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|Masterpiece Series: Amonkhet Invocations (AKHMPS)||Common|
|Commander's Arsenal (CMA)||Uncommon|
|Masters Edition III (ME3)||Uncommon|
|Portal Three Kingdoms (PTK)||Uncommon|
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Creature — Human Advisor
Sacrifice Loyal Retainers: Return target legendary creature card from your graveyard to play. Play this ability only during your turn, before the combat phase.
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Loyal Retainers Discussion
3 weeks ago
You can probably leave them out completely. I'm missing Elvish Mystic in my list, so you could add that one instead. Just note that LED opens up a lot of mana efficient options for Razaketh. Without LED you can still play him but he's going to be a lot weaker especially in situations when you are short on mana and creatures...I would exchange Razaketh with Jin-Gitaxias then. Loyal Retainers also isn't that important if Razaketh isn't that strong anymore, so you could cut them too.
1 month ago
Get Muldrotha, the Gravetide in play, you can do this by just casting her with a Grand Abolisher the turn before that or Dread Return her instead of the angel we were used to reanimating after a Hermit Druid activation...
You cast Lion's Eye Diamond and crack it for
You cast Phantasmal Image from the grave (after hermit) cloning Muldrotha, the Gravetide, and letting the original Muldrotha, the Gravetide die (adding a new reset on castable stuff in your graveyard...)
You cast Lion's Eye Diamond again and crack it for
Repeat 1-5 for infinite &
Now you can start to crack Lion's Eye Diamond for other colors on steps 2 or 4(if your reanimation spell was cmc2), you simply filter half of what we made into the other colors (billions of & mana anyway)
With our , , , we can now use her to bring back other permanents and win of lab man in a similar way as before but
You can now cast any non-creatures off the original
you can now cast any non-enchantments off the clone
This means we can get any of the previous win cons back and play any permanent in our graveyard.
But I feel like I am missing something :s, I mean you can't get to any instants and sorceries with MUL right unless you EWIT once? and if you really needed the protection to get grand abolisher I feel like you will be stopped before that happens anyway no?
2 months ago
Hey Nova6 ,
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger sure does explode fast but my deck is not built that way and greedy plays like that could be responded to with the likes of swords and paths... Not that it is wrong to play him not at all!! If it works in your meta and people can't play around it then I would abuse it as long as you could. although I feel like Natural Order is a bit costly as a non-creature spell yet you can definitely get it off under sphere effects with all the ramp this deck runs.
You could also use Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger with Loyal Retainers of course but I feel like a Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is way more impactfull early on if used that way (Elesh is in her for other reasons as well so she is irreplaceable for me)
By all means, no deck is completed a 100% and if you feel like Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger does the trick for you then go for it!!!
I will take note of this because it is interesting for 2headed giant partners that can run this badboy!
3 months ago
BringerOfStorms, Shriekmaw is a card that I've been debating about ever since I built the deck. I always favor multi target stuff, but Shriekmaw is just SO cheap it's hard to say no. There have definitely been times that it could have saved me, but I just don't know what I would take out for it, especially since I already have a couple of great cards lined up to add, like Loyal Retainers.
I'd love to try it out. Any thoughts on what it could replace?
3 months ago
thanks for the comment & suggestions! I think I will add Seraph Sanctuary, but avoid using Cavern of Souls. You couldn't know that but this is a deck I will by in paper when I think it's done. I know some of the other cards are not quite budget either but I tried to avoid very expensive ones I don't already have or cards that are expensive & good but don't necessarily fit the deck like i.e. Loyal Retainers (without Avacyn I only play 6 legendaries). I know Cavern would be decent. Maybe I'll buy one someday. Kind of the same goes for Scroll Rack but you're right: it combos well with all the potential lands in hand. Sac-outlet is also a good idea. Although I'm not sure about how necessary it'll be: with 10 mass removals getting things in the GY along the way I think should not be problematic but I'll find out while playing. Since going infinite with Ashnod's Altar or win with Altar of Dementia is not something I wanna do I'm considering Carnage Altar or Culling Dais or Trading Post for more card draw. Holy Moly! I didn't even know about the synergy between Snow-Covered Plains and Extraplanar Lens! Thanks! I didn't want to play Extraplanar Lens but this completely neutralizes the downside. Since Snow-Covered Plains is still "Plains" I can still search it up with Tithe or Endless Horizons or Land Tax & Emeria, The Sky Ruin right? That's decent! Is there any reason to not go all snow lands then?Any idea what to cut for Scroll Rack, Lense & sac-outlet?
Best wishes Ryko
4 months ago
Swift2210 I tested all the cards listed above.Mystic Remora is good against storm or control. I fired her, after as I did not pick up a single card for three turns xxxx games.Tezzeret the Seeker it does not harmonize with Gaddock Teeg and have only one target Winter Orb ? (other targets for 5cmc they are stupid to me)I tested Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur combo with Loyal Retainers, Fauna Shaman, Survival of the Fittest they are not worth playing.Rhystic Study maybe someday it will come back to her
The game plan is a quick assumption prison lock, not extending the game with the opponent, especially when we play arch enemy
5 months ago
@meowndabout Nice questions! Glad to help with this. I changed the write up slightly, to include a sample blue print for playing the deck. That answers some of your questions, other ones are below.
Fauna Shaman - usually you discard extra mana elves (which aren't that great in the mid-game) to get actual stax pieces or utility creatures. But, also, you can just discard anything. It turns each creature into a Worldly Tutor + free card draw.
Loyal Retainers - this is actually best with Iona, Shield of Emeria, which is decent to run if your meta has some mono-colored decks. However, it's worth leaving in the deck even without Iona, just to get back anything that happens to get killed. It's pretty good reanimation, just by itself.
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale - Actually, Magus of the Tabernacle is a pretty good replacement. Tabernacle is here mostly to combat other decks that rely on creatures and mana elves (like us), but have a harder time tutoring for Gaea's Cradle. To perform this function, another answer is Defense of the Heart. Magus might be better since it's a creature and slides under your Thorn of Amethyst effects.
Nullstone Gargoyle - this is a new card I'm testing. It's easily hard-castable with Gaea's Cradle and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. And it's a pretty strong lock with Eidolon of Rhetoric. Yes, if I could get this lock together, I'd just cast creature after that.
Recruiter of the Guard - you just get whatever you need for the situation you're in. Get whatever stops your opponents the hardest. You have to know how your opponent's strategies work.
Sanctum Prelate - pretty much always names 2 or 3. These stop boardwipes that sneak under Gaddock Teeg; on three you stop: Toxic Deluge and Fire Covenant; on two you stop Cyclonic Rift and Pyroclasm. I usually pick either 2 or 3 based on which board wipe I'm more afraid of at the moment; but in either case you end up shutting off large parts of your opponents' decks.
Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - this is becoming less important in this list; however I think it's still probably good enough to run. Yeah, you just get whatever is most helpful. You can either get Quirion Ranger on 1 to activate Yisan or Sisay twice per turn, or you get Sylvan Safekeeper to guard Sisay against spot removal. After that, you know, get whatever you need.
Crop Rotation - there's a lot of strong lands in the list. Strip Mine and Horizon Canopy are very good with Ramunap Excavator. You can also get Tabernacle. You can get one of the ramp-lands like Gaea's Cradle, nykthos, or Ancient Tomb. If possible, you should always sacrifice a Flagstones of Trokair.
Creature tutors - You get whatever you really need top stop what your opponents are doing. These tutors let you get non-legendary creatures tho, so sometimes you can get Sanctum Prelate or Eidolon of Rhetoric or Spirit of the Labyrinth if one of those seems really appropriate, or you're in a winning position already, you can go for the kill with Shaman of the Forgotten Way or a lock with Nullstone Gargoyle.
Enlightened Tutor - yes, frequently the most powerful thing to get with this is Living Plane, although there's a lot of great artifact/enchantment stax pieces you may want, particularly Rest in Peace, Null Rod or Sphere of Resistance. It can get ramp in Mana Crypt or Carpet of Flowers. It can also get Lightning Greaves which can be great for Sisay. This card is awesome in this list.
Gemstone Caverns, Chrome Mox - these are ramp, which is totally critical. You just exile whatever you don't need. Try to prioritize playing a turn 1 or 2 stax piece with these ramp cards. Also think about when you will play Sisay. If you have these ramp cards, try to set up a sequence where you play a stax card turn 1, a mana creature turn 2, and SIsay turn 3.
Null Rod, Stony Silence - these only shut off our artifact ramp, not our creature ramp. Only play them if they're going to hurt your opponents more than they hurt you. But the deck is pretty much designed so that it's usually pretty asymmetric, although certain hands and board states can make it more nuanced.
You can totally run snow lands if you want to.
Solemnity - this doesn't do anything...
Ashes of the Abhorrent - This can work if your meta has a lot of reanimation or storm...
5 months ago
mmcgeach Back with more questions :)
Fauna Shaman - what are you discarding to this?
Nullstone Gargoyle - are you hardcasting this? at this point are you not casting noncreature spells?
Recruiter of the Guard - what would you tend to look for?
Sanctum Prelate - what number would you tend to choose?
Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - it doesn't matter what you get each time you search?
Crop Rotation - what land would you sac and in turn, search for?
Gemstone Caverns - this seems really risky - what would you toss to play this with a luck counter?
Chrome Mox - what would you imprint under this?
Carpet of Flowers - if my meta didn't have a lot of blue (yes, i know), what would you put in this spot?
OTHER CARDS TO USE?