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Leonin Shikari Discussion
3 days ago
first of all I would recommend Rafiq of the Many it allows more colors, and you can make a deck with a lot of creatures with exalted. with alot of creatures with exalted, you can swing with a, let's say a, 1/1 and make it a massive threat.
6 days ago
Leonin Shikari is quite good, the "Instant" speed equip means you can move your Infect Grafted Exoskeleton, or Protection Hammer of Nazahn, or Trample Loxodon Warhammer, or Card Advantage Bloodforged Battle-Axe around after blockers are declared to maximize / have favorable outcomes. Along with a Puresteel Paladin he becomes great. To get his Metalcraft working properly you need some other artifacts like Ancient Den, Tree of Tales, Inkmoth Nexus. Since you have Bloodforged Battle-Axe in your build, I would try and work him in, because the Draw ability he offers when you start multiplying the Bloodforged Battle-Axe could be a win-con.
Behemoth Sledge is good, I prefer the offense of the Loxodon Warhammer, the reason I don't run both is redundancy, since I tutor my artifacts, I would rather have more options than duplication/redundancy. However, in a less (equipment) tutor intense build, I like the redundancy as it increases my draw %. Coupled together with the Puresteel Paladin can get it's Equip cost down as well. You have Enlightened Tutor, but with no (creature) tutorable Stonehewer Giant or Stoneforge Mystic, I would run the redundancy since the Trample and Lifelink are both key to your success with Infect.
Taj-Nar Swordsmith is also not a terrible Equipment tutor in a budget scenario. I don't like his CMC but, he is a (Creature) tutorable, and gives an (Equipment) tutor for the Infect Grafted Exoskeleton. Depends how your finding your games going if he is relevant. If others are combo'ing on Turn3-Turn5 he wont have any impact.
Skullclamp is a nice way to avoid creature removal heavy decks, like , can turn your 1 creature that has been Go for the Throat into Card Advantage. It also allows you to turn tokens into Card Advantage, and it's a CMC1 Artifact for Puresteel Paladin Metalcraft and Draw.
If you don't have a budgetary restriction on decks, Lands is definitely where you'll get consistency, things like Temple Garden are pricey, but very good because they are searchable as Forest and Plains and enable other lands like Sunpetal Grove as an example.
Lifecrafter's Bestiary is also a decent budget Selesnya () card. I don't like its CMC3 cost, and it requires to activate, plus this isn't a creature deck. The Scry 1 combined with the Draw, can be effective though.
I use Chord of Calling for my Felidar Sovereign and Archangel of Thune/Spike Feeder combo. It's fairly pricey, but if you have it already, I would run it! You can still use it to pull any other creature, like Lost Leonin too, but usually later in the game they are less effective, than the early tutor/double-strike like Worldly Tutor.
Krosan Vorine is in your mainboard, my mistake. Take him off your Maybeboard.
Fortified Village is still fairly inexpensive, I believe. Good for consistency.
Path to Exile is a little pricey, but it doubles as an Emergency tutor, and it's Exile so VERY powerful.
Rhonas the Indomitable I've found is an awesome tempo guy, ANY cat means that he can Attack, and is indestructible, and is Deathtouch, and can add Trample (or multi-pump an Infect/Trample Cat to win).
Sylvan Library is ridiculously expensive, however, If you aren't under budget constraints, and you can trade for one, it's the BEST card advantage you have in the arsenal.
I'm not a huge fan of Divine Reckoning, it's not going to get rid of the creature that is the REAL problem. It's only Destroy as well. I think, the creature that anyone else keeps is usually better than the creature you keep, except perhaps in an early Lost Leonin or something case.
I also really dislike Hunter's Prowess. If it was Instant, I could deal with it. It's just setting you up for a 2 for 1 situation. Sorcery Cast Hunter's Prowess onto a creature, creature is removed in response with a Swords to Plowshares. You lose #1 The creature (and the offense) #2 Hunter's Prowess is countered. Plus it's CMC5 is really high, He can enable a double-strike or Infect guy for sure, but too high CMC, and too risky for me. Something like Hunter's Insight I'll take the risk on because I know what Blockers look like, and I cast it JUST before the damage assignment step, so yes, he could still be removed in response, but usually at that point they've accepted/arranged the damage and now I get the draw. Personal preference. If it was an Enchantment as well, I would also be ok with it, as a Sorcery, no thanks. That beings said, if you do connect with it, very nice +3 and Trample and Draw, but why CMC5.
I like the Life's Legacy at CMC2. I've added to my Maybeboard, I think it needs to go into my deck as well. Eminence a Cat, Attack with Cat, Sacrifice Cat (As part of the cost, so no way to remove the creature in response to counter the spell), also no targeting. It's pretty good, CMC2 for 4+ card advantage. I like it. Without a creature it's not that great, but hopefully, have a Token cat or something to use. Excellent budget card.
Not the biggest fan of Myriad Landscape. i could live with it if it didn't enter the battlefield tapped. Because it enters tapped, it's going to hinder me more times that it's ramp will help me.
Oreskos Explorer is good, but I don't like that he is and only pulls more , and is conditional on ETB without Flash. I think he can, in multi-player pods, potentially pull you some Plains, but later in the game unless you're playing other ramp, you'll have more lands that everyone. Everyone else just using Mana Crypt and the sort to ramp without . I don't like that he doesn't mana fix and is useless late game. I wouldn't run him.
Rishkar's Expertise is also too high CMC and too conditional for my liking. To properly utilize it, I need 1) CMC6, 2) A decent size creature with Eminence 3) That creature in 2 isn't removed in response (I know it doesn't target, but if i have a 6/6 (eminence) and a 1/1 lifelink token, if they remove the 6/6 in response, I only draw 1 even though the spell isn't countered) 4) I have or draw into a card that is CMC5 that makes sense to cast right now. If any of these things aren't there, it's a dead draw to me.
Stalking Leonin is ok, he's 3/3 for CMC3. The selection process feels bizarre/strange/uncomfortable to me. His ability is an activated ability "reveal the player", so if he dies, then all you've gotten is a 3/3 for CMC3. He can only exile a creature that "attacking you", so he can't protect planeswalkers, and he can only remove attacking creatures. The creatures you really want to exile RARELY attack. I would rather have a different creature that provide immediate ETB or Static ability that is not conditional. But that's just me, not a fan of him, which I originally thought I would be when I saw him in the Spoilers.
I love Terminus one of my favorite cards. In Selesnya () there's no efficient way to put it back ontop of the deck, so it's Miracle is going to be a little hit and miss randomness, but it's still good. Gets around hexproof, shroud, indestructible, etc.
Did you get a Vivien Reid in your pre-release play? He doesn't really synergize with Arahbo, Roar of the World.1) His CMC5 is quite high for a planeswalker 2) It's not a creature heavy/win-con based deck, so he's not going to consistently draw a card for his +1, unless you put some Scry mechanics in the deck (please don't) 3) Unless you need more destroy Artifact/Enchantment/Flying in your pod, CMC5 is way to much for that. 4) even if you destroy for CMC5, then +1 (no draw), then Destroy again, it's so much CMC and so many turns, too kludgy. 5) Not being a creature win-con heavy deck, the ultimate doesn't direclty represent a win-con for you, it's good, but not a win-con level ultimate. I would make better arguments for CMC6 Ajani Unyielding or CMC4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant or CMC4 Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants.
Some others have argued to me that Felidar Cub is a good tempo guy, who "locks down" opponents from casting powerful enchantments until they can deal with him, in that analysis he is good because he's preventing casts. I tried him, I haven't seen enough, I prefer guys like Leonin Relic-Warder that offer solutions without having to die, but thought I would mention him anyway.
Revoke Existence is not bad, with it was Instant speed. I'm not sure you want to be the one controlling Artifact/Enchantment. CMC2 for Exile and Modularity is good though, can't argue to take it out, just not sure what Artifact/Enchantment you're worried about that will change/disrupt your plans?
The deck looks pretty solid, I'd be surprised if you weren't Turn 3/4 Infect killing with a Lost Leonin + Eminence + Ajani, Caller of the Pride/Berserk/Silverblade Paladin/etc. at least once in a while?? or pulling a Triumph of the Hordes and Trample/Infect killing.
Always tutor Lost Leonin if they don't have an immediate response he is a win-con with Eminence. I've killed with him without doublestrike quite often, just having 2 connected hits. Cast a blocker, I'll gladly Swords to Plowshares + Eminence hit you a couple turns.
How has the deck been going, you must be having some success? Arahbo, Roar of the World is a Tier 4 commander, and with an Under $200 deck, I'm sure your not competing consistenly vs. Tier 1 commanders like Kess, Dissident Mage or Zur the Enchanter or anything, but on occasion (because of the early creature tutor for Lost Leonin and the concentration of Double-strike enables, you MUST be contacting.)
I just did some very quick (5 games) testing, Turn 7 was the worst for lethal damage, Turn 4 the best. It's not bad for a under $200 commander. Takes time to learn how to play it, tutor. Like Congregation at Dawn is Lost Leonin/Silverblade Paladin so you can infect + eminence + doublestrike in 2 turns (as an example).
Just some of my opinions anyway! Very nice build, +1. Cheers.
1 month ago
You almost have all the forms of Nahiri!
Also I think in a voltron deck you should have fewer quantity of creatures and more quality creatures. For instance run 8 REALLY good creatures that can be voltron'd or help you voltron vs. 20 creatures that are good in white but not specifically voltron.
Here are a few cards I play in my voltron deck Samurai From The Past! that I think will be of some service too you:
- Spectra Ward: Great card, does a LOT
- Armored Ascension: You only play plains, why not?
- Gift of Immortality: If you are trying to get commander damage across this is a great, otherwise its decent
- Spirit Loop: This may read like lifelink, but it is not lifelink, so you would be able to gain double the life if a creature with lifelink and spirit loop deals damage.
- Remember the Fallen: Solid recursion
- Open the Vaults: Great to bring your stuff back and isn't as expensive as Replenish
- Open the Armory: Great tutor for enchantment or equipment without the pricetag of Enlightened Tutor
- Ajani Steadfast: His +1 is great for Voltron, his -2 is meh, and his ult is great.
- Dispatch: Another path for this deck
- Vedalken Orrery: You always want to be able to play cards at instant speed, as it gives you more control of what happens to the board, specifically your board.
- Scourglass: this deals with problems and keeps all your equipment around to reequip
- Loxodon Warhammer: One of the best non-sword voltron pieces
- Argentum Armor: With the likes of Caged Sun and Extraplanar Lens, you have plenty of mana and you can just go in with a big dude and blow up people's stuff
- Basilisk Collar: Don't underestimate this card, it's so good.
- Magus of the Tabernacle: This is in my Konda Voltron deck (Samurai From The Past! Check it out please!), and it puts a huge strain on go wide strategies and makes players very carefully assess what they want to do in their turn. Either they pay the to keep their 5 creatures or they play a spell, while you are just going to pay the for whatever creature you have Voltron'd
- Leonin Abunas: Great to help deal with people picking apart your assembled voltron creature
- Leonin Shikari: Again instant speed is always a big deal, combat tricks and what not.
1 month ago
I know this page isn't up to date but here's what I'd do:
I would add Mind's Eye 100%. I think a Sun Titan and Armageddon would be worth it. The expensive Equipment cards become better with more focus, like Puresteel Paladin. I'm not sold on Leonin Shikari for such a creature-light deck.
Maybe swap Disenchant with Forsake the Worldly in case you need the draw? Return to Dust is the obvious upgrade. Duelist's Heritage is nice because it isn't an aura and has funny political value on other peoples' turns.
I'm thinking that you should perhaps plan on a more late-game strategy--i.e. more expensive Equipments with bigger bonuses. Seems that the quick win is only viable in 1v1. Perhaps you may want to keep the deck 1v1 only?
I would say drop Armored Ascension, Ethereal Armor (maybe), Serra's Embrace, Unquestioned Authority, Mesa Enchantress, Umbra Mystic, Helm of the Gods. That should open up room for more artifact synergy or more interaction (removal). I'm not sold on Piston Sledge, Hero's Blade, Vorrac Battlehorns, Tenza, Godo's Maul, Ring of Thune.
1 month ago
Adorned Pouncer is a must with arahbo. Turning that 1/1 into a 4/4 with doublestrike which swings by turn 3 is nasty and sweet. I do notice as well you haven't included Skyhunter Skirmisher, a considerable powerhouse for the deck being a 4/4 with double strike but with the added benefit of built in evasion on flying for a single more mana. Enlightened Ascetic brings some enchantment removal in the form of a body that can hit for 4 if needed. Leonin Relic-Warder brings in some similar effect. Krosan Vorine is a cat which goes under the radar but with provoke and a little boost from Arahbo, 6/5 going for heads in the field ain't a joke. Leonin Shikari is rather useful if you are going for the equipment approach on Nazahn. Oreskos Explorer acts as a Gift of Estates with a good body for arahbo to boost. Sure we are running Green and have access to better ramp but it is good to consider. Pride Sovereign, out kitty overlord, can get very big with a good White Sun's Zenith or even a Regal Caracal coming into play.
Mirari's Wake was part of the precon and comes along nicely with the deck. It gives you the ability to slam more than a single big cat at once or cast a colossal Zenith.
For a little Go Wide strategy, Overwhelming Stampede can help a bit, even at sorcery speed.
For the final touch. That new Bladehold Kitty from M19 comes in nicely for any cat dek i believe.
2 months ago
hi really like your list! but I feel that you rely on the wrong keyword you see in most of the case having flying double strike haste is far better then first strike and vigilence also hexproof is really not that good because it doesnt give it during main phase 1 same thing for indestructible
creature: Skyhunter Skirmisher, Aven Sunstriker Balan, Wandering Knight, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite not sure about this one but it's such a cool card! Akroma, Angel of Wrath and Zetalpa, Primal Dawn if your local meta is slow enough this are the cards
sorcery: Hour of Revelation Wrath of God I know it's pretty weird but I feel that you can try to make your creature indestructible and blow thing up. Add them if you want it's more a play style choice then the other card. Revoke Existence
land: Command Beacon
list of thing to cut in my oppinion: Archetype of Courage, Elite Inquisitor, Batterskull, Ring of Thune, Unexpectedly Absent, Darksteel Mutation, Oblivion Ring, Captain of the Watch, Knight of Grace, Precinct Captain, Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Decree of Justice, Leonin Shikari
if you have any question for the cut or why certain card are on the list just ask me :)
2 months ago
I'd feel pretty good going into a game with this, I can see some win-con's:
2) Ramp mana staying under the radar into an Felidar Sovereign
Lots of fun cat stuff here!
To support the Puresteel Paladin, you need to include a Tree of Tales and Ancient Den these Artifact lands add to the Artifact count. They can straight replace just basic Forest and Plains and they don't cost much.
During your eval, if you finding you tutor Bloodforged Battle-Axe with Open the Armory and Steelshaper's Gift quite a bit, and find the mechanic is working, it can be supported by a Sigarda's Aid. Hammer of Nazahn already does the same thing, and is also tutorable by Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith which is why I wouldn't suggest it off the hop, why not just Open the Armory the Hammer of Nazahn right? But something to keep on the Maybeboard. I feel like this won't be the prevalent win con though.
Future priorities for $ would be Land upgrades, that is the worst part about commander format, but it's looking pretty balanced. If you find Puresteel Paladin still isn't activating when you play him, also can keep a Talisman of Unity or Selesnya Signet on the Maybeboard, and go down a land pulling/ramping spell to help improve the % he works. If your finding that he usually triggers when you play him, then I'd rather have the land pulling/ramping spell because it filters the land out of the deck, so your drawing playable cards not lands, and it has synergy with Mirari's Wake.