Liesa, Forgotten Archangel
Legendary Creature — Angel
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies (is put into the graveyard from the battlefield), return that card to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
|Have (4)||CompleteWaste , orzhov_is_relatively_okay819 , Mythbuster_42 , gildan_bladeborn|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Liesa, Forgotten Archangel Discussion
1 week ago
i would just add cards like Dictate of Erebos to the current suggestions to take advantage of Liesa, Forgotten Archangel secondary ability forcing opponents to exile creatures when you sacrifice Shadowborn Apostles.
3 weeks ago
This is a very nice Kaalia of the Vast build. Quite possibly one of the best I've seen on the site actually. Well done. I notice quite a few similarities with my own build Fear, Faith, and Fury. I think the only difference really being mine is possibly a bit more defensive while yours is a bit more offensive.
I played a game last night where I was able to steal an opponents Bolas's Citadel with my Hellkite Tyrant and then proceeded to win the game with it because I already had my own Necropotence in play. Great combo those two. Now begins the painstaking process of deciding what to cut from my list to add a Bolas's Citadel.
A couple cards you're running I've been wanting to playtest myself (Liesa, Forgotten Archangel / Lyra Dawnbringer / Sower of Discord / Utvara Hellkite) how's your experience been with these? Have you found them to be worth a slot in the deck?
Now some recommendations if I may... you seem to be running quite a few cards that will protect Kaalia of the Vast, but one vital one your missing is Robe of Stars. This is essentially a repeatable Teferi's Protection specially for your commander, and with the amount of ramp cards you have, shouldn't ever be an issue to activate. Seems like you may be somewhat lacking in card draw (personal preference probably, I tend to run more than most ppl), but some additions you might like Harvester of Souls / Indulgent Tormentor / Syphon Mind / The Immortal Sun. I also noticed in a previous comment you removed some extra combat spells, but some nice extra combat on a stick would come in the form of Scourge of the Throne.
Apologies for the long comment, this is just one of my all time favorite commanders, so I get excited whenever I see another great list. Again, very well done. Cheers
1 month ago
Hey, good first attempt and decent budget version of Kaalia.
You have a few Angels/Demon/Dragons who are impactful when you cheat them onto the battlefield with Kaalia, but many could be improved to get more repeatable effects.
Some budget Angels/Demons/Dragons to consider adding:
- Angel of Despair: destroy any permanent.
- Emeria Shepherd: repeatable reanimate with Plains or recursion of nonland permanents with other lands.
- Liesa, Forgotten Archangel: repeatable recursion of nontoken creatures you control that die and lifelink.
- Sephara, Sky's Blade: protect Kaalia and all other flying creatures you control and lifelink. Pairs well with Aegis Angel to give Sephara indestructible to then have all flying creatures you control have this protection.
- Bloodgift Demon: repeatable draw at your upkeep for the cost of only 1 life.
- Steel Hellkite: repeatable destroy opponents nonland permanents.
On a low budget lands are last to think about, but there's a few more that are $2 or less to consider for some improvements:
- Caves of Koilos
- Path of Ancestry
- Foreboding Ruins
- Furycalm Snarl
- Shineshadow Snarl
- Rogue's Passage
- Tyrite Sanctum
Some changes to consider:
- Angel of Despair --> Black Dragon
- Emeria Shepherd --> Furnace Whelp
- Liesa, Forgotten Archangel --> Serra Angel
- Sephara, Sky's Blade --> Radiant, Serra Archangel
- Bloodgift Demon --> Shieldhide Dragon
- Steel Hellkite --> Sunblade Angel
- Caves of Koilos --> Scoured Barrens
- Path of Ancestry --> Vivid Meadow
- Foreboding Ruins --> Rakdos Carnarium
- Furycalm Snarl --> Wind-Scarred Crag
- Shineshadow Snarl --> Orzhov Basilica
- Rogue's Passage --> Darksteel Citadel
- Tyrite Sanctum --> Unclaimed Territory
If interested I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
May I suggest using Liesa, Forgotten Archangel as your commander. It seems to fit the idea of resiliency your going for (at least creature based)
2 months ago
Tovolar is definitely still alive, but Arlinn really took the wind out of his sails. He's physically and emotionally wounded. He thinks she lied to him even though we know that she found a way to say what he wanted to hear without really lying.
I would love for there to be another story coming up next week but my guess is we still only get five stories. This one ends with the cliffhanger to jump off into the Crimson Vow story. I think Liesa, Forgotten Archangel will get revived and bring the day/night balance back with her.
I don't think it would actually happen, but it would be funny if the moonsilver key has another use in something to do with how to lock things away in moonsilver. What if Sorin used it in his process to create the Helvault and he's now destined to be sealed away in a chunk of silver instead of a wall? It's a dumb conspiracy theory, but I'll leave it here for someone to chew on.
From another angle, I got thinking about the Gatewatch's involvement. Arlinn decided she wanted their help, but this isn't really a crisis in their official* mandate to focus on interplanar or planeswalker threats. It's actually kind of like when Dovin Baan showed up on Ravnica to request their services for security at the Inventors Fair. I know the Gatewatch just want to be helpful where they can, but this really is just a domestic dispute among the denizens of the plane of Innistrad.
*Not actually official.
2 months ago
Weird. I'll re-comment.
I was wondering why not Brutal Cathar Flip over Gelatinous Cube? Also I'd recomment Agadeem's Awakening Flip could swap a swamp out for 2 or something. I find Vanishing Verse really useful main or side boarded, aswell as Divine Smite sideboard for facing black decks. Before Liesa, Forgotten Archangel I used Kaya the Inexorable and I still think shes good. Im running 2 liesa, 1 kaya. I also like to use a Lolth, Spider Queen or two just because she's good. How well does Dungeon Crawler fare? I remember cutting mine for the Yuan-Ti Malison. I'd also recommend maining or siding a couple Soul Shatter.
2 months ago
instead of Gelatinous Cube why not Brutal Cathar Flip ? Also i think Vanishing Verse is really good, atleast a sideboard. I run a similar deck, but include Yuan-Ti Malison mainboard and use Lolth, Spider Queen as well as Kaya the Inexorable who has helps creatures come back like Liesa, Forgotten Archangel. How well does Dungeon Crawler fare? I remember cutting it
2 months ago
darkmus No worries! Having now gotten a couple of additional games under my belt with the deck, I was also going to mention Mazemind Tome. I swapped those in for the Arguel's as well and have been liking them. Can still get the draw off of them which is nice.
I have a set of Liesa, Forgotten Archangel on my desk right now. I think I am also going to try slotting one in to see what happens. I also am not totally sure about how those triggers go, but it does seem to me like it matches the way Bishop is, so I think it would work the same way. Might just be something that makes me actually load up Arena to just see what happens.
Fateful Absence is something I have been thinking about giving a go as well, seems like it would be a decent try at least. I have thrown in a Savai Triome into the deck and often throw a fetch at it at the early turns since it is always tapped, but it allowed me to try Prismatic Ending with a bit more range and that has been doing pretty nicely for me at the moment as well. My local meta only has a couple of decks that things larger than 3 are a problem, at least that I have played against lately.