|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Eternal Masters (EMA)||Uncommon|
|Vintage Masters (VMA)||Uncommon|
|From the Vault: Twenty (V13)||Mythic Rare|
|Masters Edition (MED)||Common|
|Fallen Empires (FEM)||Common|
|Promo Set (000)||Common|
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Hymn to Tourach
Target player discards two cards at random.
Hymn to Tourach Discussion
3 weeks ago
Some Shrieking Affliction or even The Rack would probably fit in this deck, as you've got a heap of discard effects in it. Hymn to Tourach is maybe not casual friendly, but it's really nasty, nasty enough to win the odd game by itself nearly. I think Appetite is an odd card to use if you are running 4 of a card to animate from the opponent's graveyard, and I would sub something else in for it probably. A few Dark Ritual wouldn't hurt, and they are pretty budget.
1 month ago
Must say, surprised at how devastating The Rack and Bottomless Pit are together, even in a deck lacking the great Hymn to Tourach , a card that I should think you'd consider running maybe. As you're in Vintage, why not at least 2 Mind Twist ? they can end a game on turn two with a Dark Ritual.
1 month ago
ewok2000 Chaos Warp is a card i really like to move in the mainboard because i can deal with any pice of hate which can prevent the combo going off, Vandalblast too is a really nice card to run for the same motivation, the other 2 enchantments are really good especially the curse but you will 90% of the time have to discard them with Anje Falkenrath just for cycling purposes, Bone Miser can go infinite value but his 5 cmc without madness discount make him too slow, same for Solemn Simulacrum K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth considering that the deck need to combo off at turn 3, max turn 4, i really haven't time to play those dudes even if they are really strong, maybe they can be played in a more thematic/casual build but too clunky for cEDH (edit: that's true even for Perpetual Timepiece and for Grimoire of the Dead ). Blasphemous Act is a card i totally forgot about and can be very effective resetting the board state if we have to wipe out 5/6 creatures, i don't like effects like Dark Deal , Wheel of Fortune , Gamble etc. i feel those cards too random in their effect so i decided to cut them entirely, i don't even play Hymn to Tourach so i can't consider to play those cards but is only a gamestyle issue, otherwise they can fit really well in this strategy but i don't feel lucky enough to play them xd. ty for the ideas i really appreciate it :D
1 month ago
Thanks again Massacar,
I had Dark Deal in an early version, but dont love that it hits me for minus one draw as well. and the one time use for Hymn to Tourach was what kept me from picking it. But that being said, i really like Arterial Flow .... 3 mana for opponents only to discard 2 each.. beautiful - and chances are i will have a vamp in play as well. That one is definitely going on my buy list.
I have played this a couple times, and I find it super fun but have absolutely no win condition on it (which is fine for now as long as we have fun playing), but not sure about creatures yet. Of the 3, i like Liliana's Specter only because its an ETB and not a hit the opponent ability. Will know more after more playtesting
1 month ago
Totally missed Creeping Dread and a few others.
If you really want to build into opponent discard though, consider Arterial Flow , Dark Deal , Hymn to Tourach , Dreamstealer , Hypnotic Specter , or Liliana's Specter . All of those options cost 3cmc or less and are $ cheap as well.
Good luck with the build, I will post back if I come up with anything new.
1 month ago
@Senomar Thanks, glad you like it! Guess i'm not the only one that found his way to duel for these reasons :)
Good point on the number of lands. I was hesitating to cut them to 32, but during my last games i was fine. I'll keep an eye out and put them back up to 34, if i should get the feeling of having to mulligan too often.
I was really struggling to find a spot for the tutors. Also a bit afraid they might be deadcards early on, as turn 2 is usually rock or ramp and turn 3 Braids. Thing is, Icequake , Rain of Tears and Rancid Earth are usually in line for turn 4, together with a random 1 or 2CMC Spell. It's also the turn after Braids hits, when they are a great tool to put pressure on the opponent(or cripple colorhungry decks).
So idon't want to cut them, but:
Provided everything went as usual, i should have 5 Mana by Turn 4. That's enough to cast Demonic Tutor or Tainted Pact and follow up by Icequake which i can search for then. Depending on the Situation searching for one of the two Lilianas or other <=3CMC drops might be another nice option.
2 months ago
I love seeing discard decks. I run a Nebuchadnezzar discard deck, I recommend checking it out if ya want some ideas.
You are missing some of the stronger discard sorcery spells. Mind Twist and the weaker Mind Shatter are very powerful sorcery that can force your opponents to just go top decking, plus with your commander it becomes make target opponent top deck and get X 1/1 soldiers. I run both in Nebuchadnezzar because its a nice gun to have against combo players or fragile decks that cant handle losing resources. Arterial Flow is another good sorcery disacrd spell cause it forces all your opponents to discard 2 cards, unfortunately it is there choice and not yours or random. However two cards can be a lot, in a 4 pod game you manage to get 6 1/1s and discard 6 cards for 3 mana. Hymn to Tourach is really brutal because it takes out 2 cards at RANDOM, random discard can really mess with people because it gives the chance of taking out something really powerful vs giving them a choice and they discard 2 lands. I then recommend at least one 1 mana discard spell because they let you see your opponents hand and you get to pick what gets discarded. They are small power but getting knowledge is really valuable in a discard deck because it lets you know who is a big threat and who you should be trying to get to top decking first.
For enchantments you are missing two of the most powerful discard engines, Bottomless Pit and Oppression . I do understand that both these cards hurt you however they are so powerful that the little negative of hurting you can be ignored. Making everybody discard 1 card at random at their upkeeps can be very deadly, you get a token each upkeep(except yours) and you can ideally stop people from getting combos or using powerful cards. Then oppression is really nice cause it punishes spell slinging decks or decks that try to go greedy and cast a lot of stuff. Both these enchantments make it a lot easier to get people to top deck.
For creatures, I recommend checking out some specters( I run a lot of the good ones in my nebu deck). Specter are typically 3 to 4 mana creatures that just force people to discard a card when they deal combat damage. Solid flyers and helps you get people to top deck and produce tokens.
Now for some cool synergy, I recommend Sepulchral Primordial and Reanimate . Because you are putting all of your opponents cards in their graveyard doesnt mean they have to go to waste. With primordial you get a 5/4 intimate creature for 7 mana + 3 creatures of your choice from your opponents graveyards ( I assume 4 man game). Reanimate is nice because you can either bring back one of your creatures or take that really strong creature you forced your opponent to discard early game.
I hope these suggestions help.
3 months ago
Hymn to Tourach occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.7%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%