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Oath of Liliana
When Oath of Liliana enters the battlefield, each opponent sacrifices a creature.
At the beginning of each end step, if a planeswalker entered the battlefield under your control this turn, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield.
Oath of Liliana Discussion
3 weeks ago
The Oaths are good as a budget options with Planeswalkers: Oath of Nissa , Oath of Liliana and Oath of Jace . Oath of Nissa can help to color fix for Planeswalkers, good with a budget Sultai manabase. Grateful Apparition can be another repeatable source of no mana cost proliferate. Pir, Imaginative Rascal is a less expensive price Doubling Season effect.
Pernicious Deed is powerful because it destroys all nonland permanents except Planeswalkers equal or less than the amount of X you pay. Spore Frog can be a repeatable Fog which is good to protect Planeswalkers. Vessel of Nascency is a budget way to repeatedly try to find a Planeswalker and put it into your hand while also filling your graveyard for Muldrotha. Kaya's Ghostform can reanimate when the enchanted Planeswalker/creature dies or is exiled. Interplanar Beacon is more budget color fixing for Planeswalkers.
1 month ago
Okay. This will sound like I'm still a fool about this, but I believe the only true way to end this is through cooperation, & what is considered better as choices. W/ a truly uncleanable slate, I'd rather you don't choose for me (That happened to me once before, & it ended poorly, moreso than most.); but rather, suggest between either multiple or the fate of one thing(s), & I'll work from there. Concise enough, right? I mean, most CONTRA games have one simple goal to advance (& yes, I'm not just referring to the original on the NES.); Run, & Shoot. You can't go any further for that if you wish for further simplicity.
Alright, I'll shut it about the Contra Games; it's time to decide various card's Fates... Oh, & here's the Decklist in case you do care; don't worry, I'll clean the Planeswalker Amount up after all is set & done.
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& Yes, I know it's not a Primer; I tried to do that, but as of WAR, there was too much content to handle, & abandoned the project entirely. Thus, a renaming is in order soon enough...
Q1. While both are good in their own, which duo do you believe is the better duo for this, & the other, more cut worthy?
1. Aminatou, the Fateshifter and/or Spark Double 2. Planebound Accomplice + Cloudstone Curio combo
Q2. Urza, Lord High Artificer is OP all over. There's already a threat of him being banned. He can convert any untapped Artifice you have like Mox Sapphire ; a card that's already banned, & he can make ALOT of Mox all at once, & can reset your library on the fly.
But, is he really worth it in Superfriends? He is a God among machines, that'll be dethroned quicker than Leovold, Emissary of Trest when he got banned.
Q3. What draw card should I even use in the first place?
Q4. Many seem to be against Oath of Gideon these days. I already have stuff that might be better than it. Is such an Oath broken based on recent events?
Q5. W/ Kytheon now dead, & the possibility of removing his Oath, I feel that I want to put a Planeswalker in that has the Gideon Type that is also good W/ Superfriends; or the least bad in this case. That, & I wonder if there will ever be a thing of Nissa being compatable to Superfriends as well. Both are possible but just in case...
The community seems in favor that there is no place for Kytheon in Superfriends/Avengers. What about Nissa? B: Do you think Nissa deserves a place in Superfriends, & if so, Which Iteration?
Nexus of Fate is left on its own. Don't worry about them walkers though. I'll handle that.
Q8. Apparently Bigger DOESN'T mean better in this archetype. The Hydra gets killed by the Walkers that stayed back in Ravnica.
Q9. W/ Q1 as a part of this charade, this is going to make Thran Temporal Gateway far less relevant. Do you believe I should keep this still?
Q10. Three Walkers have been hated on by all, but me: Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast , & Rowan Kenrith . All these three cards I like alot, but nobody else does. Let's start w/ Rowan as she's obviously going to get hated the most. This deck already has Crawlspace (Which reduces her forced number of Attacking enemy creatures to 2.), Meekstone (Which locksdown those w/ 3 or more Power that do attack, rendered untapped their next turn.).
Should I keep Rowan Kenrith , or should I amp up the level of defense for Rowan, & from there, my Walkers as a whole, & if so, what would you reccomend?
Saheeli, Sublime Artificer is next. Just having a Static ability to make Durdles for every noncreature you cast is awesome. What's not awesome? Most of my targets are Rocks, & I'd like some good targets, & even an End the Turn effect to keep the fruits of Saheeli's nature.
Should I keep Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , & if so, can you think of any good targets for her; & a decent End the Turn effect? The best I can find are Sundial of the Infinite , & Time Stop ; I already have a Sorcery Speed Timetwister , & I don't want to lose.
Finally, Daretti himself. Sure, his constructs can't attack due to Defender, but listen wisely; you can also sac your Constructs, & Saheeli's Servos as ammo to destroy enemy Artifice & even enemy creatures. You just need one aftifact, & those durdles are very good at that. His Ult. can make 3 copies of an artifact you control. But what if I told you it doesn't matter whose Graveyard you're copying Artifacts, nor even who controls them. Yep. You can simply search your opponent's yard & make three big things all at once. Go ahead. Take their Blightsteel Colossus , & Winfect. Steal their Rocks for yourself! There is only little that Daretti can't do w/ all this.
After that, Should I keep Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast ? & I apologize for the descriptions for the three; I wanted to show a basic synopsis for them.
Q11. As I have more Creatures, Topdecking, & a decent array of lands, I also want to know if another Walker in particular is more priveledged to be in there now; Vivien Reid . Based on her abilities (Spot Removal, prep-topdeck, & an awesome Emblem.), do you think she should be added?
Q12. W/O 10/10/10, how would you redesign this deck's Landbase w/ the following link? Note that the first 5 slots are taken by default via the Cycle Duals (from Amonkhet.), & that it has Crucible of Worlds .
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Q13. Having mana in all 5 Colors is great, but sometimes, not having all the mana types might not be worth it all.
Based on this, What should I keep?
C: Both of the former.
E: Keep Omen, & suggest a new, much better rock to add on the deck's competitive nature.
Well, that's all the questions I have for now. I hope this Q&A thing can help w/ the whole deck revising. & after I got my answrs, I'll take it from here. Thank you again for all this. :)
2 months ago
Oath of Liliana gives you blockers when you summon Aminatou and makes your opponents sac a creature whenever its bounced, which is pretty nice.
Gilded Drake OP.
2 months ago
Hey, nice version, but I think there's too many five drops, six drops and seven drops here. 16 five drops are making the avg. CMC of your deck higher than 4.
4.2 avg. CMC is too high especially when playing a three drop Commander. You can narrow down the five drops and keep the best ones: Mulldrifter, Peregrine Drake, Liliana Vess, Devastation Tide, Oath of Teferi and cut the rest. The same can be done for the six drops keep: Duplicant, Terminus, cut the rest. The seven and higher drops keep: Razaketh, the Foulblooded and that's it.
Vela the Night-Clad is a six drop, but if you combine her with Felidar Guardian and Aminatu then it's a combo to make all your opponents lose all life since both Aminatu and Guardian are continually leaving the battlefield which triggers Vela infinite times. Consider including both Vela and Guardian as your main win condition with Aminatu?
Consider cutting many of the high CMC cards for lower mana cost cards that interact with Aminatu or give you good value for the mana cost? Budget cards $3 or less each to consider adding:
- Wall of Omens
- Rishadan Cutpurse
- Brago, King Eternal
- Animate Dead
- Telling Time
- Swords to Plowshares
- Reality Acid
- Oath of Jace
- Oath of Liliana
- Dovin's Veto
- Ashiok, Dream Render
- Narset, Parter of Veils
- Return to Dust
- Talisman of Dominance
Budget land $3 or less each upgrades to consider:
2 months ago
This is also going to be adjusted when Ashiok, Dream Render and Narset, Parter of the Veils comes out.
But that is likely another deck
5 months ago
Hi! Zombie tribal is one of my favorite decks too. I think Dark Salvation is a must. The same about Endless Ranks of the Dead . I also like Grimoire of the Dead . Oath of Liliana is another fun card but you'd better find at least a couple of Planeswalkers. For example Jace, Unraveler of Secrets (card advantage and control) and Liliana, Death's Majesty or Liliana, Untouched By Death . Zombie lords: Death Baron , Cemetery Reaper , Lord of the Undead . Board wipe is strongly recommended (at least one of these): Wrath of God Day of Judgment , Cleansing Nova , Damnation , Cyclonic Rift . Useful creatures: Diregraf Colossus , Metallic Mimic . Mana stabilization: Unclaimed Territory , Mana Confluence , Path of Ancestry . Good luck in brewing!
6 months ago
6 months ago
Okay! Now that I have a few more minutes to write detailed responses...
IAmTheWraith: Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants has been...surprisingly helpful? He's not the most powerful walker in the world, but his ult is neat (and this deck can actually get there). The 3 white tokens per turn are one free exile with Teysa. I could see Ajani, Caller of the Pride in that slot I suppose, but I wanted my wincons to not be defeated by a board wipe (hence why I've largely avoided "one-time" token effects). I may rethink this in the future.
Liliana, Death's Majesty has been AMAZING in this deck. Sure, her ult doesn't help much, but her -3 is invaluable and her +1 is really nice, to produce a consistent stream of blockers/sac fodder (not to mention the fantastic art). Liliana Vess is definitely an option, though - I'm still tinkering with my PW composition.
I'm not fully convinced by Oath of Liliana, but Oath of Gideon seems pretty decent here. I do not like Deploy the Gatewatch, since you need twenty-eight PWs in your deck to consistently hit 2 in the top 7 cards. And I'll think on Selfless Spirit!
Thank you all for your advice! (And is there anything you'd change in the newer draft?)
Oath of Liliana occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%