Necrogen Mists

Enchantment

At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player discards a card.

Discussion (51)

DreadKhan on Smallpox

2 weeks ago

It feels odd seeing no Innocent Blood in here, but I guess with 4 Liliana's, you don't need it as badly. Still, vs a high creature deck like I playtested it against, this does struggle a bit if it can't get a Liliana out, but if it can, it's in pretty solid shape.

Why is Last Hope in here if you run 0 creatures? I'd prefer Innocent Blood or Necrogen Mists maybe since you are running a discard theme, and maybe The Rack over Cursed Scroll? The Rack is fully passive, and with so much discard, it could even be a more effective damage dealer for the same CMC up front.

SideBae on Low att. discard

2 weeks ago

So two cards I think you should put in right away are Geth's Grimoire and Words of Waste . Paired, they're busted -- but individually they're good, too.

Smallpox and Pox are some pretty brutal spells to resolve. I've always been partial to Smallpox , simply because it's easier to build around, but Pox proper can be pretty good too.

Liliana of the Veil is amazing, though unfortunately she is a lot of money. Liliana, Heretical Healer  ^Flip is a more affordable alternative -- and if you can flip her fast and consistently, she's arguably just as good. Liliana Vess is also good, but I think she's significantly worse than the aforementioned. If you run some Lilies, Liliana's Triumph becomes even more powerful.

Considering how much of your creatures are under three power, you might want to consider Meekstone if your meta is into the whole attacking thing.

Raven's Crime interacts pretty well with Null Profusion .

Night of Souls' Betrayal seems like it'd be super dorky in this deck. Your x/1s (like Dusk Legion Zealot ) would die and come back every turn so long as your general is down, so you'd get their triggers on every end step. This will require a lot of build-around, but keep it in mind because it's kinda super powerful.

Bottomless Pit and Necrogen Mists are good permanent-based sources of discard. Oppression is also pretty dumb.

dingusdingo on Non dredge gitrog deck.

1 month ago

This is a somewhat strange request. The interaction between Dakmor Salvage and The Gitrog Monster is extremely strong, and very cheap monetarily. You should consider running a couple dredge cards for value anyways, as hitting 2-3 extra draws off a dredge is an easy and once again cheap monetarily way to get ahead in card advantage.

To humor you though, here's what I'd probably run.

• The full suite of 1 drop mana dorks Arbor Elf Llanowar Elves Fyndhorn Elves Birds of Paradise etc. etc. and some big dorks like Priest of Titania
• Cards that let me put extra lands into play for more landfall triggers Sakura-Tribe Scout Skyshroud Ranger Azusa, Lost but Seeking Explore Exploration Burgeoning maybe even Walking Atlas
• Cards that let me turn lands into effects or otherwise graveyard the lands Sylvan Safekeeper Constant Mists Crop Rotation Elvish Reclaimer Edge of Autumn Lotus Field Forbidden Ritual Reprocess Harrow
• Cards that love lands entering battlefield or graveyard Terravore Titania, Protector of Argoth Avenger of Zendikar Rampaging Baloths Undergrowth Champion Lotus Cobra
• Symmetrical black land hate cards that I can break parity on with Gitrog draws and recursion Smallpox Pox Death Cloud Desolation
• Recursion effects for all these land sacs Life from the Loam Groundskeeper Crucible of Worlds Ramunap Excavator
• Cards that go with my board hate subtheme here Torment of Hailfire Oppression Necrogen Mists Bottomless Pit Bane of Progress Back to Nature Black Sun's Zenith Damnation Root Maze Caustic Caterpillar
• Finishers if you don't want to combo, like Beastmaster Ascension Genesis Wave Craterhoof Behemoth Overrun Overwhelming Stampede

And from there, round it out with some efficient early game beaters, some spot removal, land ramp, and a bit of card draw.

hungry000 on Shadow Magic

1 month ago

I recommend having a 3:1 spit of Dead of Winter and Bontu's Last Reckoning , or at least a 2:2 split. Dead of Winter scales to kill big creatures in the late game and is able to kill pretty much anything they play before turn 3 without the huge downside that Reckoning has. Plus, playing snow lands lets you play some Frostwalk Bastion as a budget Mutavault ; manlands are relatively important in 8-Rack to help increase the clock and Bastion can even buy you an extra turn when it blocks.

Next: 8-Rack's goal is to get each player to topdeck mode as fast as possible, and while Necrogen Mists is a really good value card, its higher cmc means it doesn't get them to start topdecking as fast as a normal discard spell does and it literally does nothing to the opponent once you get into topdeck mode. Liliana's Caress is in the same boat since it doesn't make them discard.

I recommend cutting the Necrogen Mists and the Liliana's Caress es to play 4 Blackmail , 2 Funeral Charm , and 2 Stupor . Funeral Charm can make them discard cards as well as remove early game creatures while Blackmail and Stupor are both decent discard spells. They are less expensive than Necro Mists/Lili's Caress, too.

Hybrow on The Vorpal Blade went Snicker-Snack - Anje Madness

1 month ago

Hello Massacar,

Thanks for the view. I dont really want to cut the opponent discard stuff, I have been building this toward that theme.. I run The Eldest Reborn, Necrogen Mists , Creeping Dread , Syphon Mind , The Haunt of Hightower , Anvil of Bogardan , and Geier Reach Sanitarium in an effort to support opponents discarding. If you have suggestions along these lines, i would love them.

Thanks for the note about Murderous Compulsion , dont know how that happened, has been fixed.

I noticed your deck runs Worldgorger Dragon along with the 5-6 reanimates and spells to support it. I have purposely not run this combo as my playgroup doesnt play infinite combos. Because I am not going to using madness to dig for combo pieces, I have removed a lot of the more sad madness cards like Weirded Vampire .

As for the zombie generation and grave recursion stuff, I already have a zombies deck that I enjoy playing, so didnt want to build to that theme. I was kinda disappointed when WotC decided to go that direction with the madness out of box.

Thanks again. I like Elixir of Immortality in your deck. may have to find a place for it in here.

Alexev on Discard for Datcard

1 month ago

Why not Necrogen Mists and similar cheap enchants?

SideBae on Sacrifice the Weak [[Primer]]

1 month ago

Couple thoughts:

• Whisper, Blood Liturgist 's ability is instant-speed. This means that even the shuffle-eldrazi can be reanimated with her ability. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre are both valid reanimation targets. Unfortunately, because reanimation does not trigger the cast triggers, you may just want to run Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre rather than both... being indestructible is helpful, and annihilator 4 is a big deal.

• Two-mana mana-rocks let you cast your general turn three. Consider Jet Medallion , Charcoal Diamond , Mind Stone , Coldsteel Heart , Thought Vessel , Prismatic Lens , etc.

• Your lands have room for improvement. Hall of the Bandit Lord lets you activate your general the turn she comes down. Ancient Tomb will allow you to land a two-mana rock turn one and conceivably land your general turn two. In my experience, Crypt of Agadeem is worse than a normal Snow-Covered Swamp , as entering tapped is tough and the mana-advantage is often times going to be marginal.

• Token generators are a good way to find bodies both to sac and to chump block with. I notice you're not running Bitterblossom or Breeding Pit ... you may want to experiment with them. Additionally, Call the Bloodline can generate tokens and discard reanimation targets.

• Grim Haruspex , Liliana, Dreadhorde General , Harvester of Souls and Midnight Reaper are all good ways to build card-advantage from your creature sacrifices.

• Entomb ?

• Lightning Greaves seems like it'd be awesome here. First, it gives Whisper haste for free, as its equip cost is zero. Then it gives whatever you reanimated haste. Swiftfoot Boots is similar, but costing one to equip makes it slightly worse.

• Whip of Erebos is an interesting idea for a secondary reanimation-enabler. It doesn't matter if your general is out, and it allows you to smack face with haste.

• Depending on your preferred level of sadism, Mindslicer may be worth including. Sac-ing him and something else to reanimate a fatty makes everyone discard everything, so it's a sort of built-in protection. It's also pretty good at deterring attackers.

• Once you have a token-generator/sac-enabler and Whisper down, Winter Orb seems like a good way to hold on to an advantage.

• If you want to blow ninety bucks, Liliana of the Veil is exactly what you want here. Her +1 discards a reanimation target, and keeping pressure on opponents' hands is a good thing to do. Also, her edict effect and ult are not insignificant at all. Similarly, Necrogen Mists provides a discard outlet and hand-pressure.

• Grave Titan is a great reanimation target, and costing six mana means you can conceivably hard-cast it. Kokusho, the Evening Star seems good to reanimate, sac, and then repeat. Massacre Wurm is similar.

That's all I got. Good luck!

SideBae on Edgar Markov and his Jacked Up Family

2 months ago

Ok. So, here're my suggestions; feel free to ignore any or all of them, if you so choose:

CARD DRAW/SELECTION: This is a big part of EDH.

• Twilight Prophet : This is similar to Dark Confidant , though better with your curve. It's also a vampire, so... yeah.

• Painful Truths : I've been very impressed with this card in my Tasigur, the Golden Fang deck. It's a great three-mana draw-three.

• Night's Whisper : Similar to Painful Truths .

• Phyrexian Arena : This is similar to Twilight Prophet , but slightly cheaper and harder to remove.

• Faithless Looting : This is a powerhouse in Modern, and it's pretty good in EDH too. It makes a lot of one-land sevens or land-heavy sevens into keepable opening hands.

• Sorin, Grim Nemesis : He's good.

• Champion of Dusk : This card can easily be a mass-draw spell, depending on your board, and his body isn't insignificant.

• Throne of the High City : Using the monarch mechanic in an aggro deck is pretty good. Since you're running Anowon, the Ruin Sage , you don't want to run any of the monarch-making creatures, as none of them are vampires. Marchesa's Decree is also worth considering.

TUTORS: These will make your deck more consistent.

• Gamble : A lot of people call this the red Entomb , but it's great if you have four or more cards in hand.

• Demonic Tutor / Vampiric Tutor : These are the gold-standard for tutors, but they're rather expensive and therefore hard to get.

• Mastermind's Acquisition / Diabolic Tutor : These are good subs for Demonic Tutor .

RAMP: I think you're running too many lands for an aggro deck; also, your ramp package has room for improvement. Replacing a few lands with rocks and potentially some more creatures can make the deck a lot better.

• Talisman of Conviction / Talisman of Hierarchy / Talisman of Indulgence : These are better signets. You probably want to keep at least two signets in with these two, at least.

• Mana Crypt / Mox Diamond / Mana Vault / Grim Monolith : These cards are expensive AF, but good. If you can use them, you should.

• Ancient Tomb : This is a great piece of land-ramp and can land a signet or talisman on turn one.

REMOVAL: You have a lot of good removal spells, mainly because a lot of your removal is more than a one-for-one (see Fell the Mighty , Crackling Doom and Return to Dust ). In a format with three opponents, you typically want to be doing more than trading one-for-ones, a notable exception being Swords to Plowshares , which is an absurdly powerful card. I suggest running some of the following:

• Fire Covenant : This is EXCELLENT spot removal, as it differentially kills what you need to kill.

• Wear / Tear : Usually a two-for-one. Any red-white deck in EDH should run this.

• Toxic Deluge : This is a great board-wipe, especially for decks with a lot of counters that get your own creatures' toughnesses up. As an added bonus, you can cast it while Gaddock Teeg is down.

• Pestilence / Pyrohemia : These are sorta like permanent-based Toxic Deluge s.

• Reckless Spite : Costing five life isn't a big deal, especially if you have life-linking vampires.

• Liliana's Triumph / Innocent Blood : If you have a token on the field, Innocent Blood is pure profit. Liliana's Triumph is just regular profit.

• Despark : I know I just said one-for-one's aren't typically good, but I've been very impressed with this one. At instant-speed, it's a powerful effect. Worth considering.

• Grasp of Fate / Oblivion Ring : I'd take one of these over Luminous Bonds any day.

MANA BASE: Untapped lands are the best lands, but once you hit three colors, it can be tough to make your mana work while coming in untapped. Consider the following:

• Mana Confluence / City of Brass : Worth running in any deck over two colors.

• Blood Crypt / Godless Shrine / Sacred Foundry : Due to the recent reprints, these are unusually cheap right now. I suggest running them if possible.

• Prismatic Vista : It's a better Evolving Wilds , though it is around $20 these days.

• Battlefield Forge / Sulfurous Springs / Caves of Koilos : These ETB untapped and only hurt if you need the colors.

• Sunbaked Canyon / Silent Clearing : A little on the pricy side, but these ETB untapped and can cycle if you're flooded.

• Unclaimed Territory / Cavern of Souls : These are chromatic for your vampires, and Cavern of Souls can hose pesky blue decks.

• Dragonskull Summit / Isolated Chapel / Clifftop Retreat : These'll almost always ETB untapped, if you craft your landbase right and play carefully.

CREATURES: There're some creatures I think you should upgrade from the Maybeboard:

• Drana, Liberator of Malakir : This puts down a hell of a clock. I think she's better than Deathless Ancient .

• Bloodline Keeper  ^Flip: This is a GREAT card. I think it should replace Paladin of the Bloodstained .

• Cordial Vampire : This is probably a good bit better than Legion Lieutenant .

MISCELLANEOUS: There're some other cards you might like. Consider the following:

• Shared Animosity : One time, many moons ago, I built a modern goblins deck with this. It was alright/terrible in Modern, but in a relatively slow-moving format like EDH it can be a real powerhouse.

• Smallpox / Pox : Smallpox is easily one of my favorite cards in EDH, and may be good with your high land count, even if you choose to cut three or four lands. It'll depend on your meta and your final deck list. It could be awful, but it could be good. Pox is much more likely to be terrible, but is worth having on your radar.

• Suppression Field : You're running very few planeswalkers, fetches, and with a little crafting, you can have very few creatures and/or artifacts with activated abilities. In my meta, this card is absurd. Especially against me.

• Price of Glory : This discourages instant-speed interaction. In a deck like this, it's very likely to hose blue-players without really touching you.

• Necrogen Mists : This is a good way to limit your opponents' ability to oppose you, especially if you choose to run Falkenrath Gorger off your Maybeboard.

• Armageddon : Speaking of limiting your opponents' ability to stop you... Just make sure you cast it while you're ahead. Decree of Annihilation is good for this at instant-speed.

• Stranglehold : Everyone searches. Make 'em stop.

• Aura of Silence : This is good in most metas. The tax effect is brutal, and the sacrifice has the ability to break a combo in a pinch.

• Rule of Law : This'll hose pretty much any combo deck. I hate playing against this card. (I play Storm.)

• Authority of the Consuls : This is a good way to make sure opponents can't poop out blockers too quick.