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Provoke (When this attacks, you may have target creature defending player controls untap and block it if able.)
Krosan Vorine can't be blocked by more than one creature.
Krosan Vorine Discussion
5 months ago
Yeah I had been debating about that one, and the keeping the mana curve low was the biggest reason I included Krosan Vorine . You make a good point, though. I think that one extra mana might just be worth Lowland Tracker ’s first strike.
I’m a little confused by your next suggestion because none of those cards have a Lure effect. They don’t force blockers; they just do things when they’re blocked. Including lure effects would be a great idea if I can find room for them, though.
Yeah, Shamanic Revelation is really good. It’s similar to Camaraderie which nets me life regardless of my creatures’ power. I think if I had enough creatures with power over 4 to make the second part worth it, it would just be win-more. Still good draw power regardless. It might find its way in if I need another high draw spell.
Thanks for taking a look at the deck and giving some feedback!
5 months ago
After looking at you combat trick section, I would vote for replacing Krosan Vorine with Lowland Tracker . It does cost 1 more mana, but it has first strike. You pair that with Bow of Nylea , Basilisk Collar , or Gorgon Flail (other strong inclusions in a deck with Mirri) and now the Tracker is just straight removal.
Shamanic Revelation can be pretty potent card draw in a token deck as well. Yes you need a board state to get anything, but it has pretty high upside.
5 months ago
1 year ago
Leonin Shikari is quite good, the "Instant" speed equip means you can move your Infect Grafted Exoskeleton, or Protection Hammer of Nazahn, or Trample Loxodon Warhammer, or Card Advantage Bloodforged Battle-Axe around after blockers are declared to maximize / have favorable outcomes. Along with a Puresteel Paladin he becomes great. To get his Metalcraft working properly you need some other artifacts like Ancient Den, Tree of Tales, Inkmoth Nexus. Since you have Bloodforged Battle-Axe in your build, I would try and work him in, because the Draw ability he offers when you start multiplying the Bloodforged Battle-Axe could be a win-con.
Behemoth Sledge is good, I prefer the offense of the Loxodon Warhammer, the reason I don't run both is redundancy, since I tutor my artifacts, I would rather have more options than duplication/redundancy. However, in a less (equipment) tutor intense build, I like the redundancy as it increases my draw %. Coupled together with the Puresteel Paladin can get it's Equip cost down as well. You have Enlightened Tutor, but with no (creature) tutorable Stonehewer Giant or Stoneforge Mystic, I would run the redundancy since the Trample and Lifelink are both key to your success with Infect.
Taj-Nar Swordsmith is also not a terrible Equipment tutor in a budget scenario. I don't like his CMC but, he is a (Creature) tutorable, and gives an (Equipment) tutor for the Infect Grafted Exoskeleton. Depends how your finding your games going if he is relevant. If others are combo'ing on Turn3-Turn5 he wont have any impact.
Skullclamp is a nice way to avoid creature removal heavy decks, like , can turn your 1 creature that has been Go for the Throat into Card Advantage. It also allows you to turn tokens into Card Advantage, and it's a CMC1 Artifact for Puresteel Paladin Metalcraft and Draw.
If you don't have a budgetary restriction on decks, Lands is definitely where you'll get consistency, things like Temple Garden are pricey, but very good because they are searchable as Forest and Plains and enable other lands like Sunpetal Grove as an example.
Lifecrafter's Bestiary is also a decent budget Selesnya () card. I don't like its CMC3 cost, and it requires to activate, plus this isn't a creature deck. The Scry 1 combined with the Draw, can be effective though.
I use Chord of Calling for my Felidar Sovereign and Archangel of Thune/Spike Feeder combo. It's fairly pricey, but if you have it already, I would run it! You can still use it to pull any other creature, like Lost Leonin too, but usually later in the game they are less effective, than the early tutor/double-strike like Worldly Tutor.
Krosan Vorine is in your mainboard, my mistake. Take him off your Maybeboard.
Fortified Village is still fairly inexpensive, I believe. Good for consistency.
Path to Exile is a little pricey, but it doubles as an Emergency tutor, and it's Exile so VERY powerful.
Rhonas the Indomitable I've found is an awesome tempo guy, ANY cat means that he can Attack, and is indestructible, and is Deathtouch, and can add Trample (or multi-pump an Infect/Trample Cat to win).
Sylvan Library is ridiculously expensive, however, If you aren't under budget constraints, and you can trade for one, it's the BEST card advantage you have in the arsenal.
I'm not a huge fan of Divine Reckoning, it's not going to get rid of the creature that is the REAL problem. It's only Destroy as well. I think, the creature that anyone else keeps is usually better than the creature you keep, except perhaps in an early Lost Leonin or something case.
I also really dislike Hunter's Prowess. If it was Instant, I could deal with it. It's just setting you up for a 2 for 1 situation. Sorcery Cast Hunter's Prowess onto a creature, creature is removed in response with a Swords to Plowshares. You lose #1 The creature (and the offense) #2 Hunter's Prowess is countered. Plus it's CMC5 is really high, He can enable a double-strike or Infect guy for sure, but too high CMC, and too risky for me. Something like Hunter's Insight I'll take the risk on because I know what Blockers look like, and I cast it JUST before the damage assignment step, so yes, he could still be removed in response, but usually at that point they've accepted/arranged the damage and now I get the draw. Personal preference. If it was an Enchantment as well, I would also be ok with it, as a Sorcery, no thanks. That beings said, if you do connect with it, very nice +3 and Trample and Draw, but why CMC5.
I like the Life's Legacy at CMC2. I've added to my Maybeboard, I think it needs to go into my deck as well. Eminence a Cat, Attack with Cat, Sacrifice Cat (As part of the cost, so no way to remove the creature in response to counter the spell), also no targeting. It's pretty good, CMC2 for 4+ card advantage. I like it. Without a creature it's not that great, but hopefully, have a Token cat or something to use. Excellent budget card.
Not the biggest fan of Myriad Landscape. i could live with it if it didn't enter the battlefield tapped. Because it enters tapped, it's going to hinder me more times that it's ramp will help me.
Oreskos Explorer is good, but I don't like that he is and only pulls more , and is conditional on ETB without Flash. I think he can, in multi-player pods, potentially pull you some Plains, but later in the game unless you're playing other ramp, you'll have more lands that everyone. Everyone else just using Mana Crypt and the sort to ramp without . I don't like that he doesn't mana fix and is useless late game. I wouldn't run him.
Rishkar's Expertise is also too high CMC and too conditional for my liking. To properly utilize it, I need 1) CMC6, 2) A decent size creature with Eminence 3) That creature in 2 isn't removed in response (I know it doesn't target, but if i have a 6/6 (eminence) and a 1/1 lifelink token, if they remove the 6/6 in response, I only draw 1 even though the spell isn't countered) 4) I have or draw into a card that is CMC5 that makes sense to cast right now. If any of these things aren't there, it's a dead draw to me.
Stalking Leonin is ok, he's 3/3 for CMC3. The selection process feels bizarre/strange/uncomfortable to me. His ability is an activated ability "reveal the player", so if he dies, then all you've gotten is a 3/3 for CMC3. He can only exile a creature that "attacking you", so he can't protect planeswalkers, and he can only remove attacking creatures. The creatures you really want to exile RARELY attack. I would rather have a different creature that provide immediate ETB or Static ability that is not conditional. But that's just me, not a fan of him, which I originally thought I would be when I saw him in the Spoilers.
I love Terminus one of my favorite cards. In Selesnya () there's no efficient way to put it back ontop of the deck, so it's Miracle is going to be a little hit and miss randomness, but it's still good. Gets around hexproof, shroud, indestructible, etc.
Did you get a Vivien Reid in your pre-release play? He doesn't really synergize with Arahbo, Roar of the World.1) His CMC5 is quite high for a planeswalker 2) It's not a creature heavy/win-con based deck, so he's not going to consistently draw a card for his +1, unless you put some Scry mechanics in the deck (please don't) 3) Unless you need more destroy Artifact/Enchantment/Flying in your pod, CMC5 is way to much for that. 4) even if you destroy for CMC5, then +1 (no draw), then Destroy again, it's so much CMC and so many turns, too kludgy. 5) Not being a creature win-con heavy deck, the ultimate doesn't direclty represent a win-con for you, it's good, but not a win-con level ultimate. I would make better arguments for CMC6 Ajani Unyielding or CMC4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant or CMC4 Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants.
Some others have argued to me that Felidar Cub is a good tempo guy, who "locks down" opponents from casting powerful enchantments until they can deal with him, in that analysis he is good because he's preventing casts. I tried him, I haven't seen enough, I prefer guys like Leonin Relic-Warder that offer solutions without having to die, but thought I would mention him anyway.
Revoke Existence is not bad, with it was Instant speed. I'm not sure you want to be the one controlling Artifact/Enchantment. CMC2 for Exile and Modularity is good though, can't argue to take it out, just not sure what Artifact/Enchantment you're worried about that will change/disrupt your plans?
The deck looks pretty solid, I'd be surprised if you weren't Turn 3/4 Infect killing with a Lost Leonin + Eminence + Ajani, Caller of the Pride/Berserk/Silverblade Paladin/etc. at least once in a while?? or pulling a Triumph of the Hordes and Trample/Infect killing.
Always tutor Lost Leonin if they don't have an immediate response he is a win-con with Eminence. I've killed with him without doublestrike quite often, just having 2 connected hits. Cast a blocker, I'll gladly Swords to Plowshares + Eminence hit you a couple turns.
How has the deck been going, you must be having some success? Arahbo, Roar of the World is a Tier 4 commander, and with an Under $200 deck, I'm sure your not competing consistenly vs. Tier 1 commanders like Kess, Dissident Mage or Zur the Enchanter or anything, but on occasion (because of the early creature tutor for Lost Leonin and the concentration of Double-strike enables, you MUST be contacting.)
I just did some very quick (5 games) testing, Turn 7 was the worst for lethal damage, Turn 4 the best. It's not bad for a under $200 commander. Takes time to learn how to play it, tutor. Like Congregation at Dawn is Lost Leonin/Silverblade Paladin so you can infect + eminence + doublestrike in 2 turns (as an example).
Just some of my opinions anyway! Very nice build, +1. Cheers.
1 year ago
Thanks for the follow. I'll do a full break down and recommendation of your deck. I'm just getting back from vacation today.
I play in a $50 budget league so I'll be able to come up with some ideas. As your new to EDH here are some tools you can look at:
EDHRec.com - You can lookup the commanders and see common cards being paid, under the "Recs" in the main top toolbar, you can paste your current deck, and it will evaluate and provide some recommendations, and on a second tab, the cards that you are playing that noone else does. It's nice because it not only shows you how many other people play that card, but has a synergy rating which is usually more important, AND it shows rough prices you can use and ignore like $25 cards and such as you go.
I also like Deckstats.net. It's similar graphing wise to Tappedout.net but it allows you to sort by price (helpful when trying to keep under a budget), as well as some more advanced graph options, like showing colorless mana and such.
Krosan Vorine is a good budget cat that can take down Commanders or creatures that are giving you trouble, with the Eminence trigger.
With Lost Leonin you can Double-Strike him, which is an instant win if he's letting you hit early, because 10 infect wins, and a 2/1 Infect +3/3 from Eminence + Double-Strike kills. You have Ajani, Caller of the Pride so abilities like that are good.
You have quite a few creature tutors, so you should be able to get to your Lost Leonin, I'll see if there are any other affordable tutors you've missed, tutoring an early Lost Leonin + Silverblade Paladin should do it.
I'll take a closer look this week. Cheers!
1 year ago
Adorned Pouncer is a must with arahbo. Turning that 1/1 into a 4/4 with doublestrike which swings by turn 3 is nasty and sweet. I do notice as well you haven't included Skyhunter Skirmisher, a considerable powerhouse for the deck being a 4/4 with double strike but with the added benefit of built in evasion on flying for a single more mana. Enlightened Ascetic brings some enchantment removal in the form of a body that can hit for 4 if needed. Leonin Relic-Warder brings in some similar effect. Krosan Vorine is a cat which goes under the radar but with provoke and a little boost from Arahbo, 6/5 going for heads in the field ain't a joke. Leonin Shikari is rather useful if you are going for the equipment approach on Nazahn. Oreskos Explorer acts as a Gift of Estates with a good body for arahbo to boost. Sure we are running Green and have access to better ramp but it is good to consider. Pride Sovereign, out kitty overlord, can get very big with a good White Sun's Zenith or even a Regal Caracal coming into play.
Mirari's Wake was part of the precon and comes along nicely with the deck. It gives you the ability to slam more than a single big cat at once or cast a colossal Zenith.
For a little Go Wide strategy, Overwhelming Stampede can help a bit, even at sorcery speed.
For the final touch. That new Bladehold Kitty from M19 comes in nicely for any cat dek i believe.
1 year ago
Bloodforged Battle-Axe + Behemoth Sledge + Sigarda's Aid + Krosan Vorine would be a great replacement 4 cards. I've been playing Bloodforged Battle-Axe in my Mirri, Little Kid Aggro EDH and it can get out of hand sometimes!
Sterling Grove is great, I don't have many Enchantments which is why I ended up removing it, but the ability to tutor Sylvan Library is powerful. Sylvan Library is very important in winning with Arahbo, Roar of the World.
You could try the Blackblade Reforged + Sword of the Animist + Sigarda's Aid + Stoneforge Mystic or Burnished Hart, and replace the fast mana fetches like Nature's Lore and Three Visits and Green Sun's Zenith with Cultivate + Kodama's Reach to get more lands, throw in a Traverse the Outlands to ensure you win. Tutor your Blackblade Reforged and with a Doublestrike or Trample would be an effective weapon. Throw a Taj-Nar Swordsmith in there too since the sword is only . Rhonas the Indomitable will be awesome in this build, with all that land he can trigger his ability to give Trample to the Blackblade Reforged Cat.
1 year ago
Thanks for the comments.
Hunting Grounds is not bad, I don't play any large CMC creatures, CMC3/4 is my average. Lurking Predators is in similar fashion, but gets the "draw". If it could cheat in a Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith on Turn 3, would be all-star, but I'd have to play cards like Grisly Salvage (and others similar, like The Mending of Dominaria) and such to make it viable. In the current build, even with 30 creatures, I'm not sure how fast I would get to Threshold to make it viable. I like the concept not prepared to try and go down that graveyard building road just yet. I do have the Fetch lands, so I'm 1/2 way there already!
Even though my guys are small, I don't usually aggro to make Fanatical Devotion extremely valuable (how I play anyway). I'll resolve enablers, like Puresteel Paladin + Lost Leonin together, but wouldn't usually play Lost Leonin + Adorned Pouncer together, I hold the Adorned Pouncer back incase Lost Leonin gets killed, since I only have the 1 Eminence trigger. It's an interesting one though, might be worth play testing to save key creatures like Stonehewer Giant (but he just pulls protection on himself as needed anyway). Very interesting though.
Natural Balance a little slow, is a form of land destruction though, could shut down some decks. I'm usually the one mana ramping though, so I might lose lands in the transaction, and give lands to opponents. I'll try and keep an eye out on T3/4 when this would be cast, to see where I am comparatively. If it's played early, it ramps the opponents too, whereas in I'm pretty efficient at ramping just myself (and not opponents) already. There are lots of other great ramps not already in here.
I am testing Krosan Vorine right now in my Mirri, Little Kid Aggro EDH deck to see if he's viable here. My concerns with him are 1) No Trample 2) Trying to infect kill early with Lost Leonin and Doublestrike he doesn't help that. I do think he's valuable for killing/sniping creatures later as a control card with Eminence, especially greasy creatures that try to hide. I agree with you, have to get him in there. I have lots of cards under eval to replace, I'll need to pickup another copy of him at the store.
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