose that could be said for a few of the above aristocrat generals...
Maybe an aristocrat deck that focuses on wasting enemies’ resources until they peter out? Seems kinda fun in Abzan, Grixis, ... maybe a four-color combo?
2 months ago
Have you considered Arvad the Cursed ? I might even play him as your commander, since he gives an anthem effect (+2/+2) and drop Athreos in the 99. Honestly Atreos shines when he protects low CMC creatures. I don't think you will find a lot of people not paying the 3 life when 1 of your, often very powerfull, creatures dies. Next to that you play black and have a range of (under $9) tutors to fetch him.
You could throw in a little token/lifegain theme as support (very Orzhov) and play your deck as the guild extorting people and if they don't pay up exile their creatures. (Then Atreos might be super on theme again).
Legendaries I would run in a token/lifegain theme are: Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim Teysa, Orzhov Scion Karlov of the Ghost Council Kambal, Consul of Allocation Obzedat, Ghost Council Teysa Karlov Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts Regna, the Redeemer / Krav, the Unredeemed Ghost Council of Orzhova Vona, Butcher of Magan Aryel, Knight of Windgrace Elenda, the Dusk Rose Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder Yomiji, Who Bars the Way Whisper, Blood Liturgist Darien, King of Kjeldor Heliod, God of the Sun Brimaz, King of Oreskos Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle Oketra the True Elspeth, Sun's Champion Sorin, Lord of Innistrad Kaya, Orzhov Usurper Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
Support these guys with the following cards: Soul's Attendant Soul Warden Dictate of Erebos Grave Pact Smothering Tithe Ethereal Absolution Dawn of Hope Skullclamp Suture Priest Blood Artist Zulaport Cutthroat Crested Sunmare Regal Bloodlord Pious Evangel Flip Authority of the Consuls Blind Obedience Anointed Procession Hidden Stockpile Vindictive Vampire Twilight Drover Mentor of the Meek Priest of Forgotten Gods Pitiless Plunderer High Market Shizo, Death's Storehouse Divine Visitation Intangible Virtue Attrition
A few sac outlets like Ashnod's Altar
Of course all of this above is just a suggestion. I think in this way you can easily you can keep the Legendary theme alive in your deck, but point in a bit more towards the Orzhov Syndicate. (wich in my opinion is an awesome guild!!) I think I kept a bit on a eye on your budget of $9 a card. If I missed a few my apologies.
3 months ago
Thanks for giving me some insight on your choices. Most important with commander is that you play what you love most. Voltron is definitely a style you need to like and I'm not even sure if Karlov is the best commander for the job, since he has no build in protection.
I totally agree with some of the explanations you do, even to the point where Elspeth, Sun's Champion is now gone from my decklist as well. Yeah she can win you games, but like you said often killing off Karlov in the proces. Wich for me is reason enough to remove her from the deck. You're completely right on that.
Card's like Tablet of the Guilds and Contemplation are really good if you need a lot of lifegain triggers, but less good if you want big lifegain triggers. I think your deck wants big ones, so maybe they aren't the right card for you.
If you are totally fine with Karlov dying here and there, then Mother of Runes is also less important, but Eight-and-a-Half-Tails might be a bit different. 78/100 cards in your deck are permanents (including land) and he protects all of them for only 3 mana (if the spell is white only 2 mana). Often he saved my planeswalkers or enchantments and even lands.
The other one I am not completely agreeing with you is Sunscorch Regent . Yes it seems like a budget card with a price not reaching 1 dollar, but he does so much work. The turn he hits often results in 4-5 lifegain triggers after, since your oppponents are gonna play spells. Wich also results in a 9/8 with evasion in the form of flying. It's really really good.
One other card I would really suggest giving a go is Archangel of Thune . She is an absolute beast and of all the cards we are talking about probably the one with most impact. She can literally win you games the moment she hits the battlefield. You play 24 creatures wich will all benefit from here fast. If she enters when there is a Soul's Attendant she will trigger. She is the ultimate pay off on a stick for any lifegain deck and she has build in evasion and lifegain.
All the other explanations I completely agree with, especially looking at your deck from a bit of a different angle. Now with you explanation I can see why you have a hard time cutting something hahaha. If this was my deck I would probably switch around something like this:
I've played Divinity for quite some time and always liked the card. The thing is he is more cute than he makes a big impact. He is difficult to cast (if you have a utility land you are already screwed) and basically he is just an 8/8 flying lifelink. In my opinion both Archangel of Thune / Sunscorch Regent have the ability to make way more impact on the game for the same amount of mana. Wich will actually benefit your entire board state when one of these 2 is out. Where archangel will boost all of your creatures and Sunschorch Regent will start triggering cards like Karlov of the Ghost Council , Crested Sunmare as soon as he hits the battlefield (unless he gets countered) but that's the only way he won't give you life. With all the lifegain doubling triggers you play I see him generating more life than Divinity of Pride will ever do it's entire time on the board.
This is maybe a bit of a controversial one. But this week I actually cut Elesh Norn from my list. Yes she is amazing, but often she does not survive a round and I found the mana investment way too high to justify playing her. On top of that for me she really felt off place in a lifegain deck. You don't really need +2/+2, so in my opinion the only upside on here is the -2/-2 on the opponents side. That is a crazy good static ability. That being said, I think that Archangel of Thune will do more work for you and maybe already in one turn give more than the +2/+2 Elesh permanently provides. Don't get me wrong, people want to see her go as bad as they do Elesh, but the Archangel just does more for your deck. There is more synergy and eventually more threath wich can lead in the win for your deck. I've played games from being behind to winning the game thanks to her.
What to cut for Eight-and-a-Half-Tails I have no idea. I think the 2 slots above are the only 2 flex slots you have in my opinion and since Eight tails is not a bomb like elesh or divinity it's hard to justify a swap like that.
I really want to thank you for your big reply I love discussing cards especially when it's about a theme (lifegain) I'm so fond about! Looking forward for your reaction!
Karlov of the Ghost Council occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
WB (Orzhov): 0.43%