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(1)(White), Tap: Search your library for an Equipment card and put it into play. Attach it to a creature you control. Then shuffle your library.
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Stonehewer Giant Discussion
4 days ago
I would get rid of
Blade of Selves: the token copies get sac'd before they can do anything if you put it on sigarda, and if you don't what's the point?
Stoneforge Mystic, Steelshaper's Gift and Stonehewer Giant: assuming you take my advice on the blade, you're left with 3 equipment cards, so having tutors specifically related to equipments seems like overkill. You could make an argument in their favor because they grab darksteel plate which really helps you out, but I feel like if it's just to get that one card there are better ways to get it that don't just become dead draws if you've drawn all your equipment first. Like drawing your entire deck off enchantress triggers for example.
From there it gets kinda iffy. I can see alot of cards that can be potential cuts here. For example, with only 34 lands it seems that if you don't get exploration and Burgeoning in your opening hand you're likely to have all the lands out of your hand before you get them making them basically dead draws, but you do have alot of +x/+x for each enchantment you control so maybe between that and all of your enchantress triggers keeping your hand full of land they do pull their weight
3 weeks ago
Haeus Thanks for the suggestions, and it's so cool to me that you're playing the deck! I don't get on here often anymore, but I do still own / play this as my only paper EDH deck. I just updated the list with the changes I've made over the past year or so. You were totally right about Stonehewer Giant, can't believe I'd missed him before -- it's basically a one card combo since it can tutor Darksteel Plate --> Pariah's Shield --> Sunforger --> Arcbond over three turns!
Re: the creature count, the deck is definitely a glass cannon, and it's not the most powerful commander deck. More creatures would be nice since that'd make it less glass cannony and more valuey, but I don't know how I'd fit all the tutors and combo pieces with a higher creature count. Also, the types of creatures we're interested in often don't do enough on their own to be worth anything if you draw too many of them. I feel like I'd probably run about three more Boros Reckoners if they existed. It helps a lot that they printed Truefire Captain! I was finally able to cut Coalhauler Swine, which was truly a terrible card, lol. Six mana is just so much for a creature that doesn't have any kind of protection or immediate value built in.
It kinda depends on what decks you're playing against as to when you play your creatures too. If they're likely to have spot removal, you want to get the creature out and protected asap. But if they're likely to have mass bounce / mass exile / edict effects, you want to hold creatures in your hand until late game when you can get the whole combo off in a turn (which usually takes about ten mana). If it gets to a point where you've played / protected a creature and they've removed it, you're looking at an uphill battle for sure. There's always the Zurgo beatstick plan and the silver bullet plan though, and in the late game you'll usually have most of your combo pieces on board just waiting for a payoff.
It also helps a lot if your opponents don't know what you're up to. If you're playing with a regular group they can definitely start to hate you out. But, that's EDH ¯_(ツ)_/¯ You can always focus on your backup wincons and run hate cards of your own in that case.
The other new card I'm excited about is Chance for Glory. Getting an extra turn and making a creature indestructible seems like a fantastic way to accelerate the combo -- and it's tutorable by Sunforger and Dimir Machinations!
3 weeks ago
Well, I'll do my best for advice. I'll give you some basic info, stuff that I'm pretty sure we'll agree on, then explain the dilemma I have with some of the deck's more integral parts.
First off, under combos you list Faith's Reward and Merciless Eviction, this doesn't work because the exiling of permanents doesn't put them into the graveyard, but into the exile zone. Also, in combo #9, Sigarda's Aid appears useless, because you already have auto-instant-speed-free-equip-on-entering and instant-speed equipments with Stonehewer Giant.
Other than that, I'd suggest upgrading your landbase with the following cards, dropping tapped lands:
Now to the more controversial (I assume) part of my critque/advice. Really, you need to hone you deck into doing something more specific than Aikido Control Voltron Aggro Combo. It streches your deck too thin to do any.
Well, not exactly, there is a way to do it, but it requires some money, because the name of a deck that can pull off the N>3 where N is equal to the number of strategies type of deck is called Toolbox. A strategy in which a deck runs a selection of 'Tutors' (Enlightened Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Gamble, etc.) and tutor targets, or cards that your most prone to tutoring out to get to position your deck to move into a role of gameplay. This strategy can rarely pull off aggro though, but can do a midrange voltron strategy, such as tutoring an Argentum Armor, Batterskull, and Fireshrieker onto the field, positioned to one-shot whoever looks at you wrong, blowing up a permanent per kill.
Control is fine to toolbox for too, in fact tutoring the right answer to the right problem is exactly where toolbox and control overlap. Aikido less so, due to the need for instant-speed tutoring in many cases, but most of those tutors end up tutoring to top, so it is hard to pull it off.
Combo is where toolbox starts to both shine and fall apart. As soon as you run efficient combo, the best answer to nearly any situation is run a tutor-line and win. No need to tutor a sweeper to kill your opponents' elves when you can just Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Felidar Guardian to make infinite cats and kill each and every one of your opponents. Really, it kind of makes the toolbox irrelevant, yes, when an opponent has Blind Obedience you may have to tutor something to get rid of it, or just, you know, run another combo that doesn't fold to Blind Obedience.
Some people have told me that you'd rather still have a toolbox because you might not have access to two tutors, but in that case, just tutor a Imperial Recruiter, use that to tutor for Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, cast Kiki, copy recruiter, and fetch Felidar Guardian, problem solves. Don't want to pay for Imperial Recruiter? Fetch Recruiter of the Guard and replace Felidar Guardian with Combat Celebrant so you make infinite combat steps instead of infinite cats, less fun, but it still works.
Point is, toolbox isn't a perfect answer to making this deck work the way it was intended, but it can piece it together from the stretched mess it is now. It is simply too inconsistent in the current form, with a mediocre landbase for a mana-hungry deck.
Some options would be to scrap the current build, and go heavy control-stax, with Armageddons, some of the pillowfort you have, and abusing the Monarchy to get back into the game faster than your opponents. This would be backed up by a combo-package used to win the game after success fully locking out your opponents from interacting with you, or playing the game at all.
Another option is to go heavy-combo, with an aim on the midrangy strategy of building up minor defenses so you can set up and combo out around turn 4-5, with decent disruption such as Swords to Plowshares, Inquisition of Kozilek, etc. This stops your opponents from going off before you hjopefull long enough for you to use the tutors at your disposal and win.
For an aggro-voltron strategy, dropping all of your top-end for better voltron cards like Hatred, and speedening up your build with more ramp like Lotus Petal, Grim Monolith, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox, and Mox Diamond should help smoothen it out, aiming to kill a player by turn 3-4, and each following turn knocking out a player. This strategy requires some level of protection for your commander, and a single Swiftfoot Boots won't really cut it. Perhaps changing the commander to something with more protection would help.
Those are my thought on how to better this deck in terms of competitiveness, but honestly I have no idea what you wanted me to do, since you didn't specify your playgroup, budget, amount of hate you can handle, etc. I assumed a decent budget, since it is already at $400+ dollars, an average meta (I didn't know), and all the hate could be taken (Grafted Exoskeleton).
If I was off, just tell me!
1 month ago
2 months ago
2 months ago
Leonin Shikari is quite good, the "Instant" speed equip means you can move your Infect Grafted Exoskeleton, or Protection Hammer of Nazahn, or Trample Loxodon Warhammer, or Card Advantage Bloodforged Battle-Axe around after blockers are declared to maximize / have favorable outcomes. Along with a Puresteel Paladin he becomes great. To get his Metalcraft working properly you need some other artifacts like Ancient Den, Tree of Tales, Inkmoth Nexus. Since you have Bloodforged Battle-Axe in your build, I would try and work him in, because the Draw ability he offers when you start multiplying the Bloodforged Battle-Axe could be a win-con.
Behemoth Sledge is good, I prefer the offense of the Loxodon Warhammer, the reason I don't run both is redundancy, since I tutor my artifacts, I would rather have more options than duplication/redundancy. However, in a less (equipment) tutor intense build, I like the redundancy as it increases my draw %. Coupled together with the Puresteel Paladin can get it's Equip cost down as well. You have Enlightened Tutor, but with no (creature) tutorable Stonehewer Giant or Stoneforge Mystic, I would run the redundancy since the Trample and Lifelink are both key to your success with Infect.
Taj-Nar Swordsmith is also not a terrible Equipment tutor in a budget scenario. I don't like his CMC but, he is a (Creature) tutorable, and gives an (Equipment) tutor for the Infect Grafted Exoskeleton. Depends how your finding your games going if he is relevant. If others are combo'ing on Turn3-Turn5 he wont have any impact.
Skullclamp is a nice way to avoid creature removal heavy decks, like , can turn your 1 creature that has been Go for the Throat into Card Advantage. It also allows you to turn tokens into Card Advantage, and it's a CMC1 Artifact for Puresteel Paladin Metalcraft and Draw.
If you don't have a budgetary restriction on decks, Lands is definitely where you'll get consistency, things like Temple Garden are pricey, but very good because they are searchable as Forest and Plains and enable other lands like Sunpetal Grove as an example.
Lifecrafter's Bestiary is also a decent budget Selesnya () card. I don't like its CMC3 cost, and it requires to activate, plus this isn't a creature deck. The Scry 1 combined with the Draw, can be effective though.
I use Chord of Calling for my Felidar Sovereign and Archangel of Thune/Spike Feeder combo. It's fairly pricey, but if you have it already, I would run it! You can still use it to pull any other creature, like Lost Leonin too, but usually later in the game they are less effective, than the early tutor/double-strike like Worldly Tutor.
Krosan Vorine is in your mainboard, my mistake. Take him off your Maybeboard.
Fortified Village is still fairly inexpensive, I believe. Good for consistency.
Path to Exile is a little pricey, but it doubles as an Emergency tutor, and it's Exile so VERY powerful.
Rhonas the Indomitable I've found is an awesome tempo guy, ANY cat means that he can Attack, and is indestructible, and is Deathtouch, and can add Trample (or multi-pump an Infect/Trample Cat to win).
Sylvan Library is ridiculously expensive, however, If you aren't under budget constraints, and you can trade for one, it's the BEST card advantage you have in the arsenal.
I'm not a huge fan of Divine Reckoning, it's not going to get rid of the creature that is the REAL problem. It's only Destroy as well. I think, the creature that anyone else keeps is usually better than the creature you keep, except perhaps in an early Lost Leonin or something case.
I also really dislike Hunter's Prowess. If it was Instant, I could deal with it. It's just setting you up for a 2 for 1 situation. Sorcery Cast Hunter's Prowess onto a creature, creature is removed in response with a Swords to Plowshares. You lose #1 The creature (and the offense) #2 Hunter's Prowess is countered. Plus it's CMC5 is really high, He can enable a double-strike or Infect guy for sure, but too high CMC, and too risky for me. Something like Hunter's Insight I'll take the risk on because I know what Blockers look like, and I cast it JUST before the damage assignment step, so yes, he could still be removed in response, but usually at that point they've accepted/arranged the damage and now I get the draw. Personal preference. If it was an Enchantment as well, I would also be ok with it, as a Sorcery, no thanks. That beings said, if you do connect with it, very nice +3 and Trample and Draw, but why CMC5.
I like the Life's Legacy at CMC2. I've added to my Maybeboard, I think it needs to go into my deck as well. Eminence a Cat, Attack with Cat, Sacrifice Cat (As part of the cost, so no way to remove the creature in response to counter the spell), also no targeting. It's pretty good, CMC2 for 4+ card advantage. I like it. Without a creature it's not that great, but hopefully, have a Token cat or something to use. Excellent budget card.
Not the biggest fan of Myriad Landscape. i could live with it if it didn't enter the battlefield tapped. Because it enters tapped, it's going to hinder me more times that it's ramp will help me.
Oreskos Explorer is good, but I don't like that he is and only pulls more , and is conditional on ETB without Flash. I think he can, in multi-player pods, potentially pull you some Plains, but later in the game unless you're playing other ramp, you'll have more lands that everyone. Everyone else just using Mana Crypt and the sort to ramp without . I don't like that he doesn't mana fix and is useless late game. I wouldn't run him.
Rishkar's Expertise is also too high CMC and too conditional for my liking. To properly utilize it, I need 1) CMC6, 2) A decent size creature with Eminence 3) That creature in 2 isn't removed in response (I know it doesn't target, but if i have a 6/6 (eminence) and a 1/1 lifelink token, if they remove the 6/6 in response, I only draw 1 even though the spell isn't countered) 4) I have or draw into a card that is CMC5 that makes sense to cast right now. If any of these things aren't there, it's a dead draw to me.
Stalking Leonin is ok, he's 3/3 for CMC3. The selection process feels bizarre/strange/uncomfortable to me. His ability is an activated ability "reveal the player", so if he dies, then all you've gotten is a 3/3 for CMC3. He can only exile a creature that "attacking you", so he can't protect planeswalkers, and he can only remove attacking creatures. The creatures you really want to exile RARELY attack. I would rather have a different creature that provide immediate ETB or Static ability that is not conditional. But that's just me, not a fan of him, which I originally thought I would be when I saw him in the Spoilers.
I love Terminus one of my favorite cards. In Selesnya () there's no efficient way to put it back ontop of the deck, so it's Miracle is going to be a little hit and miss randomness, but it's still good. Gets around hexproof, shroud, indestructible, etc.
Did you get a Vivien Reid in your pre-release play? He doesn't really synergize with Arahbo, Roar of the World.1) His CMC5 is quite high for a planeswalker 2) It's not a creature heavy/win-con based deck, so he's not going to consistently draw a card for his +1, unless you put some Scry mechanics in the deck (please don't) 3) Unless you need more destroy Artifact/Enchantment/Flying in your pod, CMC5 is way to much for that. 4) even if you destroy for CMC5, then +1 (no draw), then Destroy again, it's so much CMC and so many turns, too kludgy. 5) Not being a creature win-con heavy deck, the ultimate doesn't direclty represent a win-con for you, it's good, but not a win-con level ultimate. I would make better arguments for CMC6 Ajani Unyielding or CMC4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant or CMC4 Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants.
Some others have argued to me that Felidar Cub is a good tempo guy, who "locks down" opponents from casting powerful enchantments until they can deal with him, in that analysis he is good because he's preventing casts. I tried him, I haven't seen enough, I prefer guys like Leonin Relic-Warder that offer solutions without having to die, but thought I would mention him anyway.
Revoke Existence is not bad, with it was Instant speed. I'm not sure you want to be the one controlling Artifact/Enchantment. CMC2 for Exile and Modularity is good though, can't argue to take it out, just not sure what Artifact/Enchantment you're worried about that will change/disrupt your plans?
The deck looks pretty solid, I'd be surprised if you weren't Turn 3/4 Infect killing with a Lost Leonin + Eminence + Ajani, Caller of the Pride/Berserk/Silverblade Paladin/etc. at least once in a while?? or pulling a Triumph of the Hordes and Trample/Infect killing.
Always tutor Lost Leonin if they don't have an immediate response he is a win-con with Eminence. I've killed with him without doublestrike quite often, just having 2 connected hits. Cast a blocker, I'll gladly Swords to Plowshares + Eminence hit you a couple turns.
How has the deck been going, you must be having some success? Arahbo, Roar of the World is a Tier 4 commander, and with an Under $200 deck, I'm sure your not competing consistenly vs. Tier 1 commanders like Kess, Dissident Mage or Zur the Enchanter or anything, but on occasion (because of the early creature tutor for Lost Leonin and the concentration of Double-strike enables, you MUST be contacting.)
I just did some very quick (5 games) testing, Turn 7 was the worst for lethal damage, Turn 4 the best. It's not bad for a under $200 commander. Takes time to learn how to play it, tutor. Like Congregation at Dawn is Lost Leonin/Silverblade Paladin so you can infect + eminence + doublestrike in 2 turns (as an example).
Just some of my opinions anyway! Very nice build, +1. Cheers.
3 months ago
+1 for Mono-White Goodstuff!