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Words of Waste
(1): The next time you would draw a card this turn, each opponent discards a card instead.
Words of Waste Discussion
3 weeks ago
Schadowpop I have considered Words of Waste , but the big problem is the deck needs it's card draw. I feel that I have enough discard in there as of right now, but card advantage "just for me" is lacking, so I need all the cards I can get. If it tests differently, that is one of the cards i am considering fairly highly. Thanks for the input! (I also don't have all the cards yet - physical build in progress)
3 weeks ago
Have you already considered Words of Waste ? When this is on the battlefield it would have good direct synergy with your cards like: Syphon Mind , Geth's Grimoire , Anvil of Bogardan or Phyrexian Arena .
I've considered building my Nekusar deck upon handhate, exciting to see other players considering a discard type of deck. I'm curious about how good handhate of a strategy is. How has it worked out so far?
4 weeks ago
tim27 hey! While there’s not a real 1:1 alternative, the important feature is to keep opponent’s hand sizes low. Cards like Words of Waste are okay in this regard and you can activate this for your draw for turn which can be a double-edged sword, but works at keeping each opponent’s hands at a minimum. Other than that, Oppression and Bottomless Pit were both originally in my list and serve as great universal stax pieces.
1 month ago
Liliana of the Veil is amazing, though unfortunately she is a lot of money. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is a more affordable alternative -- and if you can flip her fast and consistently, she's arguably just as good. Liliana Vess is also good, but I think she's significantly worse than the aforementioned. If you run some Lilies, Liliana's Triumph becomes even more powerful.
Considering how much of your creatures are under three power, you might want to consider Meekstone if your meta is into the whole attacking thing.
Night of Souls' Betrayal seems like it'd be super dorky in this deck. Your x/1s (like Dusk Legion Zealot ) would die and come back every turn so long as your general is down, so you'd get their triggers on every end step. This will require a lot of build-around, but keep it in mind because it's kinda super powerful.
2 months ago
Hey man! Grixis is fun. I've got some thoughts... feel free to ignore any/all of them.
Your mana base is better than most, but it can still use some work. Consider City of Brass and Mana Confluence . Paying one life for an ETB untapped, chromatic land to generate mana is a great rate, and these two are functionally a second and third command tower. Generally, the one life cost-to-activate is irrelevant.
Similar to your land-base, mana rocks are a great way to hit your colors and ramp yourself faster than your opponents. Since you don't have access to dorks, you need to consider more two-mana mana-rocks; these are, in my experience, vastly superior to three-mana rocks. Consider running a few of the following: Talisman of Indulgence , Talisman of Dominance , Talisman of Creativity , Fellwar Stone , Arcane Signet , Mind Stone , Prismatic Lens and/or Coldsteel Heart . The diamonds ( Sky Diamond , Charcoal Diamond and Fire Diamond ) are really just worse Coldsteel Heart s. If you wanna go and bust the bank, Grixis decks often have the critical mass of artifacts necessary to make Mox Opal good; Mox Diamond and Chrome Mox are also great. Also Mana Crypt .
In general, one-for-ones like Hero's Downfall and Dreadbore are not going to be powerful enough in a format like EDH. You have three times as many opponents, meaning you're facing approximately three times the number of cards you yourself have available. So you're probably going to want to be able to remove multiple threats with one card -- this is part of the reason Wrath effects are so good. I like that you're running Damnation ; consider Toxic Deluge as another, similar effect that dodges Gaddock Teeg 's restrictions. I've always been a big fan of By Force as mass artifact removal, and Cyclonic Rift is always worth including. Finally, Fire Covenant is a great piece of mass spot removal.
One card especially good with Cyclonic Rift is Windfall . Pairing Windfall with a Narset, Parter of Veils (which I think you should definitely run) leads to instant fun. More generally, mass, repeatable card-draw and/or selection is a great thing in EDH and decides most games. Phyrexian Arena is probably the most common way to generate card-advantage in black, but also consider Graveborn Muse , Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time (I don't recommend both, as delve can get in its own way), Fact or Fiction , Painful Truths (which is quickly becoming one of my favorite cards), Faithless Looting , Dack Fayden and the like.
Adding more cards to your counter package seems like a plausible route for improvement. If budget is no object, Mana Drain and Force of Will are the two best counters available. Also consider Force of Negation , which is excellent against combo decks, Dispel , which is great against Ad Nauseam decks, Pyroblast , which is good usually against at least one or two of your opponents and (on the off chance you run Dack Fayden and ult him) can steal a permanent, Flusterstorm , Spell Snare , Spell Pierce and other such cheap 'n efficient counter spells. If you want to go REALLY deep, I've found Counterbalance to be a high variance EDH card that tends to be good more often than not; you're already running Sensei's Divining Top , which is what really makes Counterbalance busted.
Lore-wise, Nicol Bolas is good at enrapturing and manipulating other, lesser creatures. Consider a Mr. Steal-yo-Gurl package, which is both flavorful and powerful. Sower of Temptation and Control Magic can both make opposing Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre s into your own threats; Bribery is similarly busted, and does not risk getting removed by a Toxic Deluge or (more likely) Nature's Claim . Also consider Treachery and Corrupted Conscience .
Since you're in blue, you have access to the best cantrips in magic. I highly, highly recommend running Ponder and Preordain -- These two don't look like much, but they'll dig you to what you need and past what you don't more efficiently than any other card. Brainstorm is also good, but I'd suggest holding off adding it until you get some more fetch lands in your deck. (Fetch lands' shuffle effect will make sure you don't get stuck with two dead cards on top of your deck.) Prismatic Vista and the off-color fetches like Flooded Strand or Verdant Catacombs are good ways to fill this role.
Your general has built-in discard. Another package to consider, therefore, is a Waste Not package. This is a relatively unique package in that it actually does not need the namesake card in order to be good; Raven's Crime , Words of Waste and Syphon Mind are all good in their own right, and made busted when Waste Not is on the field. Stick a Geth's Grimoire in the mix, and you can really go to town (especially with Words of Waste ).
Finally, as a kinda fun-z last suggestion, there's a 'Words' combo I've always liked that you may find interesting -- remember, though, it's really not the best. If you pair Words of Wind with Baleful Strix and a lot of mana, you can repeatedly return Baleful Strix to your hand with Words of Wind 's ability and make your opponents keep returning permanents. This would likely work best if your Omniscience was on the field, as it would end up effectively reading: ': Each opponent returns X permanents they control to their owners' hands.' However, this is likely a win-more type of thing.
There're some cards I think you should consider cutting in order to make room for my above suggestions. Wasp of the Bitter End strikes me as likely too weak in a format with three opponents; similarly, since Toll of the Invasion only hits one opponent, this should likely be considered on the chopping block. I think a boardwipe like Toxic Deluge is probably a lot better than Tyrant's Scorn . Lazotep Plating is probably worse than a regular hard counter. Finally, if you like the idea of artifact-based ramp in (2), thirty-eight lands is too many. I recommend cutting three to five, depending on how aggressively ramp-heavy you want your deck to play.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
2 months ago
Blue Sun's Zenith is an interesting infinite mana outlet, but it is only going to kill one opponent at a time (assuming you have no way to tutor it back out of your deck). I think Exsanguinate is better, if only because it is a 'kill everyone' type of deal.
Vintage Xerox cards, like your Brainstorm , are a good way to filter through cards you don't want to get to those you do; cantrips like these seem underwhelming, but are banned in Modern and (some) are restricted in Vintage for a reason. I suggest adding Ponder and Preordain to the mix, as they can provide a lot of card selection and make marginal opening sevens much better.
Your lands have, like DemMeowsephs indicates, a lot of room for improvement. If you want your Brainstorm to be the best it can be, land-generated shuffle effects are the way to go. While the Onslaught/Zendikar fetches are the gold-standard here (like Polluted Delta or Scalding Tarn ), they are also roughly to price of gold; slightly more affordable options include Terramorphic Expanse , Evolving Wilds , Prismatic Vista , Bad River , Rocky Tar Pit ... Shock lands ( Steam Vents , Watery Grave and Blood Crypt , for this deck) are a good option, especially since they can be fetched with Bad River or Rocky Tar Pit . Chromatic lands, like City of Brass , Mana Confluence or even a well-timed Reflecting Pool are also great ETB-untapped sources of mana. Finally, I think you're running too many lands; generally, if you aren't a lands-matter oriented deck, you want to run around thirty-three at most. I suggest replacing four or five lands with mana-rocks, which will speed up your deck a lot.
Speaking of rocks, I'm glad to see you're already running the signets in addition to Sol Ring . In non-green color identities it's tough to ramp, and their inclusion shows you already recognize how powerful artifact ramp is. I suggest Talisman of Creativity , Talisman of Indulgence and Talisman of Dominance in addition to the signets. Two-mana ramp is significantly better than three-mana ramp, since by turn three you want to be doing things more relevant to the board; this becomes easier if you ramped on two, thus having four mana turn three. To that end, I suggest replacing some of your three-mana ramp with two mana ramp. Options include Prismatic Lens , Thought Vessel , Everflowing Chalice , Coldsteel Heart , Fire Diamond / Charcoal Diamond / Sky Diamond (I like these the least), and the soon-to-release Arcane Signet (hopefully its price will drop once the Throne of Eldraine releases).
Mass card-draw is at a premium in EDH, where doing busted things requires that you have a critical mass of busted cards. If you have the money, Wheel of Fortune is a second, better Windfall to pair with your Narset, Parter of Veils . As it has a similar but more powerful effect in conjunction with the Windfall effects, I suggest you bring in Notion Thief from your sideboard. I've always had a soft spot for cards like your Syphon Mind , as draw-threes are also great; consider Painful Truths . That's a card I've been very impressed with in my Tasigur, the Golden Fang list, and I think it'll be good in any three-color black deck. Mystic Remora is a great card that can be an easy Ancestral Recall if you drop it at the right time, especially in less experienced/less cutthroat metas.
In Magic, it is perhaps as important to stop your opponents from doing things as it is to do things yourself. If you choose not to run Notion Thief (or even if you do), Night of Souls' Betrayal is a brutal card to consider. Ashiok, Dream Render tends to be a pain for most decks (as the vast majority of decks try to tutor, at least in some way), and a REAL pain for graveyard decks.
Grixis, especially with Nicol Bolas-y decks, has access to a whole suite of discard magic not available to other commander identities. It takes a lot of crafting, but building a deck with Waste Not in mind can be really nice. Mass-discard, similar to your Syphon Mind and general's ETB trigger, keeps pressure on your opponents' hands and will help prevent them from killing you. Consider Raven's Crime , which turns late game land-blanks into repeatable one-for-ones, and Words of Waste , which can make your general's +2 all the more brutal.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
2 months ago
@Tyrant-Thanatos, By the same token Iona, Shield of Emeria costs 9 mana and is still on the banlist. In fact if you read the Official Format Philosophy Document of July 2019, nowhere does it mention that a card can only be ban-worthy if it's CMC is low. On the contrary the banlist change of July 2019 states how presuming a card should not be put onto the banlist due to its high casting cost is erroneous thinking in of itself as there are ways to cheat high cost cards into play as well as the fact that a high casting cost alone is not enough of a downside if its effect heavily warps the game in detrimental ways.
I digress, commander does hold a plethora of 2-to-3 card infinite combos, but that doesn't justify every card combo to ever exist. So what if Griselbrand can draw your library with one of any number of cards in deck? Enter the Infinite exists and yet that card isn't banned. Well, the issue is you can't have Enter the Infinite as your commander, nor does it give you a 7/7 flying, lifelink, blocker who can give you said draw power at instant speed when it would be most convenient to do so. If that card draw enabler happens to be Ivory Tower you're going to be gaining absurd amounts of life on top of that. Enter the Infinite doesn't offer any level of protection when it comes to putting your whole deck in your hand while also offering each opponent a turn to respond. Even if you have another card in deck that makes Enter the Infinite even more broken like Quicken it will not ever reach the same level of bustedness as the Griselbrand + Ivory Tower synnergy. Furthermore that would require finding two specific cards in deck whereas Griselbrand already starts in your command zone.
While Yawgmoth's Bargain can still give you the same level of card advantage with Ivory Tower or Venser's Journal it can not be used as your commander nor does it give you an effective chump-blocker to help protect you. On the contrary however in addition to being a potential infinite card draw engine it can also be an oppressive lock-down engine with Words of Waste . It would be one thing if this synergy had you out-right win the game as any game-winning combo piece that can literally draw up it's other half is already problematic in itself. This synergy however is worse as it just flat out denies all opponents from playing the game at an extremely cost-effective rate. If I lose the game to Deceiver Exarch + Splinter Twin I can at least play another game right away, whereas with this combo no one gets to play this game or the next game for an extended period of time unless everyone agrees to give-up their already established board-state and concede. Having one single card with the potential to both create infinite draw and permanently lockdown the game and be able to dig for either of those enablers while taking advantage of your already high starting life total is simply too strong and can not be easily compared to any run-of-the-mill two-card synergy.
2 months ago
Griselbrand and Yawgmoth's Bargain are broken with Ivory Tower . It practically ensures drawing out your entire library for literally no cost or drawback. If you also run Reliquary Tower you can start gaining ridiculous amounts of life every turn to the point non-commander damage doesn't even matter anymore. Throw in a Aetherflux Reservoir or Sickening Dreams as a finisher.
Also Yawgmoth's Bargain creates an instant lock on your opponents with Words of Waste . The two cards can easily remove your opponent's hands and makes it so they never get to play any spells as you can force them to discard the card drawn on their draw step before their main phase. If you have a simple way to gain any kind of life then you've effectively locked everyone else from playing the game. This is one of the big reasons why Yawgmoth's Bargain is banned and not Necropotence as Necropotence doesn't say "draw a card" anywhere making it unable to work with Words of Waste and even if it did you wouldn't be able to draw that card until your endstep - not whenever you want.
Words of Waste occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%