Chains of Mephistopheles
If a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player discards a card instead. If the player discards a card this way, he or she draws a card. If the player doesn't discard a card this way, he or she puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
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Chains of Mephistopheles Discussion
1 month ago
I'm not sure what your playgroup consists of, or what your budget is, so I'll just rattle off some cards and (if needed) their budget alternatives, as well as what I would suggest replacing.
Chromatic Lantern in place of Everflowing Chalice : Lantern fixes your lands that tap for colorless (or cabal coffers before you get it going), and keeps you from getting wrecked by Blood Moon by giving your "Mountains" the ability to tap for black.
I already see some other great cards in your maybeboard: Dark Confidant , Gray Merchant of Asphodel , Thoughtseize , and Necropotence among them. Confidant is "draw" without the "draw", which can be an important distinction for certain cards (cough cough Chains of Mephistopheles cough cough Nekusar, the Mindrazer cough cough). Gary is an alternate wincon and also replenishes your health after you drain yourself with your own cards. Thoughtseize basically is "I want this card in your hand" with your commander, and Necropotence is just a broken card that gives you more cards than you can cast.
I feel like your deck may be missing some draw power, so I would suggest Geth's Grimoire , the previously mentioned Vilis, and Howling Mine / Mikokoro, Center of the Sea . With all the discard potential, these last two shouldn't be a problem if your opponents get a couple cards!
For any combo of the above suggestions, I would consider cutting Living Death , Death Cloud , Tangle Wire , and Mindslicer . My reasoning for these four specifically is that they are too mana costly and also negatively affect your boardstate in a way that doesn't put you ahead.
Lastly, I have some land suggestions that I am unsure what to cut for because you already have a decent selection. High Market is a great land, along with its alternate, Miren, the Moaning Well . Deserted Temple can be an extra Cabal Coffers or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx . If you like to take risks, you could include Dark Depths for the classic Vesuva / Thespian's Stage combo!
2 months ago
I'm not worried about Vindicate , since Maelstrom Pulse has been in Modern since Alara, and I don't expect the land destruction option to make that much if a difference. (Thereby guaranteeing I get steamrolled by LD some day.) In particular, Legacy/Vintage has everything on the reserved list, which includes the original dual lands, Aluren , Academy Rector , Chains of Mephistopheles , Sylvan Library , Swords to Plowshares , Grim Monolith as some highlights, and anything banned in Modern-- Deathrite Shaman , Field of the Dead , Once Upon a Time , Cloudpost , and so on.
3 months ago
4 months ago
My (almost) full list:
1 The Fool: Far Wanderings
2 The Magician: Barrin, Tolarian Archmage
3 The High Priestess: Sanctimony
4 The Empress: Karametra, God of Harvests
5 The Emperor: Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter
6 The Hierophant: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
7 The Lovers: Pia and Kiran Nalaar
8 The Chariot: Anafenza, the Foremost
9 Justice: Dawnbreak Reclaimer
10 The Hermit: Enlightened Ascetic
11 Wheel of Fortune: Wheel of Sun and Moon
12 Strength: Lion's Eye Diamond
13 The Hanged Man: not much for this one
14 Death: Pestilence
15 Temperance: Tonic Peddler
16 The Devil: Chains of Mephistopheles
17 The Tower: Sentinel Tower
18 The Star: nothing I'm really happy with
19 The Moon: Full Moon's Rise
20 The Sun: Not much here, either
21 Judgement: Angel's Trumpet
22 The World: nothing here, either
4 months ago
Typically you don't want to add too many combos into something, BUT, if you are working Tergrid, God of Fright Flip into this deck it should solely be because of Nath's ability and the other discard outlets you have. You can farm It That Betrays pretty fast if you're going elves as well. Presence of Gond would be something to add into the elf side of the deck as well and just put the enchantment onto one of your tokens. Lathril, Blade of the Elves for the elf kind of deck would be good as well since elves is your main theme with Discard being the sub-theme. I noticed you did A LOT of changes to this deck taking ideas from the stax side of Nath. While this is a GREAT idea, you dont want to be doing too much. You should have a small package of stax pieces Torpor Orb Chains of Mephistopheles Nether Void Bottomless Pit Necrogen Mists and maybe one or two others including Possessed Portal . I notice you added in Earthcraft squirrels nest; as much as I LOVE this combo, I don't think it works for your deck. The reason being is that you want to swing wide. STAX needs a wincon outside of Torment of Hailfire and taxing our opponents to death. This is why I suggested Lathril instead of the stax set up.
I hope this can help out! -Shadowz
4 months ago
ShaDoWz_6677, Possessed Portal does seem to be a strong card, even though 8 mana seems high I guess we are slowing the game down enough and have enough ramp/mana rocks to get there quickly. I actually own not one, but TWO Chains of Mephistopheles ...was one of the first cards I added to the brew. Court of Ambition is also in this deck.
I love your decklist and primer, and will take a few of your combo ideas to add to this one. I also need to up my mana base a little...probably cutting a few of the dead weight elves.
4 months ago
TeaTimeWizard be mindful, that's a stax deck. But you can get some GREAT discard pieces out of it. Possessed Portal is one that a lot of people skip on when you think Nath. it's a house in the deck. Then you have the $1500 Chains of Mephistopheles which is the best card in Nath. But I truly believe you can play Nath without using Chains.
Theres a lot that you can do to toy around with discard and making people have to effectively deal with your deck.
Court of Ambition is pretty good for this as well.
4 months ago
So, I read a bit in your primer. Chains of Mephistopheles is worded weird. BUT, how chains works with Anvil is weird.
That first card they draw (Anvil Card) they discard a card first, then draw. Then they draw there card for turn, which will not trigger Chains of Mephistopheles. It's 1 discard difference, but it's pretty huge for board state interaction.
I would recommend Mindcrank for this deck if your running Bloodchief Ascension . It's not the cEDH Tergrid, but if your opponents are discarding already, why not? Necropotence seems good here since you can get around your own Anvil trigger, and your own Chains triggers since you aren't drawing the cards. This impacts the board state on an entirely different level if YOU aren't being effected by Chains either.
Underworld Dreams seems pretty solid as well and I'm surprised your not running it too since your opponents are losing life off of each card they draw (Triggering your Bloodchief)