Bottomless Pit

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Bottomless Pit


At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player discards a card at random.

Azoth2099 on Tergrid Sac Discard Draw help please

3 days ago


Ok, so here's a few top picks (imho) for Tergrid, God of Fright  Flip.

Oppression, Liliana, Waker of the Dead, Rankle, Master of Pranks, Living Death, Delirium Skeins, Innocent Blood, Cunning Lethemancer, Bottomless Pit, Necrogen Mists, Words of Waste, Smokestack, Sword of Feast and Famine & Chains of Mephistopheles (just proxy it lol)

There's also a lot of cheaper options that are just as synergistic like Plaguecrafter, Demon's Disciple, Raven's Crime, Hymn to Tourach, Mind Twist, Mind Shatter, Mind Slash & Sadistic Hypnotist.

Outside of the synergy pieces, I'd recommend replacing some of those low-power pieces like Bad Deal & Inevitable End with value pieces like Dark Ritual & Vampiric Tutor for greater consistency.

Kret on Blackness EDH

9 months ago

Hello from a covert discard enjoyer. My suggestion is that the discard itself won't win you the game and If I were you I'd cut some discard spells that target only a single player like Duress or Invoke Despair because they are quite inefficient in a 4 player game as well as some discard spells that only discard one card like Burglar Rat because again they are quite inefficient. Bad Deal isn't what you want to be doing for 6 mana. Instead, I'd add Painful Quandary because it has a static effect and in a low resource environment your opponents will have to start paying 5 life to do anything and that feels really miserable. Discard goes well with reanimation, I'd add all 3 versions of Animate Dead -> Dance of the Dead and Necromancy. Unfortunately discard players often get focused by the table so I like to add something like Gray Merchant of Asphodel to keep life total high. Consider also Bone Miser, Soul Shatter, Sign in Blood, Rankle, Master of Pranks, Bottomless Pit, all versions of Plaguecrafter, Asylum Visitor and Containment Construct. In general I'd prioritise static discard effects (like discard one card every upkeep etc) over single dicard effects.

DreadKhan on Discarded Treachery

1 year ago

I always like effects like Bottomless Pit and Necrogen Mists when I'm building a discard deck, these clear out a ton of cards over time, and even one will quickly make it very hard to keep any cards in hand past upkeeps. There is also Cunning Lethemancer, Necrogoyf, Stronghold Rats and maybe Raiders' Wake if you think you can count on being able to swing at someone. I like these effects more as a way to keep opponent's hands extremely small, they play more like a Stax effect in many ways. They play well with the 'cares about hand size' effects as well as 'cares about discard' effects, and as noted, make it very hard for people to store cards. Other than stuff like Mind Twist and Hymn to Tourach, I don't find single target discard is reliable at keeping hands small, 'engine' enchantments always felt really good.

Have you considered Helm of Possession and Ritual of the Machine, both can do great work in a sacrifice deck that can afford to lose a creature to steal something much juicier. I think Helm is usually the stronger card if people can't blow it up right away, but Ritual is Reserved List and prone to spiking when someone realizes it's potential. Both are a tad pricey, just thought I'd mention them.

Final point, if people are going to be discarding a bunch of creatures potentially, you might like Coffin Queen as a way to reanimate those pitched bodies, especially your opponent's stuff, as it gets exiled when it dies again. Demon of Dark Schemes can also work, not sure if you can generate enough energy to make it viable, but with stuff like Pitiless Plunderer it can go infinite reasonably easily.

DreadKhan on Uber For Phage?!

1 year ago

If you're looking for discard stuff, I use Bottomless Pit, Necrogen Mists, Cunning Lethemancer, Stronghold Rats, Necrogoyf and Creeping Dread as my best discard outlets in my Discard/Stax deck. No clue how many you'd want (if any), but these tend to be good at generating a lot of discard triggers if that's what you want, both for you and opponents.

Strong but not as consistent, you could look at Syphon Mind, it might be the best discard spell, but it's a one and done unfortunately. If you can generate a lot of bodies, Sadistic Hypnotist can clear out big hands. If you think you can consistently deal combat damage to opponents (via Shadows or other unblockables), Court of Ambition is really decent, offering damage and discard on the same card.

legendofa on Tourach, Dread Cantor

1 year ago

Welcome to the club, Thefrench!

How about some repeatable discard? Disrupting Scepter is kind of the low end, specter creatures like Abyssal Specter or Hypnotic Specter provide damage-based discard, and triggered discard like Bottomless Pit through Cunning Lethemancer and Necrogen Mists to Anvil of Bogardan provide reliable counters for your commander, depending on how much money you're willing to spend. Liliana's Caress gets a one-mana discount off Megrim for a very similar effect.

LoneSniper72 on 12 Rack Diesel

1 year ago

Hey, I love some of the combos that you have in here. I noticed that someone already suggested Waste Not and I also think that it is a huge advantage having it down. Also have you considered Quest for the Nihil Stone? Oppression is also another card similar to Bottomless Pit, I've noticed that it basically makes it so people don't want to play cards so it can also hinder the game some. Another card that could be of some use is Noxious Vapors, it is super deadly against mono color decks. The only other cards that I can think of are Sangromancer and Phyrexian Arena. Sangromancer can basically single-handedly keep someone alive for a ton of turns if you get it down early. Phyrexian Arena I feel is a super competitive card for the amount of advantage it provides.

Good luck with the deck I hope you find maybe one of these suggestions useful :)

DreadKhan on 12 Rack Diesel

1 year ago

Apollo_Paladin, I'm glad you like the deck's premise, discard is a ton of fun to play. Waste Not is an interesting card, I've never actually played with it, this might be a deck to try it out in!

duchessCretina, thanks for your input! this is going to be a bit long, but you've challenged the core of my deck I feel like, so I'm obligated to offer some manner of explanation at least. Anyways, no offense taken, hope my ideas make sense to you!

I do have Hymns in my sideboard, I actually find them frustrating to play in a deck like this, which cannot win without it's Rack effects, and a one-time discard two random cards can prove insufficient discard over time. It's terrible to topdeck when people are in topdeck mode, where an enchantment can make it impossible for them to ever keep a card if they're already low. I run x4 Hymn in my Pox deck very happily, where it does win games almost by itself, but that's because the deck is able to pressure people with creature damage. In this deck, I need to people to be in a position where they are avoiding playing spells due to my early Racks/PW discard engines, but when one of those 'each upkeep' Enchantments hit the field, it becomes impossible to keep the Racks from hurting you, if I have a couple racks and 1 or 2 Discard Enchantment, people would need to be running serious card draw to not die in a couple turns, even if they were at a decent life total, 0 life can come suddenly if you're getting hit for 6 or more. Tourach himself is a really neat card, I'm mostly not sure if I want to run any creatures in here, to hopefully blank people's creature interaction. I could run him in the sideboard maybe, that'd be hilarious to board in after people are confident I'm not running any creatures and remove 'dead cards'. Anyways, it's a card I wonder about, because again in my Pox deck I run x4 Erebos's Titan to beat face vs opponents that have run out of creatures, Tourach would be worth thinking about there. The other alternative that deck has really considered was Rotting Regisaur, which has a few drawbacks compared to the Titans, even if a 7/6 is bigger than a 5/5. I actually found White one of the most frustrating opponents, many decks run lots of lands, as well as exile-based removal (so I can't use the Titan's ability/just reanimate one with Animate Dead), so Tourach would work wonders in that hard matchup.

Yeah, I think you might have a point, I could probably run a few non-basics in here for various benefits. Man-lands are probably reasonable in here (helps close in games that end up going longer somehow), as is Castle Locthwain. Worth some fiddling!

Wow, did not know about Sudden Edict, what a good fit!

If the deck had no budget limit, it might run more Lilianas, but you can only have 1 LotV out at a time, so I'm not sure it's a card I 'need' to have out to win, as is this deck tends to be pretty hard on decks that don't run high creature counts, and as for those enchantments, have you ever tried them out? I mostly grabbed Bottomless Pit when it was dirt cheap on a lark, to see how it worked. I actually hated it in the deck I'd hoped it would fit into, but eventually I built a deck vaguely similar to this one, and it wins more games than it has any right to, it's easy to get out multiple Racks, and if I Dark Ritual out a Bottomless Pit, it might be scoopy-time for some decks very quickly, while I largely don't mind it due to sheer redundancy. By their 3rd turn, you're better than a turn 1 Hymn in some ways, and if you followed it up with a Rack or two, you put your opponents in a situation where they can only afford to play a card if it either wins the game on the spot (or very, very quickly), or gains them a lot of life (relatively rare).

DreadKhan on Most TILTING DECK

1 year ago

I like enchantments or planeswalkers that can repeatedly make people discard to get an engine of sorts going, so even decks with some added draw can fall victim to Racks. Bottomless Pit Necrogen Mists Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage Liliana of the Veil are a good start at clearing out people hands, while Davriel also helps close things. The Rack and Shrieking Affliction are, as noted, very good.

I also like edict effects, so a card like Smallpox might be up your ally, but you'd have to lose the higher mana value stuff. Innocent Blood is nice, Geth's Verdict or Liliana's Triumph are worth considering. I used to use Hypnotic Specter, which was fun with Dark Ritual, which can also take cards over time if you stick with creatures.

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