Desolation
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Big Apple Highlander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Freeform Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
PreDH Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Desolation

Enchantment

At end of turn, each player who tapped a land for mana this turn sacrifices a land. If a Plains is sacrificed this way, Desolation deals 2 damage to that Plains's controller.

clayperce on The Black Deck

7 months ago

ALostWanderer -
Saw your help tag so thought I'd reach out. As a disclaimer though: I've never played Tergrid (vs or myself) and I'm still working on my first Bracket 4 deck myself. So please take all this as "brainstorming", not as "recommendations" ! :-D

FIRST THOUGHTS: MANA BASE AND MANA CURVE

  • I love Salubrious Snail's manabase tool for analysing my lands, mana rocks, and rituals as I tweak a deck. If we plug your decklist in, it reports "your manabase is struggling, playing your spells 0.99 turns late on average" (with Tergid over 1.3 turns late). For Bracket 4, you'll probably want to aim for something like "... strong playing your spells [~0.2] turns late on average."
  • As you tweak the deck, I rec' taking an especially hard look at your 5-drops (which compete directly with Tergrid) and your 7-drops (which compete directly with her re-cast).

MORE B4 STAPLES? Some options to help find the cards we need and play them quickly …

MORE DISCARD EFFECTS, MAYBE?

MORE PROTECTION, MAYBE? If you find yourself needing just a touch more protection for your Bracket 4 meta: Cavern of Souls, Imp's Mischief, and oc Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots.

MORE COMBO PIECES, MAYBE?

  • As far as I can tell, you only have 2x combos in the deck (any lifegain effect + Exquisite Blood + either Sanguine Bond or Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose) ... increasing the combo potential (and Tutor effects, to find the pieces) is definitely solid approach to make the deck more competitive in Bracket 4.
  • The Find my Combos page over at Commander Spellbook is a great tool, if you want to lean into combos more.

MORE STAX EFFECTS, MAYBE?

  • It’s hard to go wrong with the namesake card (Smokestack) in a Stax deck :-)
  • If you wanted to lean into Mass Land Denial a little more, I like both Contamination and Desolation.

A FEW FINAL THOUGHTS:

  • You might consider adding Feed the Swarm and/or Withering Torment ... they're IMO the best tools we have to deal with enchantments in Mono-B.
  • Braids, Arisen Nightmare maybe? I play Sephiroth, Fabled SOLDIER and she's amazing there ... I don’t get that many sacs from her (so she may not be as good in your deck), but her card draw is always superb.
  • I'm a fan of Malakir Rebirth, as protection when I need it and a Land when I don't.
  • I don't see anything that benefits from Reliquary Tower ... it would honestly be my first drop.
  • It's a totally small thing, but if you don't already have very distinct deck sleeves, you might consider getting some ... the last time I played vs a steal-your-things Commander everyone at the table had blue matte sleeves, and sorting out the cards afterwards was a bit of a pain :-D

Anyways, I really hope something in there ^^ proves useful, and I’m very sorry for the spam if it doesn't!

Good luck (and good skill) with the deck!
Cheers!

Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation

1 year ago

It had not been implemented yet as I was asked to try and reduce some of the complexity. I don't think I succeeded.


Tutor:

"search your library for ... card..."
"searches their library for ... card..."
"may search their library for ... card..."
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... you may"
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... that card onto the battlefield under your control"
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has the words basic, Plains, Forest, Island, Mountain or Swamp.
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has a period in it.
Exception: Any string that replaces the second elipses that starts with "s named" or " named" or " with the same name"


This should catch instances of multiple cards being tutored. Note the lack of an inclusion of a period at the end for the first three.


All instances of the word "your" can be swapped for "target player" or "each player".

Individual cards: Demonic Consultation, Divining Witch, Emergent Ultimatum, Quiet Speculation, Tunnel Vision

Individual exceptions: AEther Searcher, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Hired Giant



Mass Land Denial:

"sacrifices ... lands"
"return ... lands to their owner's hands."
Exception: If the above ... has "two" or "three" in it for any of them.

"each player ... chooses ... land(s) ... sacrifices the rest."

"lands don't untap"
"players can't untap ... land"
Exception: If the card is instant or sorcery.


All instances of the word "land" dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped for "permanent".


"lands are (land subtype)."


All instances of the word land dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped with "nonbasic land", "Plains", "Forest", "Island", "Mountain" or "Swamp".
All instances of the word "sacrifices" can be swapped for "destroy" or "exile".
All instances of the word "player" can be swapped for "opponent".

A global expection for all Mass Land Denial is made if "nonland" is in any elipses.

Individual cards: Desolation, Equipoise, Hall of Gemstone, Land Equilibrium, Limited Resources, Mana Breach, Mana Vortex, Overburden, Pox, Quicksilver Fountain, Sands of Time, Storm Cauldron, Tangle Wire, Temporal Distortion, Thoughts of Ruin, Wake of Destruction, Ward of Bones, Words of Wind, World Queller

Individual exceptions: Hibernation, Scourglass



Nothing is case sensitive

Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation

1 year ago

note that the list hasn't been implemented yet. That specific part does hit Magus, Balance and Cataclysm but doesn't hit Razia's Purification, Balancing Act nor Pox. I can add in an additional option for permanents, Pox has unique wording so will have to be manually added.

This is what I have so far.


Mass Land Denial:


"sacrifice ... lands"
"each player sacrifices ... lands"
"return ... lands to their owner's hand"
Exception: If the above ... has "two" or "three" in it for any of them.
Note the requirement for the word land to be plural.

"lands don't untap"
"Players can't play lands"
Exception: If the card is instant or sorcery.

"each player ... chooses ... land(s) ... sacrifices the rest."

"return all lands to their owners' hands"


All instances of the word "land" dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped for "permanent".


"Whenever a player .... that player returns a land they control to its owner's hand."

"lands are (land subtype)."


All instances of the word land dictated as a requirement in all the strings above can be swapped with "nonbasic land", "Plains", "Forest", "Island", "Mountain" or "Swamp".
All instances of the word "sacrifice" can be swapped for "destroy" or "exile".
All instaces of the word "player" can be swapped for "opponent".

A global expection for all Mass Land Denial is made if "nonland" is ever in the textbox.
Individual cards bypass exceptions.

Individual cards: Desolation, Equipoise, Hall of Gemstone, Mana Vortex, Mist of Stagnation, Parallax Tide, Pox, Quicksilver Fountain, Sands of Time, Smokestack, Storm Cauldron, Tangle Wire, Temporal Distortion, Thoughts of Ruin, Words of Wind, World Queller

Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation

1 year ago

Anything anyone thinks is missing with this?


Tutor:

"Search your library for ... card"
Exception: Tutors that, within the above string, have the words basic, Plains, Forest, Island, Mountain or Swamp.

This should catch instances of multiple cards being tutored.

Individual cards: Demonic Consultation, Divining Witch, Tunnel Vision


Mass Land Denial:

"Destroy/Exile ... lands"
"Each player/opponent sacrifices ... lands"
"Return ... lands to their owner's hand"
Exception: If the above ... is "two" or "three" for any of them.
Note the requirement for the word land to be plural.

"Each player/opponent ... chooses ... land(s) ... sacrifices/destroys/exiles the rest."

"Return all lands/permanents to their owners' hands."

"Whenever a player .... that player returns a land they control to its owner's hand."

"lands don't untap"
"Players can't play lands"
Exception: If the card is instant or sorcery.

All instances of the word land dictated as a requirement in these strings can be swapped with "nonbasic land", "Plains", "Forest", "Island", "Mountain" or "Swamp".
All instances of the word land/lands must not be nonland.

Individual cards: Blood Moon, Desolation, Equipoise, Hall of Gemstone, Mana Vortex, Mist of Stagnation, Parallax Tide, Sands of Time, Storm Cauldron, Tangle Wire, Temporal Distortion, Thoughts of Ruin


edit: quietly adds "Hall of Gemstones" as a synonym to Hall of Gemstone

McDeity on Korvold

3 years ago

To fortify a misery package, Burning Sands, Earthlink, Destructive Flow, Tainted AEther, Desolation, Thoughts of Ruin, and Destructive Force.

Nick_V on CEDH Tergrid Stax

4 years ago

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Want to give this a shot for a little more board control while I set up.

NV_1980 on Tergrid, God of Fright; Germinate from the dead

4 years ago

Hi,

This looks pretty cool. Even without Tergrid, your deck will make it hard for opponents to establish a board-presence with creatures. I would really throw in a Torment of Hailfire; it fits so well with the overall theme. Then there's your opportunity for additional draw; the deck contains maybe five options for that; most being non-recurring. Ideally, EDH decks should carry around maybe 10 on average. Some ideas: Geth's Grimoire, Tinybones, Trinket Thief, Phyrexian Arena and Underworld Connections.

I see you've included a lot of mana-artifacts, so also including Desolation might make sense from that point of view, but ... I dunno. It seems like you've sacrificed all your artifact utility slots for artifact mana slots in order to use this card. And there are so many interesting artifact utilities you now don't have space for, like the aformentioned Grimoire but also other stuff that would really fit the theme like Smokestack, Bolas's Citadel, Anvil of Bogardan, etc.

Lastly, I would really recommend replacing Enslave, Inevitable End and Strands of Undeath with enchantments that allow you to benefit from and/or punishing others for discarding/sacrificing; black has so many nice options to choose from for this like Megrim, Liliana's Caress, Raiders' Wake, Waste Not and Bloodchief Ascension.

Have fun with the deck.

Regards,

NV_1980

ClockworkSwordfish on Tergrid's Damnation

4 years ago

This looks absolutely vicious - I love it. A deck like this will draw a massive amount of ire, though, so it might help to keep everyone off your back by taking aim at their mana base! Desolation should be excellent here, letting you swipe your foes' lands every turn they try and pay for anything.

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