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Creature — Specter
When Liliana's Specter enters the battlefield, each opponent discards a card.
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Liliana's Specter Discussion
4 days ago
On topic...discard in multiplayer can be done, but beware of a couple things. People get annoyed when their resources are whittled away, so prepare to get hit a lot. I have a multiplayer discard deck that uses Recurring Nightmare to bring back stuff like Liliana's Specter, Thoughtrender Lamia and Rotting Rats. I’ve learned that you have to have a plan for the stuff that sticks, and you have to plan for the deck that can out draw your discard plan. Otherwise, like other posters have said, 1:1 discard is pure card disadvantage, so stuff like Skull Rend are pretty threatening. I once had an opponent Force of Will my Skull Rend because of the potential damage it could cause.
1 week ago
I think you're going to have to take a direction with the deck. It seems that your deck is being pulled in too many different directions. Big finishers (with your commander being one), discard enablers, discard payoffs... the balance depends on how you want to take your deck.
If you want to stick with Crosis, I'd recommend building a control-ish deck with him at the top end (or close to it) of your mana curve. Take out your specters and dragons. Run more low-to-the-ground utility drops like Baleful Strix, Serendib Sorcerer, Liliana's Specter, Nin, the Pain Artist, Nivix Guildmage, Notion Thief etc. Run cards that force discarding like Necrogen Mists, Creeping Dread, Painful Quandary etc. Go heavy on removal and draw spells. Alongside your commander, you can have some big spells as a way to end the game when they go long, like Torment of Hailfire, Exsanguinate, deathcloud. Unless the vast majority of your cards are CMC 4 or below, the deck will be very clunky imo.
3 weeks ago
You want a deck that will remove the opponents deck while it controls what they’re doing and steadily building a zombie swarm?
A couple important red zombies will be Neheb, the Eternal and Wildfire Eternal. You could play Sedris, the Traitor King to bring stuff back on the cheap, and even Liliana's Reaver, Siren of the Silent Song, Order of Yawgmoth, and Slavering Nulls. All these guys getting through will be made easier if you have Zombie Master and Graf Harvest too. Undead Alchemist can make more zombies while they eat all the brains too...
Then you can play planeswalkers like Liliana, Death's Majesty to reanimate stuff repeatedly and the one Bolas does it too. Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Sepulchral Primordial and Diluvian Primordial are all good, and even Molten Primordial can be if you have a way to sacrifice the stuff you steal like Grimgrin, Corpse-Born, Ghoulcaller Gisa, Carrion Feeder or Corpse Harvester.
1 month ago
Since you plan on running mono-black devotion, I would recommend running a creature-base with a as a minimum in their mana costs, since Gray Merchant appears to be the only one in your deck who does. Some creatures that come to mind are Dauthi Slayer, Chittering Rats, Liliana's Specter, and Liliana's Shade. Another creature that benefits from black devotion in the pauper format worth considering is Marshmist Titan because he's easy to get out with enough devotion on the field. Hope this helps!
Might also be worth considering more two drop cards because your mana curve tells me that you need them. Maybe some draw power from Sign in Blood would be appropriate, but you can also add some removal like Chainer's Edict or Victim of Night.
1 month ago
After doing some play testing (in a 1v1 environment, sadly) I found Whisper, Blood Liturgist to be fairly powerful as a stax piece with Liliana's Specter or Mindslicer and Eternal Witness or Ophiomancer. The reason I say eternal witness is for situations where you have something like Smallpox in grave with two more black producing dorks or a piece of removal so the opp will, essentially, spend their turn doing nothing. In a 1v1 environment, the instant speed reanimation provided by whisper can cut the opponent off of top decking an answer for the lock you create, while also putting things into the grave that you want for the next turn, such as witness or rec sage.
Also, whats your take on Mana Web? obviously in conjunction with Winter Orb it can be very powerful, forcing the opponent into a position where they need to think "okay do i need to respond or do i want my next turn" while also acting as a psudo Arcane Laboratory against other midrange/control decks on its own, I'd love to hear your thoughts on both cards.
2 months ago
it's a bit ironic to assemble the Avengers (aka The Gatewatch) to help to construct a Bolas-deck, but nevertheless here are my ideas:
First of all, I would discard :) the whole Nekusar-wheel-theme. Nekusar, the Mindrazer decks just do it better anyways and playing Wheel of Fortune, Reforge the Soul, Jace's Archivist or Windfall in your deck has some drawbacks. While they're great to enable your plan of using the opponents' graveyards, your decks' cmc is not low enough to exploit those cards. Additionally, your opponents would get a significant amount of cards out of it, too, which also undermines the whole handcontrol theme of your deck: What's the matter of making them discard through Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip, when you're helping them to refill their hands the next turn? Cards like Megrim, Liliana's Caress or Fell Specter would have to go as well because they're only effective with the aforementioned cards.
So my proposal is to focus on discard and control. Cards like Painful Quandary, The Eldest Reborn, Waste Not, Oppression and Chains of Mephistopheles fit well and should stay. You could add Skull Rend or Liliana's Specter. You could also add cards that let your commander re-enter the battlefield like Ghostly Flicker. Some ninjas like Silent-Blade Oni or Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni do not only fit your theme but let you cast your commander again.
You have to strengthen your control over the graveyards when you're making people discard. The Scarab God is already good here. But you need some more graveyard-hate like Relic of Progenitus or Phyrexian Furnace which give you a bit of a choice what to exile. Don't play Leyline of the Void in here.
So far I mentioned 8 cards which should be cut, so here are 22 more: Kess, Dissident Mage, Nightveil Specter, Mind's Dilation, Omniscience, Torment of Hailfire, Disrupt Decorum, Entreat the Dead, Anvil of Bogardan, Go for the Throat, Blasphemous Act, Stunning Reversal, Thrilling Encore, Leyline of Anticipation (most of the permanents don't have to be played at instant speed. Casting leyline is just doing nothing for the turn), Bloodchief Ascension, Countersquall, Desertion, Preordain, Thoughtseize, Library of Leng, Disciple of Bolas, Hour of Devastation, Tormenting Voice.
That's all for now. Good luck with your deck!
2 months ago
You could try Hypnotic Specter over Liliana's Specter for the random discard effect. Funeral Charm is also decent since it can make your opponent discard on their draw step and kill mana dorks and Delver and Bob. Have uou tried using Quest for the Nihil Stone instead of Liliana's Caress?
3 months ago
Couple of notes up front (might just be due to ongoing edits):
- You have 2 copies of Victory Chimes in the list
- You only have 96 cards in the list (including the duplicate above) instead of 100
Want to suggest a couple of deck strategies to consider focusing in on (they are all fairly synergistic but it might help to pick one to focus on to help the deck feel like it has a clearer win condition):
With your current list of mill-value and beats, the missing pieces only seem to be ways to close the game.
- Keening Stone to close out a player with mill
- Necrotic Ooze to take advantage of any opponents' powerful abilities
- Consuming Aberration and Lord of Extinction seem quite good
- Psychosis Crawler takes advantage of the multiple windfall effects you are running but otherwise isn't too synergistic
- Splinterfright is a cheaper Lhurgoyf with better keywording and a synergistic 'tax' that works in your favor. Terravore might be worth considering too.
Discard Group Slug
I think this is a really interesting avenue for Muldrotha: running cards like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Waste Not, Oppression, Mindslicer and Myojin of Night's Reach to clear out your own and opponents' hands while benefiting from Muldrotha and other graveyard recursion effects to allow yourself to keep making plays. It would be a deck unlike any other at our table so far.
Other solid cards that support this archetype:
- Scythe Specter, Hypnotic Specter, Liliana's Specter
- Cabal Conditioning
- Words of Waste
- Necrogen Mists
- Bloodhusk Ritualist
- Bottomless Pit
- Sword of Feast and Famine (yeah, expensive though)
- Painful Quandary
- Archfiend of Ifnir
Graveyard Theft or Pure Recursion
This concept would run recursion spells like Boneyard Parley to steal the best things from opponents graveyards. In this case, Muldrotha allows us to consistently run targeted recursion from our graveyard, and we can focus our deck construction on the grave-robbing package. Because of Muldrotha's ability, we want to focus primarily on "theft on sticks" which we can repeatedly cast as needed, likely leaning heavily into Black.
Theft on Sticks examples
- Chainer, Dementia Master
- Dance of the Dead
- Scion of Darkness
- Chancellor of the Spires can both jump-start your mill value and borrow a winner from someone's yard. Sam has one.