Keldon Firebombers

Creature — Human Soldier

When Keldon Firebombers enters the battlefield, each player sacrifices all lands he or she controls except for three.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Premodern	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (51)

MeneerDutchy on Henzie “The Toolman” Taylor ETB

8 months ago

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Steven89 on Sneaky Purphy B. [Primer I guess]

1 year ago

Hi Hercules23 :)

thanks for your input. I also had Feldon as the commander before Purphoros and I completely agree with you. The same goes for your description about red and MLD (I also have a Ruric Thar whose strategy is exactly what you described, by breaking parity with MLD). This is why I never considered including MLD in Purphy B.

Regarding the MDFC Lands, this deck generally cannot play upfront (it happened like two times for me) so having lands enter the battlefield tapped when you need them untapped is less punishing for this deck (unlike for a combo deck or interaction heavy decks, those decks really need untapped lands) However, I agree that the cost of them coming into play tapped is meta dependant. I wouldnt want to play those cards if my meta is highly tuned and the games are over at turn 6 in average. In my meta, the games take a bit longer and having them come into play tapped is rarely a downside because of the philosophy of this deck/my playstyle: I either am not being attacked by my opponents because I often have open mana (I might have a fatty to cheat into play to block their haymakers/valuable creatures) or I am just not threatening (either because I dont even have Purphy B. out or no real hand to deliver fatal damage). In all those cases, drawing a MDFC land from the top with no other lands in hand in a situation in which I really need a untapped land is rarely a real downside because of the reasons stated above. This might seem not convincing, but I played and still play this deck a ton and have >50 games with the MDFC lands included and it happened only once or twice where it really hurt. There were far more games in which these niche "extra" spells performed extremely good, especially Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip. Spikefield Hazard  ^Flip also plays better than it looks, there are many value creatures with toughness 1 and Spikefield Hazard also prevents reanimation shenanigans and graveyard based combos which your opponents never expect from a mono red deck with only one mountain untapped. I can totally see your point though and understand you having doubts about those inclusions. I can just say: You should really give them a try :)

Keldon Firebombers You are totally right, the wheel argument I made is a weak one, I tried to justify my cut :D But still, I had to cut something. This list is so tight... It seems rather easy to cut other stuff like Bolt or Abrade but this would be the wrong way.

Ryusei, the Falling Star the "without flying" part is a real downside, at least in my meta. I'd rather have unconditional mass damage like in Crater Hellion and for most creatures 4 damage is enough :)

Spinerock Knoll Damn, that one totally flew under my radar, thanks for pointing that out!

Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion Yeah I was thinking about this one before. You are completely right, it cycles through my hand and even better: It costs 4 mana and can be thus played before Purphy B. which is a huge advantage: Many of the value creatures like Neheb, the Eternal or Terror of the Peaks cost 5 cmc which makes it wierd and not optimal since Purphy B. need to be played asap. I haven't found a cut for this Neheb, as I'd rather have a wheel effect. The wheel costs less mana and gives me unconditionally a new hand whereas this Neheb needs to connect. Also, you can never generate card advantage with this card. The "downside" of a wheel though (my opponents get a new hand) can be neglected as I am usually the person with the emptiest hand and thus gain the most value of a wheel. If I weren't playing all those wheel effects I would totally play this card :)

Extra Combat cards: Yeah, they are soooo good and you are again right^^ I am honest, so far I have 2 extra combat step cards in my list Scourge of the Throne and Moraug, Fury of Akoum and I haven't felt the need for more extra combat step cards. I guess I could include one more card. If you include to many of those extra combat step cards, you will reach a treshold at which they become less effective since you have less "beef" that benefit from those extra step cards. This is also why I decided against both the cards you mentioned in favor for the scourge and Moraug: They are themselves big beaters and can deal insane amount of damage without the help of other beaters. Moraug alone won me games (I had devotion of 5, so that Purphy B. was able to attack and I had 2 fetch lands available). Also, winning with Purphy B. mostly boils down to one explosive combat step. Combant Celebrant with "only" one extra combat step is certainly worse. Port Razer has the potential to have more than one extra combat step, but he needs to connect which is not guaranteed at all. Granted, Scourge also provides only one extra combat step, but, as I said, this guy is beefy on its own, and a dragon for Dragon's Hoard .

Everflowing Chalice I missed that one :) thanks

Regarding MLD: I completely agree with everything you said (it really is silly for green mages to complain while they stomp faces with 20 mana on turn 6) except for one thing: You won't win a game "fast" with 3 mana left and Purphy B. out after setting everything back with MLD or resource denial. You beat face for one time and then your creature dies. You might have Mimic Vat or Sundial of the Infinite or any other recursion but half of the MLD cards also destroy artifacts. You also need to get back to 3 mana after MLD cards like Jokulhaups / Obliterate which will be troublesome as those cards cost 6-7 mana, so you probably already played most if not all of your lands and rocks. If you reach that game state in which you have 6-7 mana available your hand is most likely rather empty, so you most likely wont have enough beater to deal with the whole table. "Not having enough beater to deal with the whole table" is exactly why you usually cannot play upfront with this commander. This is why you actually need your opponents to deal damage among them, so you can close out the game in an explosive turn with your limited beef (see philosophy, and yes, this is why this deck usually sucks hard if only combo and blue mages are on the table). MLD and also stuff like Smoke / Mudslide actually prevents exactly that: Since you are denying your opponents resources, they will stay at high life points which means that your average beater (that was cheated into play and dies after one turn) is just not enough. You'd rather want to hardcast them in this state of the game which is impossible though because of MLD. My point is: I do not thinkg that having an indestructible commander is a reason enough for playing MLD. You would need card- and mana-generating permanents like Chandra, Torch of Defiance or Outpost Siege that won't get destroyed by MLD.

Treasonous Ogre and Alena: I dont really see the need of having big mana in this deck. It is counterintuitive as this deck is all about circumventing the big mana costs with the ability of Purphy B. Maybe you can convince me otherwise :)? I could see those cards worth running, if your meta adapted to your commander by always saving the removal card for him. This is actually the biggest weakness of this deck. Handling Purphy B. once is devastating as 7 cmc is not always in reach.

Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx True, no real downside, but the devotion of this deck is usually quite low as there is almost no board presence except for the turns in which you attack. It might be advantageous in exactly those moments to have 2-3 more mana available during that turn, maybe just enough to cheat an additional creature into play. Just be careful not to include too many of colorless lands :)

Hercules23 on Sneaky Purphy B. [Primer I guess]

1 year ago

Great deck. Definitely plan on trying it out. I've got a Feldon deck that I built using the Daretti Precon as a base. While Feldon is an awesome commander, I also agree that you really need haste to be effective with him. Purphoros serving as sneak attack in the command zone is really nice. I actually like land destruction and resource denial in MonoR when the commander supports it, as gives you a clear resource advantage and helps you close out games quickly. I feel like its important to utilize MLD in the right context though. The bad experiences playgroups have with the MLD player is when they wipe all the lands with no wincon or way to break parity, forcing the game to essentially restart and take double the time. I believe that reds lack of ramp can be counteracted by its ability to target opponents manabases, and its silly for others to complain about this when green players and landfall strategies are so common at producing absurd amounts of lands very quickly. Purphoros really shines with MLD because he can survive with indestructible and you only need 3 mana online to start beating face. Thats probably solid enough parity to go on the front foot and win. Some of the MDFC Lands ( Song-Mad Treachery  ^Flip, Spikefield Hazard  ^Flip, and Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip seem quite mediocre. I'm not sure if the ability on the frontside is even worth the cost of them coming in tapped and slowing things down. Cards I want to try so far are listed below, I wonder what your thoughts on them are?

Keldon Firebombers - You already mentioned this one, 3 lands makes it seem like its made for Purphoros. Even if the opponents get a new hand with lands from a wheel, the likelihood of them being about to ramp out multiple lands in the mid-late game is lower.

Ryusei, the Falling Star - Free boardwipe when we let it die to Purph's effect

Spinerock Knoll - Seems extremely easy to play the exiled card for free with the amount of damage we can do

Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion - Helps cycle through the deck and get more mana

Port Razer / Combat Celebrant - Insane amount of combat steps. Additional combat steps always do more damage over double strike or big beaters.

Everflowing Chalice - artifact recycling and scales well with more mana if needed

Smoke / Mudslide - We dont care about untapping with Purphs effect, plus it helps us survive with an empty board longer

Jokulhaups / Bust / Obliterate / Epicenter - Different mana costs but same idea, deny resources.

Treasonous Ogre / Alena, Kessig Trapper - Big Mana

Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - No real downside

M4dGun on Feldon

2 years ago

Hi. Fellow feldon player here, just thought id share some feldon targets you might want to try out: Keldon Firebombers , Drakuseth, Maw of Flames , Ancient Stone Idol , Meteor Golem , Bogardan Hellkite , Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion , Breaker of Armies , Hellkite Tyrant , Mindclaw Shaman

also just for the memes im running an Akroan Horse but if you find it funny knock yourself out.

_Arra_ on [[Primer v3.6]] - OM_RATH!!! (2021 Update!!!)

2 years ago

Hey BenWin, thanks for the shout out. As you wrote a long post I thought it fair I do the same in reply.

I want to respond to your comment as I think there is a lot you are overlooking in your analysis, most of which is on point. However, you mentioned a few cards now a couple of times so I want to break these down a bit as you have gone to the effort to write an extensive comment.

1. Firstly I'd like to address your comment on Burgeoning + Ghost Town which you've shown your self to be an big advocate of. These are great cards and on paper seem to be great additions to the deck as they appear to enable one of our main objectives which is landfall triggers. However, the reason I think these cards have fallen out of favour is because they're very situational. Let me expand on that. If you do not have an opening hand with Burgeoning and a number of lands and a way to refill your hand (a very specific situation) the card is lackluster. Yes it is great if our opponents are constantly playing lands and we have Ghost Town and Burgeoning but this is honestly rarely the case. They are a weak draw 90% of the time. Even with Burgeoning in our opening hand as we do not have built in card draw we stall. Even with the increased draw effects provided by Zendikar Rising I do not think it is worth the spots.

2. Calling the removal of Perilous Forays crazy talk seems strange to me. The CMC of this card is 5, ideally we want to wait until Omnath, Locus of Rage is out before we play it so dodge removal. Even more ideally we want Amulet of Vigor in hand/on the battlefield too. My second gripe with the card is that once we have ramped a couple of times, played land each turn and then got into a position to 'combo off' with Perilous Forays most of the time the number of basics in our deck barely makes it worth while as it effectively switches off all our remaining ramp spells. There have been so many times I have 'gone off' with Perilous Forays and not killed a single opponent and left myself in a worse position. In my experience as this deck has evolved, and I have actually been playing it weekly since BFZ launch this card no longer packs the punch it once did.

3. I agree with you on Force of Vigor, this deck is extremely lean on interaction and removal as it is. This card is too strong to exclude.

4. Regarding Ancient Greenwarden and Doubling Season being enablers for 'overrun' type strategy I can't disagree with you more on this. We want to make 5/5 tokens on mass as we want to either trigger Warstorm Surge, Terror of the Peaks or Where Ancients Tread and/or we want to sac then to Omnath, Locus of Rage to bolt our opponents to death. We need a critical mass of 5/5s so that we can deliver enough damage to face. Mass elemental tokens also gives us sudo protection from board wipes. I know you're playing devils advocate here but no, in my opinion these cards generate huge value for Omnath generally not for a specific strategy.

5. Your comment on Nahiri's Lithoforming I find interesting as this is exactly my point on Perilous Forays and Burgeoning but my opinion is that Nahiri's Lithoforming is a great card almost all the time whereas the other cards I have mentioned are not. This card is gas with Titania, Protector of Argoth on the battlefield, if we have a decent hand already we are 80-90% certain to have lands to replay or draw into a land recursion effect like Crucible of Worlds or Splendid Reclamation. Not as good as Scapeshift obviously but I think you are underestimating the power of the card. Of course, play testing will tell us either way and I'll be interested to see if this card doesn't work out, which is might not, but I think until another land-centric draw card comes out this one is going to do Omnath just fine.

6. I haven't decided whether I am going to play Roiling Regrowth yet but I don't agree with your pros and cons analysis. The assumption that is worse than Springbloom Druid I don't think is accurate. Instant speed is a premium and shouldn't be under valued especially if you're playing with a pod with interaction etc. Getting Omnath triggers at instant speed is great and you can dodge opponents interaction. Your comments on the 4cmc ramp spells, I think these cards are just fine and fair. Not exceptional but not bad, Migration Path with cycling is a nice bonus. If these 4cmc ramp spells were instant, what would you think then?

7. Moraug, Fury of Akoum might just a be great additional line this deck can take. If the board state allows for it Chord of Calling this beast into play on an end step might be game winning. I am really on the fence as I'd really want a haste enabler to really break the card but honestly it might be fine by itself.

8. I ran Tooth and Nail for a long time with various different finishers and yeah it wins but it is not that fun a victory unless you count the time I have Omnath and Titania out and entwined It That Betrays and Keldon Firebombers into play, that was fun! It really depends what you want from Omnath. Omnath isn't my competitive deck. It is my pubstompy deck to pull out when people are bitch about one thing or another. If I want to combo to win I play one of my other decks. Each to their own though. Tooth and Nail wins games its just not for me and Sekki, Seasons' Guide is pretty weak the rest of the times you draw it.

9. I think your comment on non basic land search is spot on, we need more. I just don't think that there is currently any ones good enough for the deck other than Crop Rotation and Scapeshift, we just need to wait for better non basic search to be printed. A 2cmc Crop Rotation would be nice.

10. My issue with Skullclamp and Sensei's Divining Top is that they are not actively winning the game. If I were to include Top in my deck it would more often that not end up being a 2 mana brainstorm as I would likely shuffle it away with a fetch. Green Red doesn't have the draw that other decks have that can really abuse Top, it ends up slowing us down. Skullclamp is great value but I just don't think we'e a Skullclamp deck. I'd rather the slot for something that is enabling a win by synergising with the rest of our deck, Skullclamp doesn't, it is just value. Sure you can play it but it is detracting from what Omnath is trying to do in my opinion. You're also going to get a lot more hurt from Null Rods and Collector Ouphes out there. We have an advantage that a lot of hate doesn't really effect us. Apart from Humility of course which kinda hard counters Omnath most of the time :(

All of this discussion is what makes Omnath such a great general as there are so many viable build options.

Bababad on Story Time in the Bouncalot Fungeon (PRIMER)

2 years ago

mostly just because I wanted more space for options/better midgame topdecks in this case Cultivategot the slot because it fits into spell loops perfectly.

my meta hates on mana rocks hard, so much so that keeping a hand just for Sol Ring can end up biting you. Whereas land acceleration is a touch safer because house rule is no true MLD outside of Sunder, Keldon Firebombers and Woodfall Primus loops because it requires setup.

Sol Ring is still a perfectly fine choice if your friends arent rude:)

Lanzo493 on Feldon: No Budget Couldn't Buy Happiness

2 years ago

I think people are more scared of individual, repeated land destruction (Strip Mine loops) and complete land destruction (Armageddon) than what this deck runs. We don’t destroy everything, just a lot of things.

Blood Moon gets the least hate since it doesn’t affect mana rocks or each persons amount of mana they have available. That’s why I still run it in my current deck.

Keldon Firebombers is a scary card, but it’s not too bad since it’s symmetrical. It’s not hated as much for that reason. People still have mana to work with. But he is mass, repeatable land destruction so he’ll be a high priority target to exile from the graveyard.

Ruination would probably get the most hate since it affect everyone else more than you most of the time. You’ll become the archenemy upon playing it.

I haven’t run land destruction in a while, so I don’t remember how people respond to it. These are my best guesses.

Ender666666 on FELDON EDH PRIMER: FELDON NEEDS SOME LOVE

2 years ago

Keldon Firebombers and Feldon are a beautiful thing. Puts the board on lockdown.