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Creature — Hellion Beast
Echo *(At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.) *
When Crater Hellion enters the battlefield, it deals 4 damage to each other creature.
Crater Hellion Discussion
1 month ago
Permanents that let you pay life for free are allstars in Greven. Fortunately, the ones you don't have are also cheap. Moltensteel Dragon , Souldrinker , Soul Channeling , Unspeakable Symbol are all good.
After dumping up to 16 life into these, you're total might be getting low. That's why lifelink is critical for Greven. You're missing the cheap ones again: Cartouche of Ambition , Vampiric Link , Butcher's Cleaver .
Lastly, to make Greven's menace count, you want to clear at least all but one of each opponent's creatures (without killing Greven). You aren't including Fleshbag Marauder , Plaguecrafter , Merciless Executioner , or Vona's Hunger ; all of which clear one or more creatures from EACH opponent! Not to mention some all-star Greven board wipes like Chandra's Ignition , Ritual of Soot , and Crater Hellion . Spot removal can fill the gaps; pack a few.
A couple other notes. First strike can help Greven win any combat without a scratch, regardless of blockers. Double strike is obviously better. Card draw is better on permanents: Greed and Arguel's Blood Fast Flip are good, so is erebos. Chainer, Dementia Master lets you lose life to reanimate, so does Phyrexian Delver (reanimate on a stick).
I'd add one land and some usefull bigger creatures. Get some five and six toughnesses in there and you can put Greven on the two-hit clock without a lifesink. The goal is to lose life after all.
I like where you're going with this thing. Hopefully I've shown you some cards you missed!
7 months ago
Maybe add Journey to Eternity Flip for some additional boardwipe protection? It will save a key creature so you don't have an empty board and then flip and let you start putting your creatures directly into play. Its a bit of a slow recovery but you are packing a lot of big beaters here so each one has a lot of impact.
And for some additional removal; Manglehorn kills artifacts and slows down opponents' use of mana rocks they bring in later, Reclamation Sage is almost as versatile as the Slime, and Crater Hellion is a [limited] creature boardwipe in red. And considering the avg power of your creatures, Sarkhan's Unsealing could be a kind of machine gun for you.
Something like Sidisi, Undead Vizier would be a good include to fetch the Surge. Sadly this has gotten much more expensive in the last couple of years.
Overall though, this deck has a pretty brutal mana curve. I don't know that I've seen a deck with an avg CMC of 5+ and to support Primal Surge you're not running some of green's best ramp spells so I would expect it to be a bit slow in building. I think you might need to trim some of the real expensive creatures for things like Beast Whisperer , Greater Good , Guardian Project and Soul of the Harvest for some additional card draw as well. Just with your basics alone I'd also make 2 swamps and 1 mountain into forests as you have a lot of green in your casting costs and not enough sources to support it.
8 months ago
8 months ago
1 year ago
Hi! I think the following gods could help you (they are creatures when you cast them, so no taking damage from your commander): Rhonas the Indomitable, Purphoros, God of the Forge, Nylea, God of the Hunt, Xenagos, God of Revels
And maybe a semi boardwipe could help - Crater Hellion
A haste enabler - Cyclops of Eternal Fury
Bloodbraid Elf for a free creature.
And I agree to the first comment, Bane of Progress should really be included.
1 year ago
ScrOuch Thanks for leaving some feedback for me!
Good call on the Phyrexian Delver it's been really strong.
Body Snatcher isn't a great flicker target, though if i run more sac outlets it might be better.
Dictate of Erebos isn't quite budget enough for me, I really like that the entire deck is under $50. This way when folks see it play out i can tell them the idea and that the deck could be upgraded as well
Outpost Siege is right on theme though i'm not sure what to cut for it
Blood Artist doesn't trigger on flickers, but it is a good card and in multiplayer games creatures die and i'll get value. I think I want to commit to the theme of flicker over good stuff additions right now though
Goblin Bombardment and Ashnod's Altar are good though i'm not to sure they will be strong enough if i don't add the dictate. Also the commander isn't the focus of the deck so adding things just for him seems loose IMO
LVL_666 Thanks for all your suggestions! Lets dive in,
Rune-Scarred Demon is out of budget range. It's not that I don't have it, I do, I just want to run the entire deck under $50. So that means missing out on Dictate of Erebos and the demon but adding Dreamscape Artist and Sire of Stagnation
Noxious Gearhulk I think i want to add, even with the price tag$. All my creature kill now can't kill black creatures and I kinda want more life gain and this card works on both levels. What's better though, Noxious Gearhulk or Inferno Titan???
Vial Smasher the Fierce dosen't fit the theme and is almost a good stuff addition, so I'll pass for now.
Crater Hellion, Ratchet Bomb and Sever the Bloodline are sweet anti token measures, here is what i was thinking Devastation Tide. It deals with the tokens, enchantments, planswalkers, and other unbeatable positions I could find myself in. What do you think?
quitrage Thanks for the bringing some sweet ideas to the table
Dance of the Dead I want to add, though i'm not sure i can think of the cut for it, any thoughts?
1 year ago
"If you have a good ETB creature or a clever way of dealing with tokens I'd love to hear it. Thanks!"
Here are some creatures that came to mind that have clever ETB triggers. They may not exactly be within your budget, but can be good to keep in mind if they come up for a trade:
Rune-Scarred Demon - can provide all your tutoring needs for each flicker
Noxious Gearhulk - can be removal on a stick as long as you flicker him
Vial Smasher the Fierce - as you cast spells he can passively smack someone in the face. I'll admit I have a bias when it comes to this little guy though, as I run him in one of my own decks. But he's fun none the less.
So when it comes to dealing with tokens, the first idea I had was Engineered Explosives for 0. That is a tailor made approach right there. But is rather pricey. So the following are other possibilities within your budget:
Crater Hellion - within your theme of ETB creatures, and kills all tokens toughness 4 or lower.
Ratchet Bomb - within budget, and can kill all tokens when you don't tap it to add counters.
Sever the Bloodline - potentially reusable within your deck, as it has good sorcery and instant recursion.
Hope these suggestions help. Also, very cool concept for a deck. So it gets a +1 from me.
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